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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 8:46:27 PM   
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Not sure if this is really Anonymous or not, but I just found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F-MhNLyDo


Thanks for posting this, I did "read" the written version of this video online, I did not know there was also a you tube video.

I do think its hard for a woman almost 6 ft. tall to "hang" herself on that small partition, and no one heard it?
I don't believe this was a suicide, and I will NEVER believe it---UNTIL I see the video surrveillance tape of who came in and out of her room, the hours preceding her death.
Show me no-one came in, and I MIGHT believe it then!!

Where are the howdy doody tapes of who came in her room PRIOR to the incident?????

This video brings up point after point, and the group behind this video is on point!
*Why did she have on an orange jumpsuit?, "Who had the time to re-line the trashcan?*, "smoked or injested marijuana in jail?" wtf
point after point after point.
3 cheers for anonymous!

Where the HELL are the surrveillance tapes?????






the jailhouse tapes are useless, there is no running time stamp!

No time stamp they can (and do) edit it any way they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dPbccj4F0


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 8:58:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		RO, that video has been all over the news.

It does NOT show me the entrance to her cell, it shows me what was happening around the corner, AFTER the incident.

I think I said I want clear CONTINUOUS footage of what happened the HOUR preceding her death, with footage of the outside of HER cell, not what happened around the corner before and after she died.

I am not even sure why you posted this.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 9:08:51 PM   
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Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0



Transcript from the video you just posted


Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot

When you are arrested you are pictured m the clothes you are arrested in not in prison clothes

When they take your picture you are told not to tft your head or lean against the wall

There is a clear shadow with where her head touches the background most likely the floor

Her cell had tan walls and gray floors

Her head is on a gray [not not cement block] background

You can clearly see the gray floor in the first photo and in the right corner in the second photo

Her hair is falling towards the background

Gravity is puling her hair down because she is on the floor it is impossible to keep your shoulder straight like her right shoulder is while standng

It is likely that she was on the ground with her right arm outstretched when this picture was taken

When they take your picture, you are told to look directly at the camera

Her eyes are lifeless and unfocused

The police department claims she hung herself from a 5-foot platform when Sandra was around 6 feet tall

The photo of her cell has a trash can in it

Trash cans are not allowed m jail cells because they can not be bolted to the floor

Police claim the scene was not tampered with before the photo but the trash bag they claim she hung herself with has been replaced with a new one

Sandra told her sister on the phone that she thought her shoulder was broken

Someone with a broken shoulder can not lift their arm high enough to hang themselves

The dashcam footage from her arrest is clearly edited, as cars appear and disappear in the middle of the road

The officers knew they were wrong in arresting her

They knew she was going to take them to court

She was a strong-spirited activist

She did not go from being a fighter to being suicidal m a matter of days

The police fucking murdered her and their pathetic attempts at hiding it are not fooling anybody


I agree with who ever wrote the above.

Read my mind, once the sheriff seen that he said oh fuck and they murdered her.


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 9:09:13 PM   
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Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0



OMG this is too much
Was she dead and lying on the floor?
Why did she have on that freaking orange jumpsuit AND why don't we see any cinderblocks?
They better hurry up and find the "wall" she was behind.
What the hell WAS he throwing away?


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 9:15:06 PM   
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RO, that video has been all over the news.

It does NOT show me the entrance to her cell, it shows me what was happening around the corner, AFTER the incident.

I think I said I want clear CONTINUOUS footage of what happened the HOUR preceding her death, with footage of the outside of HER cell, not what happened around the corner before and after she died.

I am not even sure why you posted this.



would you buy OOPS?

My point, is there is NO time stamp on any of those jailhouse videos. I assure you that you will not, nor will any one else get the full footage since that has long been destroyed. I still remember the jerry kane shooting, same thing.

She was murdered, we all know it, just a matter of proving it.



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 9:37:48 PM   
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She was murdered, we all know it, just a matter of proving it.

Yeah, no. We don't know that.

Forensic Experts: Sandra Bland Mugshot Conspiracy ‘Ridiculous’

And from ABC News...

