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mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 2:48:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So despite specious posts by lucy * mnotter, the discovery against clinton proceeds apace.

Interestingly today...

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Last week, the State Department signaled it did not plan to further oppose Judicial Watch's proposal to seek sworn testimony from former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin and information technology aide Bryan Pagliano. However, State asked for limits on what questions could be asked of those individuals and other, current State officials to the issue of why Clinton's server was set up in the first place. State is seeking to rule out queries about cybersecurity issues, the presence of classified information on the server and about Abedin's employment arrangement, which is the subject of the Freedom of Information Act request and suit brought by Judicial Watch.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/04/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch-221864#ixzz45gU6v4E0
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So Judicial Watch filed suit to have documents about Abedin's employement contract. Sullivan ruled they could proceed - and yet the Department of State is still trying to rule those questions out of bounds.

Also what security was employed on Clinton's server.

Gee - explain to me why the state department wants to hide information on what kind of security was employed on clinton's email server. What interest does the US government have in hiding that, precisely? How does it serve the US people?


Ja, geeze I guess you are right, I guess I dont recall the last time that the state department, or for that matter, any department in the federal government didnt just open up their books, their policies, their procedures, and give away their corporate panties on their security setup to any old nutsucker propaganda organ that went hysterical and stupidly talked into microphones.

And some judge said that a nutsucker political organization could go ahead and file FOIAs. Well, they filed em. Everybody met the terms of the order

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This has got to be a real first, good catch.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 2:57:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

And low and behold - Obama himself has now conceded that Clinton mishandled classified information.

From the hill: “There’s stuff that is really top-secret, top-secret, and there’s stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of State, that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open source,” Obama said.

The government does have different levels for the sensitivity of classified material, ranging from “confidential” to “top-secret.” But criminal charges for mishandling classified information are largely blind to the distinction.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/275887-obamas-classified-comments-strike-nerve



Lo, and behold, the stretch is beyond the bounds of the twister game. Its basically stuff that you could get in open source. In what language does that translate to mishandled classified information. I see nutsucker bizzaro translate English into nutsuckism dictionaries being updated all over the great red welfare states of our country.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 4:22:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

And low and behold - Obama himself has now conceded that Clinton mishandled classified information.

From the hill: “There’s stuff that is really top-secret, top-secret, and there’s stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of State, that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open source,” Obama said.

The government does have different levels for the sensitivity of classified material, ranging from “confidential” to “top-secret.” But criminal charges for mishandling classified information are largely blind to the distinction.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/275887-obamas-classified-comments-strike-nerve



Poor Hillary. Now, it's a vast left-wing conspiracy. So ... the Right doesn't like her and the Left doesn't like her. What's the common denominator?



Michael




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 4:30:36 AM)

The common denominator is that she will be president the next 8 years.




bounty44 -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 12:18:35 PM)

continuing the saga...

"Video: DNC Official Dodges Hillary Emails Scandal Questions, Attacks Trump Instead"

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The formula here is neither imaginative nor subtle -- ignore the question, pivot to Republicans, attack Trump. Watch as CNN's Jim Sciutto tries in vain to coax any semblance of an answer out of this DNC flack, who has clearly been trained like a seal to respond to any unhelpful question about the Democratic frontrunner with some variation of "but Trump"...

In fairness, Mr. Paustenbach's approach, while ham-fisted, may still have been superior to President Obama's choices in reacting to these sorts of inquiries. After sharing his preemptive judgment last year that Hillary Clinton hadn't broken any laws with her improper, national security-compromising email scheme, the White House was forced to walk back Obama's comments. He wasn't influencing an active investigation being conducted by an arm of the executive branch, we were assured. Then, when asked again about the controversy on Fox News Sunday, the president again delivered a verdict -- expressing confidence that Clinton was at worst guilty of a little carelessness, and sniffing that much of the material on her unsecure private server wasn't, you know, classified classified. Some points: (1) Notice how the Obama White House can be rather choosey indeed regarding which ongoing proceedings they will, or will not, wade into. Psychopath Kermit Gosnell's den of illegal abortions and murder? Can't comment. The FBI's apparently still-expanding criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton? Many comments. The aforementioned Free Beacon also noticed this unevenly-applied standard earlier this year:

