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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/18/2015 10:32:18 AM   
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Why anyone trusts the government to competently handle dangerous materials is beyond me. Just wait til the Hanford Nuclear Site goes up. http://koin.com/2014/04/24/6-things-know-hanfords-nuclear-waste/


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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/18/2015 11:10:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bossman777

Why anyone trusts the government to competently handle dangerous materials is beyond me. Just wait til the Hanford Nuclear Site goes up. http://koin.com/2014/04/24/6-things-know-hanfords-nuclear-waste/


Will you do it?


Better question after that, do we trust him to do it.....correctly....?

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/18/2015 11:32:21 AM   
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Why anyone believes that businesses are trustworthy in their hazardous waste disposal, is way beyond me.

Businesses conform to legislation with government oversight. Some try to cut corners but get caught. Some are fined into bankruptcy when caught violating the rules.


Nice side-stepping of the question. What happens when regulations are removed? Some businesses stick to good, honest, business models to produce profits. Others side-step and cut corners that are often hazardous or dangerous (or both). All in an effort to produce profits. An often times, those companies run into the whole gambit of problems. We only hear of the ones that can not be ignored.

Like the recent chemical planet exploding in Texas. The one that should not have exploded if Gov. Rick Perry and Republicans has not removed regulations just a few short years earlier.

Or the oil rig that exploded off the coast of New Orleans a few years ago. That caught fire and the whole structure sunk. But not before rupturing a pipe sending enough oil as to be seen from the cost of Texas to the Florida Panhandle. Regulations were removed back in 2003-2005 that would have prevented the series of events from talking place.

When profit trumps good business sense, its fair idea to start logging all your actions that show you were not only against this, but were trying to keep things from sinking further. Because when the explosion takes place, being fired will be the least of your problems!

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The biggest offenders in improper waste disposal are government facilities. They can't seem to play by the rules that the civilian sector does. DOE didn't even have an official radiation protection program until 1995 and they were the people building nuclear weapons.


Cite a source here.

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Everywhere, and I mean EACH AND EVERY SITE, where the federal government has been involved in handling hazardous material (1989 and prior most certainly) has ended up on the RCRA and CIRCLA lists. Everywhere the federal government as worked with radioactive material is on the superfund cleanup list.


Go figure as that is part of the mandate of the EPA. When a business screws up its waste, the government has to step in, because we created laws that forces them to step in. That you try to blame the government for everything, while giving private citizens and businesses a pass on guilt. That says to me 'your not being objective'. 'Non-Objective' people are easy to spot. They are the ones pushing political agendas that do not make rational sense.

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The federal bureaucracy has proven over and over and over to be incompetent at directly managing any project requiring technical expertise or a project that could present a hazard to the public. Even contracting out to low bid contractors is better than allowing Washington Wankers to try and manage a project.


Funny how you flatly ignore when businesses creating problems the government has to solve. You hate the government and apparently will try anything and everything to undermine it. While at the same time ignoring the role businesses placed in the matter.

Its the businesses that created the problem in the first place. Funny how you ignore that. That you have problems that the government has to deal with someone else's fuck ups. Yet, do not feel the businesses, and the top people of who ran those businesses should be held accountible. Typical conservative 'government trashing' bullshit.....

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/20/2015 9:41:04 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/302132179938953/videos/520212608130908/?fref=nf

EPA provided tainted water. EPA said drink it anyway (more or less).

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/21/2015 4:59:07 AM   
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Seems the mine owner tried to keep EPA out of his mine before they breached the containment

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/20/mines-owner-i-tried-keep-out-epa-was-threatened/

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/21/2015 6:03:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Seems the mine owner tried to keep EPA out of his mine before they breached the containment

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/20/mines-owner-i-tried-keep-out-epa-was-threatened/


From the same article it seems that this mine owner has a history of polluting the earth.

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/21/2015 11:32:00 AM   
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tangeling with the EPA and history of polluting are 2 different things. that being said, it is possible.

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/21/2015 4:04:15 PM   
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With decades in the business I"m in; I've had to deal with the EPA several times. The EPA has plenty of theoretical scientists but very few with any engineering expertise. They let contracts to the lowest bidder with vague specifications then are surprised they get poor results.

Someone early in the thread mentioned the Hanford Site. That was DOE who had a collective habit of sticking fingers in the ears and going "Laaa-Laaa-Laa" whenever someone talked about environment. The Manhattan Project found a way to produce plutonium during WWII. They didn't significantly change how they did the process until Reagan's executive order shut down the facilities in 1989. The DOE didn't have an official radiation protection program with force of law until 1995.

One thing I've realized about government run facilities; they don't play by the same rules that the commercial sector is required to follow. And that can lead to some very bad things over time.

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 8/21/2015 4:28:47 PM   
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The very first sanitary landfill in the world is in Fresno. It is considered a SUPERFUND site and on the rolls as a national historic site. The rules are different, very different. No way to comply with one without ignoring the other wihich is a violation of federal law.

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RE: EPA CREATED EMERGENCY - 9/3/2015 9:19:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

tangeling with the EPA and history of polluting are 2 different things. that being said, it is possible.


Their history of pollution is the responsibility of the EPA to track and ameliorate is it not?

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