One of the women in the cell across from Sandra Bland says that she was "distraught" in the days before she was found dead. "She was crying and I could barely understand her, and I was like, ‘It'll be OK, don’t cry, it’ll be alright, you can’t be in here forever,’" fellow inmate Alexandra Pyle said of Bland to ABC station KTRK in Houston... "She seemed really distraught," Pyle said, "but I don’t know if I can say that was suicidal."

Pyle did, however, say that she was "positive" that Bland's death was a suicide because she believes the guards would not have hurt her. "I don't think the guards did anything," Pyle said. "I just know the guards here. They're good guards. They're strict when they need to be but they're good guards," Pyle said. "She wasn't causing a ruckus or anything, so I don't see why the guards would do anything to her. She was quiet."

"She said her bond was $5,000 and she said, ‘I’m not equipped for this kind of life. I don’t want to be here, I don’t deserve to be here, I didn’t do anything. It’s all messed up,'" Pyle said. Because Pyle and Bland were not in the same cell, Pyle was unable to say if she knew when Bland made any phone calls, but Bland reportedly told her about them and her struggle to post bond.

"She said she kept on trying to call this one person that she moved in [with] here because she said she was from Chicago and ... she was like, ‘It’s just not answering. It's going straight to voicemail and I don’t know why, I don’t know why. He said he'd be here in an hour and its days later,’" Pyle said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandra-bland-distraught-jail-fellow-inmate/story?id=32662328

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 10:02:04 PM   
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Ok I just checked, her mug shot in that video, [the one with her eyes open] has clearly been been photoshopped. (pretty poor job I might add)

The one people say is the original I cannot find any photoshop traces at all. Several are claiming that is a fake and apparently twitter is taking the 'original' down.

Photoshopped:



Cant find any editing flaws what so ever in this one:



K, yeh I know, going out a limb here, but a very small one imo.

nuff pi work for tonite



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 10:44:36 PM   
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She was murdered, we all know it, just a matter of proving it.

Yeah, no. We don't know that.

Forensic Experts: Sandra Bland Mugshot Conspiracy ‘Ridiculous’

And from ABC News...

One of the women in the cell across from Sandra Bland says that she was "distraught" in the days before she was found dead. "She was crying and I could barely understand her, and I was like, ‘It'll be OK, don’t cry, it’ll be alright, you can’t be in here forever,’" fellow inmate Alexandra Pyle said of Bland to ABC station KTRK in Houston... "She seemed really distraught," Pyle said, "but I don’t know if I can say that was suicidal."

Pyle did, however, say that she was "positive" that Bland's death was a suicide because she believes the guards would not have hurt her. "I don't think the guards did anything," Pyle said. "I just know the guards here. They're good guards. They're strict when they need to be but they're good guards," Pyle said. "She wasn't causing a ruckus or anything, so I don't see why the guards would do anything to her. She was quiet."

"She said her bond was $5,000 and she said, ‘I’m not equipped for this kind of life. I don’t want to be here, I don’t deserve to be here, I didn’t do anything. It’s all messed up,'" Pyle said. Because Pyle and Bland were not in the same cell, Pyle was unable to say if she knew when Bland made any phone calls, but Bland reportedly told her about them and her struggle to post bond.

"She said she kept on trying to call this one person that she moved in [with] here because she said she was from Chicago and ... she was like, ‘It’s just not answering. It's going straight to voicemail and I don’t know why, I don’t know why. He said he'd be here in an hour and its days later,’" Pyle said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandra-bland-distraught-jail-fellow-inmate/story?id=32662328

K.




So we conduct a trial

Was Pyle privy to and have a view of everything that went on? My bet is no.

“There’s nothing in the photo to indicate she’s dead,” says Dr. Adel Shaker, a board-certified anatomic and forensic pathologist with almost three decades of experience. “Period.”


From your link, a pathologist who is a photoshop expert? I can crop those 2 photos and prove its been edited, but then since there is no exif data in either so who knows maybe the eyes open photo is the real deal and someone fudged it by photoshopping it. Never know in these spy v spy propaganda psyops world we live in.

