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KenDckey -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/18/2015 6:39:26 PM)
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/371651-juan-williams-fox-news-gets-hammered-making-comment-military-recruiters/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Politics Juan Williams of Fox wants them to stay disarmed. Idiot. Maybe we should make the cops leave their weapons lying on the curb when they respond to a shooting there too. Idiot

Kirata -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/18/2015 6:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Gov. Fallin authorizes officials to arm full-time military personnel at certain facilities OKLAHOMA CITY – In response to the attack on Marines in Tennessee, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized Oklahoma military officials to arm full-time personnel at facilities similar to the ones that were attacked on Thursday... “Four unarmed Marines were killed in what appears to be a domestic terrorist attack,” Gov. Fallin said. “It is painful enough when we lose members of our armed forces when they are sent in harm’s way, but it is unfathomable that they should be vulnerable for attack in our own communities" ...The personnel may be armed with weapons that “adequately provide for security of the facilities and their occupants.” Those facilities include military recruiting offices. More to follow, one may hope. Update: Gov. Rick Scott has issued executive orders requiring Florida Major General Michael Calhoun to take three immediate actions, which include assuring that all qualified full-time guardsmen are adequately armed for their personal protection. K.

KenDckey -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/18/2015 7:59:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Now military recruiters are being encouraged to wear civilian clothes while on duty. I finally found a good reference for you http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/07/18/marine-recruiters-told-not--wear-uniforms-offices-closed/30353587/ doesn't make it right in my opinion

Kirata -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/18/2015 8:02:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Probably a terrorist act, but it seems the media is being careful not to say so just yet. Yes, it's a mystery to be sure. Police have said his motives are still being investigated... Reuters says it has seen a text sent the night before to a friend linking to a passage of Islamic text - Hadith 38 - containing the verse: "Whosoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, I will indeed declare war against him...." Other friends also told Reuters that Abdulazeez spoke of his anger about conflicts in the Middle East, including Israeli bombing campaigns in Gaza and the civil war in Syria, after returning from a trip to Jordan last year. "He had always talked about it, but I'd say his level of understanding and awareness really rose after he came back," said one of the friends interviewed. "It would be premature to speculate on exactly why the shooter did what he did," FBI agent Ed Reinhold said. I hope they can figure it out. Source: BBC K.

JVoV -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/18/2015 8:07:32 PM)
No, not right at all.

MercTech -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/19/2015 6:23:43 AM)
I get a giggle thinking what the rules of engagement would be for a recruiting station.

KenDckey -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/19/2015 7:07:50 AM)
LOL Merc You mean bend over kiss ass goodbye LO

MercTech -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/19/2015 8:49:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey LOL Merc You mean bend over kiss ass goodbye LO Effectively it would be. I remember signing the standing orders on lethal force every time I drew a weapon for a detail. (usually weapon and ammo transport to the range) Lethal force is authorized: > To prevent the escape of a known felon. > To prevent damage to property of the United States that could compromise mission capability. > To prevent actions or entry where actions could compromise the safety of the United States. > When actions are taken that make you fear for your life or the lives of shipmates. > When ordered to do so by lawful orders by competent authority. Instead of arming recruiters; how about an armed guard in Class A's/Dress Bues outside the recruiting station? Shoot, a little spit and polish dress uniform out in public might increase the volunteer rate. Heck, do the circus bit and have some fancy rifle drill on the hour. <grin>

Sanity -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/19/2015 4:03:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Probably a terrorist act, but it seems the media is being careful not to say so just yet. Yes, it's a mystery to be sure. Police have said his motives are still being investigated... Reuters says it has seen a text sent the night before to a friend linking to a passage of Islamic text - Hadith 38 - containing the verse: "Whosoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, I will indeed declare war against him...." Other friends also told Reuters that Abdulazeez spoke of his anger about conflicts in the Middle East, including Israeli bombing campaigns in Gaza and the civil war in Syria, after returning from a trip to Jordan last year. "He had always talked about it, but I'd say his level of understanding and awareness really rose after he came back," said one of the friends interviewed. "It would be premature to speculate on exactly why the shooter did what he did," FBI agent Ed Reinhold said. I hope they can figure it out. Source: BBC K. They have it figured out. With a view to the upper chain of command though, speaking frankly about such things wouldnt be wise

