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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 12:07:44 PM   
bislutdave


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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 1:44:03 PM   
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He most certainly didn't have the right, and his buddies who lied for him are in the wrong as well. As far as I'm concerned they should be indicted along with him.

That would *really* send the proper message -- that killing someone b/c you had a bad day or got pissed off at them has consequences.



this is only the tip of the iceberg.

this runs through every part of gubmint, from the officer, to the municipal, county, state, federal and finally state and federal courts using their 'reasonable' legal theories to give themselves powers not granted in the constitution by narrow rulings under the 'label' of officer safety. [constitutional 'death' by a thousand cuts]

the inside of your automobile is your private space, this is easily understood when looking at protections noted by the courts. It carries your personal effects including your body. They always demand you step outside to get you on the 'public' turf.

yep the cop pulled out his weapon, blew his brains under threat of Dubose fleaing the stop. /sarcasm to the max



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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 1:51:00 PM   
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What is a university security officer doing trying to enforce a state ordnance? I have not seen the video...was he being dragged along when he shot?

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I think the article mentioned that they had an agreement with the local police that they could patrol the streets around the university. It's the same with the university police here. I'm not sure how it works in Cincinnati, but the university here is a state institution and the university police are not unlike state police (and have the same authority and training requirements as DPS). Legally, they can pull people over and cite them for violations outside of university property, although unless one is right on the periphery of the campus boundaries, it's not likely to happen.

It does seem kind of odd that he would be pulled over for not having a front license plate. We don't even have front license plates in Arizona; only rear plates.

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 2:05:14 PM   
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What is a university security officer doing trying to enforce a state ordnance? I have not seen the video...was he being dragged along when he shot?

Butch


I think the article mentioned that they had an agreement with the local police that they could patrol the streets around the university. It's the same with the university police here. I'm not sure how it works in Cincinnati, but the university here is a state institution and the university police are not unlike state police (and have the same authority and training requirements as DPS). Legally, they can pull people over and cite them for violations outside of university property, although unless one is right on the periphery of the campus boundaries, it's not likely to happen.

It does seem kind of odd that he would be pulled over for not having a front license plate. We don't even have front license plates in Arizona; only rear plates.

At the last college I went to they had their own PD responsible for enforcing all levels of law.
Not at all an unusual arrangement.

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 2:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bama we have a large junior college in my town with its own armed security police... but I am pretty sure they are not authorized to use deadly force on a traffic stop. I understand Zonie's explanation but I would bet he was not authorized to use deadly force on a traffic stop either. I could be wrong but if i am then police departments nation wide need to rethink a few things.

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 3:22:27 PM   
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Bama we have a large junior college in my town with its own armed security police... but I am pretty sure they are not authorized to use deadly force on a traffic stop. I understand Zonie's explanation but I would bet he was not authorized to use deadly force on a traffic stop either. I could be wrong but if i am then police departments nation wide need to rethink a few things.

Butch


Come on now, you know I didn't say that. No department allow their officers to shoot people over traffic offenses. The issue of jurisdiction is separate from the issue of excessive force. I was backing up Zonie who pointed out the jurisdiction point. Why did you reshape what I said rather than him?

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 4:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

It does seem kind of odd that he would be pulled over for not having a front license plate. We don't even have front license plates in Arizona; only rear plates.

Ohio requires identifying plates on both the front and rear of the vehicle. Routine stop.

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 6:28:01 PM   
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but hes been set a 1 million $ bond


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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:10:13 PM   
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except he was a university campus cop, outside of his jurisdiction.

a mutual-aid agreement, signed by interim city manager Scott Stiles in December 2013, allows UC officers and a host of other law enforcement agencies to work outside of their jurisdiction. UC launched the Block by Block Safety Ambassador program in the spring to patrol the nearby Short Vine and U Square districts near campus as part of an ongoing effort to reduce crime in the area. ~Source

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:13:31 PM   
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Reading (and I just saw you with the aiming thing scrolling by) and have not seen the movie or read the book, if nothing else I know from what I have understood based on your post is:

Negligent Homicide.
Reckless Homicide.

Yeah, that's where I'd go. The charge may change.

While Officer Tensing has been charged with murder, there has not yet been a legal determination that the case was murder. ~NY Times

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:14:01 PM   
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Mr. Rodgers, with the body cams and the video camera's in the squad car's, hopefully the number of these incidents will decline.

That is the point of having body cams and video camera's.
It protects everyone involved.

I dont know about the car cams but body cams can be turned off by the officer.. the officer in the Bland case also moved her out of the view of the car cam so while cams can help, some cops will learn how to reduce the amount of video proof of their actions.. But people are starting to put cams in their own cars to video any stops by the police, and the more that people do that, the better..

And Realone is right, its pretty hard to get a conviction.. there have been cases where imo the cops should have gone to jail for a long time but instead they were found not guilty & walked.. but if this guy is just a rent-a-cop he may not be as lucky as a real cop would be..

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:16:46 PM   
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since the spring, ....here we are july...not much time between the new rules...no wonder people are confused .


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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was just watching Public Television and they say another video has emerged showing that the officer was dragged and on the ground for a few seconds, all they showed however was a picture with the officer on his knees... but to me it makes no difference... Lack of a licence plate is just no reason to shoot someone. It seemed like he was holding on to be dragged, running along beside the window with his hand and arm in the car, and could have let go easily at any time. Otherwise he was in no immediate danger of being injured if he let go. If the driver were really trying to get away the officer could not run and hang on let alone shoot point blank in the head... it is a strange case.

Despite what the prosecuting attorney is saying I think when it goes to court, with an impartial jury, if they try to pin murder on him he will be acquitted. If the prosecutor is smart and goes for a lesser charge I believe it would stick.

Butch

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:46:15 PM   
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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:50:41 PM   
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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:54:39 PM   
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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:55:45 PM   
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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 7:59:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are welcome as always... but it is funny they would only show a picture of him on his knees and not the new video... oh well it will all come out soon.

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 8:03:13 PM   
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Lack of a licence plate is just no reason to shoot someone.

Aw c'mon, it's bad enough without making shit up. He wasn't shot for lacking a license plate.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Despite what the prosecuting attorney is saying I think when it goes to court, with an impartial jury, if they try to pin murder on him he will be acquitted. If the prosecutor is smart and goes for a lesser charge I believe it would stick.

Agreed (see here and here).

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RE: University of Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted - 7/30/2015 8:14:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea why he did not cooperate but if you were hanging on my car and I took off... you could not run along side... get your gun out... and shoot me in the head... I would yank you off your feet and accelerate beyond you ability to keep your feet ... something is just not right about this whole thing.

Butch

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