Then again it is possible to cover up photoshopping but its very painstaking.

The problem is that nothing and I do mean nothing adds up, especially that cop who has contradicted himself several times already.

We are supposed to believe that a woman 6ft tall can hang herself with a plastic bag in complete silence that Pyle who presumably could hear everything did hear anything?

Who is capable of hanging themselves choking to death with their hands and feet free? ie: [NOT restrained] and commit suicide by hanging successfully?

Did SB simply put her hands in her pockets while she was choking silently, no thrashing or kicking, not a sound? There are other things that happen to a person who is hung that are pretty gross and I would need to see a full set of forensic pics to better know.

If the information is correct how does a nearly 6ft woman hang herself from a 5 ft fixture?

How did she ingest marajuana?

Another problem is that if the pic with her eyes rolled back in her head is in fact the original, and from examining it I have no reason to believe that it is not, then we have another can of worms, in that there are no abrasions on her neck.

The boyfriend did he try to call her? Was he or her family interfered with in any way from contacting her? Her sister apparently told her something to the effect that they were getting the money together for her bond, so she would have known she would be released fairly soon.

This is far to convenient in a known racist/police brutality area and a sheriff fired for the same.




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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/26/2015 11:19:58 PM   
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One mystery that has bothered me is why none of the people she tried to reach after her arrest appear to have called her back or loaned her the $500 bond fee she needed. But NBC Chicago may have found a possible answer...

Sandra Bland - who was vocal on the issue of police encounters with African Americans in the months leading up to her death in a jail cell in Texas - had at least 10 encounters herself with police in both Illinois and Texas in past years...

And NBC5 Investigates has found that - at the time of her death last Friday - she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines...

March of 2013 - Bland was stopped in Crestwood Township while driving a 2013 Cadillac DeVille and received two citations - for speeding 21-25 mph above the limit, and for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She was fined $200, which - according to Cook County Court records - has not been paid.

November of 2013 - A report in a suburban newspaper says that Bland was arrested in Naperville; charged on a warrant, and transported to DuPage County Jail. The news report does not say what the warrant was for.

February of 2014 - Bland was stopped by Lombard Police and charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted in both charges and fined, but by May of 2014 court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines, and the judge ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified of her failure to pay.

March 3, 2014 - Naperville Police cited Bland for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due.

March 8, 2014 - Approximately five days after her stop in Naperville, Bland was stopped by police in Lombard and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of one DUI charge, and all the other charges were dismissed. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months - until November of 2014 - as a result of this DUI conviction.)

Five additional police encounters were discovered between 2010 and 2004.

Source

K.


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 1:00:15 AM   
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I don't know if this has been posted previously, but here's the full video of the stop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Sa8tY89eI

You'll see Bland roll through a stop sign, turn without signalling, and while it's not noted in the voice-over it looks like she was exceeding the 20mph speed limit given how far ahead of him she was after he made his turn. We also learn (at 16:00) that while resisting arrest she kicked him.

All in all, rather a different impression than the shorter excerpt gives.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 1:16:22 AM   
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Just as I originally suspected; the officer was okay until he reached in to grab her (in my opinion). Ms. Bland seemed pissed off/combative when the officer returned to the car and, as I've said, before: asking her to put out her cigarette was a reasonable request for his safety.

I feel bad that things escalated for this young lady to the point where she became suicidal but, when you go through life with a chip on your shoulder, the littlest things will tend to tick you off. She was upset at having to wait ... what? eight minutes ... while the officer verified her credentials. Life's tough.

ETA: They didn't Mirandize quickly enough (in my opinion).



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 1:40:11 AM   
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I feel bad that things escalated for this young lady to the point where she became suicidal but...

