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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/22/2015 9:25:27 PM   
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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/22/2015 9:51:50 PM   
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No.im looking at it from the canadian angle DS.
Did you pick up a new buzzword darling? Do you know what it means or are you getting hints?
I know the damn facts, Sadly 99 % of your low information voters dont think bush was involved at all, just blame the dem...
Just like the first people to use blame clinton for passing the dod rule that took guns out of the hand of the civvy military, after chatanooga, when it was Hw. Lying idiot people again.


Oh, poor babies don't have a clue? I guess you just characterized the vast majority of US voters.

Belief 1: NAFTA wasn't Clinton's bill, even though he signed it into law.
    Technically, HW's Administration did the negotiating with Canada and Mexico, and HW signed the agreement, setting the stage for Congress to ratify and then for it to be signed into law. HW signed it 12/17/1992. Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress for HW's last 2 years, and the first 2 years of Clinton's Presidency. So, it's not like they couldn't derail the agreement, if they wanted to. Clinton bears some responsibility for NAFTA. He had the ultimate power to veto it, and there wasn't enough votes to over-ride.


Belief 2: President Clinton may have thought NAFTA was the best at the time.
    Not only did he think it was the right thing to do, he even decided, with his VP candidate Al Gore, that they should support it.
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      I also can't help but note that in spite of all the rest of our efforts, there was that magic moment on Larry King, which made a lot of difference. And I thank the Vice President for that and for so much else. In the campaign, when we decided to come out for NAFTA, he was a strong supporter of that position in our personal meetings, long before we knew whether we would even be here or not.


So, yes, Bill Clinton was "for" NAFTA, and he didn't prevent it from taking effect. It's his baby, too. Deal with it.

Yes, NAFTA was Clinton's deal as well as congress as he was 'told' to support it and over dem opposition. Same with signing the repubs rev. of Glass-Steagall.

Same with Obama not going after wall street, Glass-Steagall and the continuing policy of too big to fail or...heads they win...tails, we lose. It's 'their' country and has been since the Fed.

As I've been trying to tell you all here, presidents do what they need to do...to stay alive.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 9:23:40 AM   
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AND AGAIN
I SAID
It was brought into law by Clinton cos he was the next pres...oh he may have thought it was for the best at the time, but that isnt the point.
The transparency wasnt there.

Its got FUCK all with preventing it..liking it or fighting for it. its to do with the fact that there WAS NO transparency to the public.
get over yourself.


Did Bush campaign as the anti-Bush though, as the Hope-And-Change presidential candidate? Change you can believe in, most transparent ever, will never EVER Gruber you blah blah blah

I dont think so

blah blahblah indeed.
no he just went apeshit into a war lying his fucking arse off



Kinkroids, kinkroids, kinkroids... Everybodys' doing it!!!


I was being entirely facetious

The lie, of course, is the leftist propaganda against a war that was UN approved, Democrat approved, and even Democrat funded. Democrats such as Bill and Hillary Clinton gave long speeches railing against Saddam Hussein, and the need to topple him. Obama and Biden both bragged about how well things were working out for the Iraqis people (before their policies fucked everything we had fought so hard for)

Everybody doesnt do it. George W. is a good, honest, decent man, more than he is a politician. He has been badly slimed, to be sure... But the lies he is accused of etc are never proven

It has been proven that Obama, on the other hand... Mr. Hope, Change, and Transparency... Is just another typical lowly leftist Gruber pandering to the low information crowd

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 9:44:11 AM   
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Yeah, lemme see those speeches. When your president knowingly lies to you about intel.............who you gonna believe?



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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 9:48:47 AM   
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

Here is the timeline of rightwing hysteria and lies.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 10:57:12 AM   
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The lie, of course, is the leftist propaganda against a war that was UN approved,


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."

He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."

Mr Annan has until now kept a tactful silence and his intervention at this point undermines the argument pushed by Tony Blair that the war was legitimised by security council resolutions.

Mr Annan also questioned whether it will be feasible on security grounds to go ahead with the first planned election in Iraq scheduled for January. "You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now," he said.

His remarks come amid a marked deterioration of the situation on the ground, an upsurge of violence that has claimed 200 lives in four days and raised questions over the ability of the interim Iraqi government and the US-led coalition to maintain control over the country.

They also come as Mr Blair is trying to put the controversy over the war behind him in the run-up to the conference season, a new parliamentary term and next year's probable general election.