(2) The act of setting up an rules-violating private email server was not "careless." It was deliberate. The continued use of said server (in addition to an unsanctioned blackberry) to conduct all personal and government business -- even after she was explicitly warned of the security threats such actions constituted -- was not "careless." It was deliberate. The numerous, evolving falsehoods purveyed after this scheme was revealed to the public were not "careless." They were deliberate. Carelessness would entail accidentally misfiring an email or two through the wrong system, not erecting an entire discrete system for the purpose of evading the rules, national security consequences be damned.

(3) One of the dumbest staples of Hillary's self-defense, parroted by Obama over the weekend, involves lamenting the scourge of "over-classification." The way the story goes, the US government goes way overboard when it comes to determining what information might need to be classified on some level, resulting in a problematic glut of "secret" information that really needn't be treated as such. There may be some merit to that argument, which, in turn, could conceivably apply to the majority of work-related emails discovered on Hillary's server (excluding the 30,000-plus "personal" messages she and her lawyers deleted with no oversight, some of which have been discovered to apply to her work after all) that were listed as "confidential," the lowest classification level. But we know that dozens of her emails were, in fact, classified at the levels of 'secret,' 'top secret' and even 'beyond top secret.' This fact exposes the over-classification protestations for what they are: Water-muddying red herrings. We've also heard that the nature of the highly sensitive information in question was the subject of intra-agency squabbles between the intelligence community and the State Department, wherein the former group thought material should be highly classified, while the latter organization disagreed. While this is irrelevant under the law, the State Department ended up concurring with the IC's Inspector General on at least 22 "top secret" emails, which Hillary's former agency decided were so sensitive that they couldn't even be released in redacted form. ("Too damaging" to national security). Some of the data was so secret that even the IG tasked with overseeing intelligence gathering needed special clearances just to view it. Hillary Clinton erased "over-classification" from the list of plausible justifications for her actions when she decided to eschew proper channels and conduct all of her business through unsecure means, thus indiscriminately placing highly secret information at risk.

(4) Because the White House is still regurgitating the "marked/stamped classified" line, let's repeat: Those emails weren't marked classified because they were passing through -- and in many cases, originating in -- Hillary's bootleg server. There were no formal markings because the system itself was off-the-books. Also, Mrs. Clinton signed a binding agreement to recognize and protect all classified information, "marked or unmarked," when she took the helm at State:

[theres a nice photo of the document on the site]

And the Obama-appointed nonpartisan intelligence community Inspector General has formally affirmed what other experts and officials have stated repeatedly: Intelligence that rises to the level of 'top secret' is unambiguously and patently "born classified." No markings required. And yet the mendacious spin never ceases.


another source sure to make the comrades apopletic




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 1:29:40 PM)

I love nutsucker tv its so fucking cretinous.

Still, no credible citations or ideas from nutsuckers since reagan and his administration.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 2:16:43 PM)

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/04/13/bush-cheney-panic-obama-set-release-embarrassing-911-classified-info/

Hillary email nutsuckerism is wore out.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/04/13/bush-cheney-panic-obama-set-release-embarrassing-911-classified-info/
But not to worry, we can find a job for those 147 FBI agents so they don't have to almost resign.

Oh, no my communist nutsucker friends, a leftwing truth serum for your slobberblogging and felching pleasure.




Phydeaux -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/13/2016 7:43:30 PM)

Occupy democrats is your news source? Not another word from you about blogs as a news source.

Do you not have the slightest shred that, in fact, bush and cheney are not panicking about the release of the info?
Do you have a single cite to the effect that they are?