Well she sure didn't learn anything from her numerous previous stops. But apparently her friends and family did, or somebody would have gotten her out of jail. Tragic though it may be, it's hard even for professionals to help some people.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 6:07:27 AM   
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Just as I originally suspected; the officer was okay until he reached in to grab her (in my opinion). Ms. Bland seemed pissed off/combative when the officer returned to the car and, as I've said, before: asking her to put out her cigarette was a reasonable request for his safety.

I feel bad that things escalated for this young lady to the point where she became suicidal but, when you go through life with a chip on your shoulder, the littlest things will tend to tick you off. She was upset at having to wait ... what? eight minutes ... while the officer verified her credentials. Life's tough.

ETA: They didn't Mirandize quickly enough (in my opinion).



Michael



not until he told her what was going on. its procedural. Mirandize is procedural. Its the same thing as shooting first and asking questions later. LE simply can not do that legally.

In other words the accused was not yet accused of anything and until she was he lacked jurisdiction to act. (or better said his jurisdiction to act is not conclusive and very gray) It does not matter what else that she did, the charge was 'failure to signal a lane change' and that is the only matter that would be on trial.

I do not believe anyone was ever taken to jail for a failure to signal a lane change. A different charge is required to pull her out of her car for a search or to place her under arrest.

What probable cause did the officer have to escalate this to removing her from her vehicle?

You cant say Ma'am I'll get back to you after I figure something out for probable cause tomorrow.



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 6:21:18 AM   
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I don't know if this has been posted previously, but here's the full video of the stop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Sa8tY89eI

You'll see Bland roll through a stop sign, turn without signalling, and while it's not noted in the voice-over it looks like she was exceeding the 20mph speed limit given how far ahead of him she was after he made his turn. We also learn (at 16:00) that while resisting arrest she kicked him.

All in all, rather a different impression than the shorter excerpt gives.

K.






If the officer exceeded his jurisdiction which in my opinion he did when he failed to inform her of the actions he was about to take, she had no way to know if he was even a real cop. When a cop fails procedure on the level he has I would not blame her if she was questioning if he was even a cop. If proper procedure is not followed anything that occurred 'after' the point of failure is usually thrown out of court.

Which takes us back to what is the probable cause for his actions?

To simply state a cop can ask you to get out of your car for any reason is insufficient since other elements must exist to make it legal.

I did not see probable cause and as far as I am aware being mouthy or belligerent is not probable cause.

Once probable cause is established the picture changes.



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 7:29:27 AM   
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Ok I just checked, her mug shot in that video, [the one with her eyes open] has clearly been been photoshopped. (pretty poor job I might add)


May I ask how on such a low resolution picture you base your " clearly Photoshopped claim? What in your opinion are the tell tail signs of manipulation.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 7:34:32 AM   
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To simply state a cop can ask you to get out of your car for any reason is insufficient since other elements must exist to make it legal.

Yeah, no. The Supreme Court ruled in Pennsylvania v. Mimms that "once a motor vehicle has been lawfully detained for a traffic violation, the police officers may order the driver to get out of the vehicle without violating the Fourth Amendment’s proscription of unreasonable searches and seizures." Period.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 8:23:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual the media sensationalizes an incident for circulation without presenting all the facts. Then those with preconceived opinions decide to be judges based on half truths or no truth at all. When I first read of this incident I at first thought the arresting officer, if within his rights, unnecessarily escalated the tension and was very unprofessional. I still believe he was but as more information comes out his actions are more understandable.

So this incident is divided into two parts... the first was should she have been arrested... Yes because of her record...or at least it was not unreasonable to do so.

The second is... was she murdered by police? This is the part that is still open to judgement as information is gathered... None of us are close enough or privy to all the information to make that call... but it sure does not stop people from proclaiming they know for sure.

I'm for waiting until the investigation is complete.. But I have nothing against interested parties being sure the investigation is fair and comprehensive.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 8:34:16 AM   
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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 8:37:57 AM   
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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/27/2015 8:42:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you know if there was or was not a warrant? I don't.

Do you think it is with the rights of a police officer to have a combative suspect get out of the car?

But I am not arguing the right or wrong of the arrest only that it could be reasonable under the circumstances.

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