The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal".

No immediate comment was available from the White House late last night, but American officials have defended the war as an act of self-defence, allowed under the UN charter, in view of Saddam Hussein's supposed plans to build weapons of mass destruction.


and from Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War
While Canada had previously participated in military action against Iraq in the Gulf War of 1991, it refused to declare war against Iraq without United Nations approval. Even so, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien said on 10 October 2002 that Canada would, in fact, be part of a military coalition to invade Iraq if it were sanctioned by the United Nations. However, when the United States and the United Kingdom subsequently withdrew their diplomatic efforts to gain that UN sanction, Jean Chrétien announced in Parliament on 17 March 2003 that Canada would not participate in the pending invasion. Nevertheless, he offered the US and its soldiers his moral support.<snipo
The Prime Minister of Canada at the time, Jean Chrétien, advised Governor General Adrienne Clarkson not to have Canada "join with the so-called Coalition of the willing" that was central to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. This position was consistent with that which the Prime Minister had earlier expressed before the 19 March 2003 invasion of Iraq; namely, that "Canada was unlikely to join an invasion without explicit support from the United Nations." The decision by the United Nations (UN) on whether or not to sanction the invasion rested on two elements: a discussion of international law, including the Nuremberg Principles on preemptive war; and the UN inspections for Iraq's alleged possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/19/canada-iraq-war_n_2902305.html
It was March 17, 2003, less than nine months before he would resign as one of Canada’s most successful prime ministers, when Chrétien stood up in the House of Commons and stated: “If military action proceeds without a new resolution of the [United Nations] Security Council, Canada will not participate.”


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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 11:53:02 AM   
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snipped

The lie, of course, is the leftist propaganda against a war that was UN approved,


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."

He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."

Mr Annan has until now kept a tactful silence and his intervention at this point undermines the argument pushed by Tony Blair that the war was legitimised by security council resolutions.

Mr Annan also questioned whether it will be feasible on security grounds to go ahead with the first planned election in Iraq scheduled for January. "You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now," he said.

His remarks come amid a marked deterioration of the situation on the ground, an upsurge of violence that has claimed 200 lives in four days and raised questions over the ability of the interim Iraqi government and the US-led coalition to maintain control over the country.

They also come as Mr Blair is trying to put the controversy over the war behind him in the run-up to the conference season, a new parliamentary term and next year's probable general election.

The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal".

No immediate comment was available from the White House late last night, but American officials have defended the war as an act of self-defence, allowed under the UN charter, in view of Saddam Hussein's supposed plans to build weapons of mass destruction.


and from Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War
While Canada had previously participated in military action against Iraq in the Gulf War of 1991, it refused to declare war against Iraq without United Nations approval. Even so, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien said on 10 October 2002 that Canada would, in fact, be part of a military coalition to invade Iraq if it were sanctioned by the United Nations. However, when the United States and the United Kingdom subsequently withdrew their diplomatic efforts to gain that UN sanction, Jean Chrétien announced in Parliament on 17 March 2003 that Canada would not participate in the pending invasion. Nevertheless, he offered the US and its soldiers his moral support.<snipo
The Prime Minister of Canada at the time, Jean Chrétien, advised Governor General Adrienne Clarkson not to have Canada "join with the so-called Coalition of the willing" that was central to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. This position was consistent with that which the Prime Minister had earlier expressed before the 19 March 2003 invasion of Iraq; namely, that "Canada was unlikely to join an invasion without explicit support from the United Nations." The decision by the United Nations (UN) on whether or not to sanction the invasion rested on two elements: a discussion of international law, including the Nuremberg Principles on preemptive war; and the UN inspections for Iraq's alleged possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/19/canada-iraq-war_n_2902305.html
It was March 17, 2003, less than nine months before he would resign as one of Canada’s most successful prime ministers, when Chrétien stood up in the House of Commons and stated: “If military action proceeds without a new resolution of the [United Nations] Security Council, Canada will not participate.”



"The war" was a continuation of Gulf War I, and W went in under the same premise that allowed Bill Clinton to bomb Iraq, the UN resolutions following Iraqs invasion of Kuwait

As well as Husseins' blatant cease fire agreement violations following that conflict

Never mind the 99% of Dems in Congress backing the action by vote at the time... Including Hillary



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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 12:23:53 PM   
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you said that the war was approved by the UN
It obviously DIDNT.
stop backpedalling

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 12:36:44 PM   
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"The war" was a continuation of Gulf War I, and W went in under the same premise that allowed Bill Clinton to bomb Iraq, the UN resolutions following Iraqs invasion of Kuwait

LOL!