Do you have a single creditable site that Obama is under rising pressure to declassify?

In other words - this is all, as usual, mendacious spin.




bounty44 -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 3:54:50 AM)

a couple things apart from his self serving and embarrassing double standard---one is a seeming inability to distinguish between blogs in terms of their quality, content, and therefore, veracity.

the other is, again, seemingly, his labeling (and subsequently dismissing in a juvenile fashion) established news/commentary sources that come from the libertarian, conservative or Christian perspective, as "blogs."

id put forth he'd make a good minister of propaganda in some free speech quashing regime.





mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 5:13:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Occupy democrats is your news source? Not another word from you about blogs as a news source.

Do you not have the slightest shred that, in fact, bush and cheney are not panicking about the release of the info?
Do you have a single cite to the effect that they are?

Do you have a single creditable site that Obama is under rising pressure to declassify?

In other words - this is all, as usual, mendacious spin.



Wait, hold on, of course they are panicking, I saw it in a blog. With no factual information. That is nutsucker standard of proof right there.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 5:23:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a couple things apart from his self serving and embarrassing double standard---one is a seeming inability to distinguish between blogs in terms of their quality, content, and therefore, veracity.

the other is, again, seemingly, his labeling (and subsequently dismissing in a juvenile fashion) established news/commentary sources that come from the libertarian, conservative or Christian perspective, as "blogs."

id put forth he'd make a good minister of propaganda in some free speech quashing regime.




Yeah, like the nutsucker slobber blogs, of high slobber quality, nutsuckers particularly those who are libertarian-nigerian, or claim they are conservative (they are not), or xtian (also not) have no right to a perspective that is propaganda, lies, factlessness and toiletlicking.

We cannot run this country on nutsucker slobber blogs, you wind up with nutsuckers in the legislature bent on destroying the country, or shit like St. Wrinklemeat and W and Hoover, and Nixon as presidents.

There is no quality to this asswipe. Do not confuse nutsuckers in all the nefarious guises they assume to hide their true unamerican shitbreathing with quality.

You certainly can comment on the quantity, as Lincoln said, there are knaves to vend, and fools to gulp...........and nutsuckers swim a shit river a mile wide and swallow a turd every stroke of this fucking factless propaganda.

Perspective? Factless toiletlicking is perspective? certainly an illusion of depth where it does not exist. A trick to fool good people. OK, true enough nutsuckers got that.




lovmuffin -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 7:29:02 AM)

A very well written and thought out indepth and insightful poo poo analysis [8D]




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 7:51:23 AM)

37 pages about hilary and emails.... links to nothing but right wing blogs, bullshit, and bile
but one occupy democrat link and their little heads explode, LMFAO
Of course the "28 pages" and the background is fact. They sure as hell dont want to revisit it, they want to bury it.
It was redacted, why?
If you think that benghazi and email gate is important, why not the biggest terrorist attack on american soil???





mnottertail -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 7:51:57 AM)

Thats right.




Nnanji -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 8:15:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a couple things apart from his self serving and embarrassing double standard---one is a seeming inability to distinguish between blogs in terms of their quality, content, and therefore, veracity.

the other is, again, seemingly, his labeling (and subsequently dismissing in a juvenile fashion) established news/commentary sources that come from the libertarian, conservative or Christian perspective, as "blogs."

id put forth he'd make a good minister of propaganda in some free speech quashing regime.




A"good" minister of propaganda?




lovmuffin -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 8:15:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

37 pages about hilary and emails.... links to nothing but right wing blogs, bullshit, and bile
but one occupy democrat link and their little heads explode, LMFAO
Of course the "28 pages" and the background is fact. They sure as hell dont want to revisit it, they want to bury it.
It was redacted, why?
If you think that benghazi and email gate is important, why not the biggest terrorist attack on american soil???



You could be right. I mean what difference at this point does it make ?




