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What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?

Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it went to where it was most needed. The solution is to eliminate corruption in government.

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http://www.salon.com/2015/08/13/larry_wilmore_mocks_black_lives_matter_activists_at_sanders_rally_black_manners_matter_as_well/

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“Is this happening again? A candidate of passion is about to overtake Hilary?” he said. “She’s about to get Obama’d by an old white man.”

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http://www.salon.com/2015/08/13/larry_wilmore_mocks_black_lives_matter_activists_at_sanders_rally_black_manners_matter_as_well/

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St. Louis has half the population and as of July 13 there were 92 black murders...I am pretty sure we are well over a hundred today... This includes men women and children as young as 3.
Butch

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I lived a large portion of my life in New York City, and I can remember when some of the low-income housing projects went up. Brand spanking new, and a helluva lot nicer than the crumbling walk-up that I was living in. But it wasn't long before white people from Long Island and Westchester started coming into the city at night, painting gang signs on the buildings, tearing up the lawns, breaking-in to urinate in the hallways and stairwells. Wearing blackface, hoodies, and saggy pants they drove around vandalizing buildings, robbing, beating and killing people.

After a few years those neighborhoods looked like Beirut. And you're right that the government failed, but not for lack of trying. New York invested hundreds of millions of dollars in all kinds of programs trying to enrich the lives of the white people on Long Island and up in Westchester, virtually everything they could think of in an attempt to help them become productive citizens. But nothing seemed to work, and leading intellectuals like Farrakhan and Kambon began to argue that the only solution was to exterminate the white race. I dunno, what do you think?

What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Actually, apart from the destruction and the proposed solution, what I described is entirely fictitious, and either you're ignoring the point or you missed it completely.

K.

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No, I got the humor and satirical part, but unless I'm mistaken, your basic point was that government throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it. Was that what you were trying to say? If so, then I agree. If not, then maybe you can elaborate.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?

Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it went to where it was most needed. The solution is to eliminate corruption in government.

...by throwing more money at it.

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Or maybe what we need is change we can believe in.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?

Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it went to where it was most needed. The solution is to eliminate corruption in government.

...by throwing more money at it.

?

Or maybe what we need is change we can believe in.

Did I say that? What's needed are laws with greater teeth in them to deal with governmental corruption and abuses of power. I generally find that it's the conservatives who balk against any legislation to curb corruption, since conservatives benefit far more from governmental corruption than liberals do.

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No, I got the humor and satirical part, but unless I'm mistaken, your basic point was that government throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it. Was that what you were trying to say? If so, then I agree. If not, then maybe you can elaborate.

No problem here as long as the thought is not about the money but about the way it is used. Many, lets face it, Republicans do not want the money spent even if it would be effective at alleviating poverty and the problems associated with it.

If we want this problem solved it WILL take money, time, and involvement of both the community and government.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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What you're describing is a government failure, but not for the reasons you cite. The reason cities like New York fell apart and started looking like Beirut was because of excessive corruption and the very same police who were complicit with and turned the blind eye to mobsterism.

I suppose if people living in an area could plainly see that organized crime, the local business community, the local government, and the police were all stacked against them, leaving them no recourse or any other way to bring reform, then it shouldn't be too surprising to see them start to act a bit crazy and thuggish.

Until society eliminates all corruption and criminality at the top, it has no right to complain about corruption and criminality at the bottom.

Let me see if I am understanding you right

Spending unspeakable gobs of money, government tried to help. Only problem was that government got in the way, and fucked everything up.

So the obvious solution is higher taxes and more government.

That about sum things up?

Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it went to where it was most needed. The solution is to eliminate corruption in government.

...by throwing more money at it.

?

Or maybe what we need is change we can believe in.

Did I say that? What's needed are laws with greater teeth in them to deal with governmental corruption and abuses of power. I generally find that it's the conservatives who balk against any legislation to curb corruption, since conservatives benefit far more from governmental corruption than liberals do.

When did Hillary become a Republican, now back to the thread.

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urban renewal, social reform, education reform, healthcare reform, food stamps, public housing,

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urban renewal, social reform, education reform, healthcare reform, food stamps, public housing,

Zonie please point out which of the above have had the support of Republicans over the years... Let me help... NONE. You cannot run viable programs with half a government... this is the problem not the programs. If any or all of the above was supported...funded...maintained with the input of both parties the problems of today would be well on their way to being solved... in my opinion anyway.

Butch