You sure jumped the shark on that one.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 12:48:12 PM   
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im glad its not just me.....

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 12:48:52 PM   
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"The war" was a continuation of Gulf War I, and W went in under the same premise that allowed Bill Clinton to bomb Iraq, the UN resolutions following Iraqs invasion of Kuwait

As well as Husseins' blatant cease fire agreement violations following that conflict

Never mind the 99% of Dems in Congress backing the action by vote at the time... Including Hillary





Uh, no, the AUMF was not a continuation of any bombing by Clinton under wholly different auspices.

There were no cease fire agreement blatant violations.

The nation backed a president who turned out like all rightwing presidents to be a knowing and total liar bent on destroying America.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/



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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:25:01 PM   
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"The war" was a continuation of Gulf War I, and W went in under the same premise that allowed Bill Clinton to bomb Iraq, the UN resolutions following Iraqs invasion of Kuwait

LOL!

You sure jumped the shark on that one.


Despite your editing the fact remains:

Never mind the 99% of Dems in Congress backing the action by vote at the time... Including Hillary

The lesson here? Leftists cant always get away with rewriting history


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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:33:17 PM   
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And they didnt. The treasonous W knowingly lied to the American people and to the congress, no matter how much you try to rewrite history.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:41:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

"The war" was a continuation of Gulf War I, and W went in under the same premise that allowed Bill Clinton to bomb Iraq, the UN resolutions following Iraqs invasion of Kuwait

LOL!

You sure jumped the shark on that one.


Despite your editing the fact remains:

Never mind the 99% of Dems in Congress backing the action by vote at the time... Including Hillary

The lesson here? Leftists cant always get away with rewriting history


1) Hey Sparky--trimming quotes means not including the entire irrelevant post. No editing here--just your exact words to which I replied. Take a few minutes. You'll understand if you study a bit.

2) President Sanders

3) LOL! That's one hefty shark you've got there.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:42:15 PM   
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Hope and Change

Change you can believe in

Blah blah blah

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Judge slams State Department over Hillary Clinton-related records

A federal judge is lashing out at the State Department for delaying for years in providing responses to Associated Press Freedom of Information Act requests seeking records about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's schedules and her top staffers.

At a contentious hearing last week, U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon demanded explanations for why some of the AP's requests received no reply for four years or more before the wire service filed suit in March.

Leon said he was determined to establish "what has been going on in the State Department for four years dragging their feet, not addressing these issues for four years."

"I want to find out what's been going on over there. I should say, what's not been going on over there," the judge added. "The State Department, for reasons known only to itself ... has been, to say the least, recalcitrant in responding."

...

A lawyer for the AP, Jay Ward Brown, told Leon that the wire service was trying to find out what (Huma) Abedin did during her time as a "special government employee." ...

...Abedin is currently vice chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign.

...

Despite Leon's amazement at the four-year delay in the AP's FOIA requests to State, the wire service is not alone. A request POLITICO filed in November 2009 about State's approval process for former President Bill Clinton's paid speeches and business deals didn't produce any records until February 2014. The agency began to release records only after a conservative group, Judicial Watch, filed suit over a similar request.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-slams-state-department-over-hillary-clintonrelated-210878.html






Kinda fitting that a "transparency thread' comes around full circle to focus on Hillarys full throated backing of W's liberating Iraq, when leftists have been so apoplectic about the Iraq war

Seems like they might want to sweep that part of her voting record under the same rug that so much of Obamas history is kept under






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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:45:29 PM   
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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:46:48 PM   
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Speaking of socialist Sanders, the GOP dream candidate...

Bernie: Hillary's Iraq War Vote Is Fair Game

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:49:39 PM   
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If the GOP wants Sanders as the nominee, awesome. Let's get 'er done.

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 2:53:44 PM   
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If the GOP wants Sanders as the nominee, awesome. Let's get 'er done.


Much like, only racists oppose everything Obama wanted to do to the US, only a misogynist could oppose Hillary...

At least those are the standard leftist memes

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RE: The Most Transparant Administration Ever - 7/23/2015 4:19:00 PM   
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yeah wouldn't have anything to do with their politics

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