Nnanji -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 8:18:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a couple things apart from his self serving and embarrassing double standard---one is a seeming inability to distinguish between blogs in terms of their quality, content, and therefore, veracity.

the other is, again, seemingly, his labeling (and subsequently dismissing in a juvenile fashion) established news/commentary sources that come from the libertarian, conservative or Christian perspective, as "blogs."

id put forth he'd make a good minister of propaganda in some free speech quashing regime.




Yeah, like the nutsucker slobber blogs, of high slobber quality, nutsuckers particularly those who are libertarian-nigerian, or claim they are conservative (they are not), or xtian (also not) have no right to a perspective that is propaganda, lies, factlessness and toiletlicking.

We cannot run this country on nutsucker slobber blogs, you wind up with nutsuckers in the legislature bent on destroying the country, or shit like St. Wrinklemeat and W and Hoover, and Nixon as presidents.

There is no quality to this asswipe. Do not confuse nutsuckers in all the nefarious guises they assume to hide their true unamerican shitbreathing with quality.

You certainly can comment on the quantity, as Lincoln said, there are knaves to vend, and fools to gulp...........and nutsuckers swim a shit river a mile wide and swallow a turd every stroke of this fucking factless propaganda.

Perspective? Factless toiletlicking is perspective? certainly an illusion of depth where it does not exist. A trick to fool good people. OK, true enough nutsuckers got that.



Who is St. Wrinklemeat? Hillary? It'd be more like Bubba's Sec of State wouldn't it? Aldull.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 8:28:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

37 pages about hilary and emails.... links to nothing but right wing blogs, bullshit, and bile
but one occupy democrat link and their little heads explode, LMFAO
Of course the "28 pages" and the background is fact. They sure as hell dont want to revisit it, they want to bury it.
It was redacted, why?
If you think that benghazi and email gate is important, why not the biggest terrorist attack on american soil???



You could be right. I mean what difference at this point does it make ?

you dont have the grey matter to understand anything beyond your incessant stupidity




lovmuffin -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 8:40:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

37 pages about hilary and emails.... links to nothing but right wing blogs, bullshit, and bile
but one occupy democrat link and their little heads explode, LMFAO
Of course the "28 pages" and the background is fact. They sure as hell dont want to revisit it, they want to bury it.
It was redacted, why?
If you think that benghazi and email gate is important, why not the biggest terrorist attack on american soil???



You could be right. I mean what difference at this point does it make ?

you dont have the grey matter to understand anything beyond your incessant stupidity


Oh wise woman. Share with us your wisdom, she who is all knowing and the great authority on grey matter.




Phydeaux -> RE: Hillary Probed (4/14/2016 9:53:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

37 pages about hilary and emails.... links to nothing but right wing blogs, bullshit, and bile
but one occupy democrat link and their little heads explode, LMFAO
Of course the "28 pages" and the background is fact. They sure as hell dont want to revisit it, they want to bury it.
It was redacted, why?
If you think that benghazi and email gate is important, why not the biggest terrorist attack on american soil???





You act as if I *care* whether the 28 pages are declassified - when in fact I do not.
Its only members of the left that are foaming at the mouth one way or another speculating what the 28 pages contain.

Unlike you, I don't have a double standard - one for republicans, one for democrats. If the 28 pages contained damning evidence about Bush/Cheney I would hope it does get out. And I would hope it went to a fair impartial trial.

However, unlike you I'm not a conspiraticist. If the documents say what you salivate it does, I think some democrat somewhere would have leaked them before now.

I suspect that documents contain nothing damning nor indicting. I think it documents groups and individuals inside saudi arabia that helped fund the attacks. I think that releasing the information would be needlessly damning to Saudi's and damage US/Saudi relationship. So I suspect that it is not released, because, in fact it contains secret information about people, sources and methods - and nothing about Bush/Cheney.

In other words - I expect that the Obama administration is actually behaving responsibly, in the absence of any contrary evidence.




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