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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
everyone says NAfta is a clinton deal, it wasnt
HW was the signee on that piece of crap
It was brought into law by Clinton cos he was the next pres...oh he may have thought it was for the best at the time, but that isnt the point.
The transparency wasnt there
what utter bollocks you post
LMMFAO!!!
Okay, okay, okay. Lemme get this straight.
1. NAFTA isn't a Clinton deal because it was made under Bush 41.
2. Clinton signed it into law, simply because he was the next President after Bush 41.
3. Bush 41 DID negotiate the deal and sign it, after which it had to be ratified by Congress.
4. The HoR's passed it 234-200 (more Democrats voted against it than for it (156-102))
5. The Senate passed it 61-38 (the Democrats were almost evenly split, 27-26 FOR)
6. In case you didn't do the maths, both chambers of Congress were under Democrat leadership.
7. Bill Clinton signed it into law.
But, it's not his deal? It's not his deal, even though there were other negotiations during the ratification process (it took about a year from when HW signed the bill (Clinton had already been elected by December 1992), to when Clinton signed it. You even acknowledge he "may have thought it was for the best" at the time, but that has nothing to do with it?!?
Perhaps we can look to what Former President Clinton said? We certainly can!
Just a portion of the speech:
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This whole issue turned out to be a defining moment for our Nation. I spoke with one of the folks who was in the reception just a few moments ago who told me that he was in China watching the vote on international television when it was taken. And be said you would have had to be there to understand how important this was to the rest of the world, not because of the terms of NAFTA, which basically is a trade agreement between the United States, Mexico, and Canada, but because it became a symbolic struggle for the spirit of our country and for how we would approach this very difficult and rapidly changing world dealing with our own considerable challenges here at home.
I believe we have made a decision now that will permit us to create an economic order in the world that will promote more growth, more equality, better preservation of the environment, and a greater possibility of world peace. We are on the verge of a global economic expansion that is sparked by the fact that the United States lit this critical moment decided that we would compete, not retreat.
In a few moments, I will sign the North American free trade act into law. NAFTA will tear clown trade barriers between our three nations. It will create the world's largest trade zone and create 200,000 jobs in this country by 1995 alone. The environmental and labor side agreements negotiated by our administration will make this agreement a force for social progress as well as economic growth. Already the confidence we've displayed by ratifying NAFTA has begun to bear fruit. We are now making real progress toward a worldwide trade agreement so significant that it could make the material gains of NAFTA for our country look small by comparison.
Apparently, Clinton was a supporter of NAFTA. Even though the vast majority of the negotiations were done under President HW Bush's Administration, President Clinton had little trouble signing it into law, after Democrat leadership in the HoR and the Senate both passed it.
Cognitive dissonance is the only thing that can explain your viewpoint, Lucy. It's simply that amazingly odd.
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