Kirata -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/19/2015 4:12:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Probably a terrorist act, but it seems the media is being careful not to say so just yet. Yes, it's a mystery to be sure. Police have said his motives are still being investigated... Reuters says it has seen a text sent the night before to a friend linking to a passage of Islamic text - Hadith 38 - containing the verse: "Whosoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, I will indeed declare war against him...." Other friends also told Reuters that Abdulazeez spoke of his anger about conflicts in the Middle East, including Israeli bombing campaigns in Gaza and the civil war in Syria, after returning from a trip to Jordan last year. "He had always talked about it, but I'd say his level of understanding and awareness really rose after he came back," said one of the friends interviewed. "It would be premature to speculate on exactly why the shooter did what he did," FBI agent Ed Reinhold said. I hope they can figure it out. Source: BBC They have it figured out. With a view to the upper chain of command though, speaking frankly about such things wouldnt be wise Well in my defense, when I composed that post I intended it to seen as dripping with sarcasm. [:)] K.

Sanity -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 1:43:21 PM)
FR First, quote: US FLAGS at State Capitols and US Capitol at Half-Mast But White House Still at Full Mast Then quote: Donald Trump orders flags to half-staff on his properties And later, quote: President Obama has ordered flags at the White House and other public buildings to fly at half-staff after mounting criticism over the delay in honoring five armed forces members killed last week by (an Islamist).

mnottertail -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 2:06:19 PM)
So, what does that mean? How many days were flags at half staff for each soldier killed in Ws lying invasion of Iraq?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 3:27:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD More bad news. And some good news... Gov. Fallin authorizes officials to arm full-time military personnel at certain facilities OKLAHOMA CITY – In response to the attack on Marines in Tennessee, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized Oklahoma military officials to arm full-time personnel at facilities similar to the ones that were attacked on Thursday... “Four unarmed Marines were killed in what appears to be a domestic terrorist attack,” Gov. Fallin said. “It is painful enough when we lose members of our armed forces when they are sent in harm’s way, but it is unfathomable that they should be vulnerable for attack in our own communities" ...The personnel may be armed with weapons that “adequately provide for security of the facilities and their occupants.” Those facilities include military recruiting offices. More to follow, one may hope. K. Wasn't this a "drive-by" shooting? How would those soldiers being armed have helped? I don't like knee-jerk reactions, even when it's a jerk in the direction I support. I support the military being armed. I just don't want to see this action as being the something in the "we have to do something" scenario. We do not have to do something. We should have done something long ago, but, let's not kid ourselves. A drive-by shooting isn't going to be prevented by a soldier carrying a gun at his side.

Lucylastic -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 3:37:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Wasn't this a "drive-by" shooting? How would those soldiers being armed have helped? I don't like knee-jerk reactions, even when it's a jerk in the direction I support. I support the military being armed. I just don't want to see this action as being the something in the "we have to do something" scenario. We do not have to do something. We should have done something long ago, but, let's not kid ourselves. A drive-by shooting isn't going to be prevented by a soldier carrying a gun at his side. most excellent posting

KenDckey -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 3:51:35 PM)
quote: 4 U.S. Code § 10 - Modification of rules and customs by President Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation. Ut oh Obama invoked God in he proclamation. He is gonna be in trouble LOL https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/21/presidential-proclamation-honoring-victims-tragedy-chattanooga-tennessee

Lucylastic -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 3:58:30 PM)
why is he gonna be in trouble?

KenDckey -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 4:11:12 PM)
I figure those people that want seperation of church and state will get involved since he made the presidential proclamation and it invokes God.

Lucylastic -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 4:24:09 PM)
he gets in trouble if he doesnt he gets in trouble if he does... i still say god save the queen...in english and french.....at home and in canada.... separation of church and state is , in my opinion, more aligned with religion trying to make sure we all live by religious dogma and rules, including other religions and non believers...when the constitution says otherwise

Politesub53 -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 4:27:22 PM)
A bit late to say God Save the Queen in French eh Lucy. Chip chop, chip chop [;)]

kdsub -> RE: 4 Marines killed in Tennesee (7/21/2015 4:49:18 PM)
I don't see where this needs to be another gun rights issue. It has nothing to do with personal rights and should not. This is a common sense law enforcement issue. There have always been armed military in the U.S. such as guarding armories. As needs arise they need to be addressed without hysteria. For now it would be prudent to have armed military police at recruiting areas and anywhere else our servicemen could be vulnerable. We sure as hell don't need to be arming our national guards as they are demanding in Missouri...More the sky is falling out state republican foolishness. Butch

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