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JVoV -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:12:08 AM)
No one would have been able to speak a word against our actions in Iraq if they had been right and justified. I believe it's important to understand the policies and actions that have lead up to current situations, and to try to learn from them. Good and bad. I'm not sure we can accept blame for the bigger picture when we weren't given better choices. We absolutely cannot ignore responsibility for our own mistakes though, and we can't afford to make many more.

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:13:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line. The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been? ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me. We have been in a constant state of alienating our allies since 2008 Backtracking on and apologizing for our victories on behalf of the victims of the Baathists and Islamists in the region As ISIS was rising Obama was golfing and laughing, literally called them JV despite his access to the best intelligence services the world has ever known Iraq begged us for help fighting them, and Barack Obama ignored them. The Saudis, Turkey, the Kurds, the world has been asking for out help with this massive, grievous humanitarian crisis and they are all but ignored The French, even with their reputation, are doing more than we are. The British are doing more. The Saudis have decided to go it alone while we work with Iranian extremists via treaty to fund THEIR terrorist activities and proxy wars. Ignored the American hostage they are holding in John Kerrys secretive, scandalous negotiations. Even agreed that though they are chanting for our death, they can have nuclear weapons in ten years' time... Thus sparking a potential nuclear arms race in the region The bottom line is that we arent on our side any longer, and some day the news of this will gain some traction. It might take another 9/11 but it will eventually gain some traction

BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:13:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line. The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been? ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me. Better than guilt ridden leftists.

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:20:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line. The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been? ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me. Better than guilt ridden leftists. Is that like, if leftists dont personally fight Joe Arpaio they need to stfu about him and suck what theyre told to suck

JVoV -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:39:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Some of the WMDs showed up, ISIS used them on the Kurds. They offered to let the prisoners at Abu Ghraib go to a Arab prison, they decided to stay. It's more believable that the chemical weapons were found in Syria. Yes, some of Saddam's old (circa 1991) supply was found, but it was ruled damaged and degraded by UN inspectors, who said it would likely be more hazardous to the people handling it. So you agree that they found them. It was just ignored. And before you say it we couldn't tell they were degraded till we captured them. As I understand it, international inspectors already found the chemical missiles and ruled them dysfunctional and degraded, damaged by bombing in the first Gulf War. I believe there was also some very low grade uranium taken by ISIS from a college as well, which inspectors had already assessed after Saddam's fall. Chemical weapons used on the Kurds in recent days is likely to be from Syria's supply, which is obviously much newer and less degraded that anything Saddam would have had. Remember, the Iraqi War began in 2003.

Lucylastic -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 11:39:19 AM)
Sherrif joe isnt exactly a happy slappy at the moment

BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:12:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line. The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been? ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me. Better than guilt ridden leftists.

NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent There are two cold stone facts in this: 1) Western nations have made it their business to get involved in the business of the Middle East. I don't see Middle Eastern nations setting up shop in the West. 2) The poor lass who is trying to help has been caught up in this. As often happens, people with a good heart end up on the receiving end. It is a sad fact of human interaction that the good people don't always get what they deserve. This one is an opinion: People like you have a hand in this Sanity, not the left. Thinking it's like a computer game where 'good' endures despite 'evil'. Stupid people thinking it's a good idea to invade other people's countries and when they fight back, and of course they're not going to play by your rules just because you say so, then you call for more bombing of people. You're an idiot, mate, a complete fucking fool. The poor lass who has been caught up in this, and God knows the suffering it has caused her and her family, is just trying to help with a good heart; except there are people in this world like you sat in your armchair talking about fighting and those other fucking idiots who call themselves ISIS who don't value life. It's quite disheartening really when you think of what this world should be and what it is. Someone with a good heart with good intentions suffers because of a bunch of idiots who with no brains, and these idiots will go on merrily talking shite from an arm chair. Sanity, why don't you go to fucking Iraq or wherever it is instead of talking a good fight? Another moron speaks Everything ISIS does is the white mans fault (derp) The OP and the nature of my response to it: The young lady who has put herself in danger to help people, do you think she feels the solution is more violence? She has clearly gone there with peaceful and generous intent. Not to fight, cause more violence and the rest of it. But to give charity. It is a fair bet that the young lady wouldn't support your reaction. So, what exactly is your purpose in this? To shamefully use a tragic situation, whereby a young lass bending over backwards to help people is rewarded with barbarism, for your childish games? You and ISIS have the same intent. Only you do it in different ways according to what is acceptable in the two cultures. Granted, you're not in the business of killing people, but you will push people forward to suit your ill-conceived political immaturity.

BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:27:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line. The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been? ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me. Better than guilt ridden leftists. Is that like, if leftists dont personally fight Joe Arpaio they need to stfu about him and suck what theyre told to suck Now that you mention it.

BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:30:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent There are two cold stone facts in this: 1) Western nations have made it their business to get involved in the business of the Middle East. I don't see Middle Eastern nations setting up shop in the West. 2) The poor lass who is trying to help has been caught up in this. As often happens, people with a good heart end up on the receiving end. It is a sad fact of human interaction that the good people don't always get what they deserve. This one is an opinion: People like you have a hand in this Sanity, not the left. Thinking it's like a computer game where 'good' endures despite 'evil'. Stupid people thinking it's a good idea to invade other people's countries and when they fight back, and of course they're not going to play by your rules just because you say so, then you call for more bombing of people. You're an idiot, mate, a complete fucking fool. The poor lass who has been caught up in this, and God knows the suffering it has caused her and her family, is just trying to help with a good heart; except there are people in this world like you sat in your armchair talking about fighting and those other fucking idiots who call themselves ISIS who don't value life. It's quite disheartening really when you think of what this world should be and what it is. Someone with a good heart with good intentions suffers because of a bunch of idiots who with no brains, and these idiots will go on merrily talking shite from an arm chair. Sanity, why don't you go to fucking Iraq or wherever it is instead of talking a good fight? Another moron speaks Everything ISIS does is the white mans fault (derp) The OP and the nature of my response to it: The young lady who has put herself in danger to help people, do you think she feels the solution is more violence? She has clearly gone there with peaceful and generous intent. Not to fight, cause more violence and the rest of it. But to give charity. It is a fair bet that the young lady wouldn't support your reaction. So, what exactly is your purpose in this? To shamefully use a tragic situation, whereby a young lass bending over backwards to help people is rewarded with barbarism, for your childish games? You and ISIS have the same intent. Only you do it in different ways according to what is acceptable in the two cultures. Granted, you're not in the business of killing people, but you will push people forward to suit your ill-conceived political immaturity. You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed.

NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:33:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that.

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:42:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent There are two cold stone facts in this: 1) Western nations have made it their business to get involved in the business of the Middle East. I don't see Middle Eastern nations setting up shop in the West. 2) The poor lass who is trying to help has been caught up in this. As often happens, people with a good heart end up on the receiving end. It is a sad fact of human interaction that the good people don't always get what they deserve. This one is an opinion: People like you have a hand in this Sanity, not the left. Thinking it's like a computer game where 'good' endures despite 'evil'. Stupid people thinking it's a good idea to invade other people's countries and when they fight back, and of course they're not going to play by your rules just because you say so, then you call for more bombing of people. You're an idiot, mate, a complete fucking fool. The poor lass who has been caught up in this, and God knows the suffering it has caused her and her family, is just trying to help with a good heart; except there are people in this world like you sat in your armchair talking about fighting and those other fucking idiots who call themselves ISIS who don't value life. It's quite disheartening really when you think of what this world should be and what it is. Someone with a good heart with good intentions suffers because of a bunch of idiots who with no brains, and these idiots will go on merrily talking shite from an arm chair. Sanity, why don't you go to fucking Iraq or wherever it is instead of talking a good fight? Another moron speaks Everything ISIS does is the white mans fault (derp) The OP and the nature of my response to it: The young lady who has put herself in danger to help people, do you think she feels the solution is more violence? She has clearly gone there with peaceful and generous intent. Not to fight, cause more violence and the rest of it. But to give charity. It is a fair bet that the young lady wouldn't support your reaction. So, what exactly is your purpose in this? To shamefully use a tragic situation, whereby a young lass bending over backwards to help people is rewarded with barbarism, for your childish games? You and ISIS have the same intent. Only you do it in different ways according to what is acceptable in the two cultures. Granted, you're not in the business of killing people, but you will push people forward to suit your ill-conceived political immaturity. If leftists couldnt make any given debate personal they wouldnt have anything to "contribute" at all ISIS would be who and what they are had I, George Bush, the United States, and Christianity never existed because ISIS is the face and the mind and the body of Islam incarnate Their tactics are Mohammads tactics, and they take their marching orders from the Koran rather than from the West as their apologists like to tell themselves The things we see them doing today are the things Islam has been doing since Islams inception Blame it all on me all day, as if the babbling, ignorant words of a fool and a useful idiot for the Islamist cause will sway any minds that are truly engaged Pure stupidity

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:46:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that. That you appoint yourself the absolute authority on how Kayla Mueller felt about bloodthirsty, rape happy Islamist dogs only underscores how much of a fool you really are

NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If leftists couldnt make any given debate personal they wouldnt have anything to "contribute" at all Why do you keep harping on about 'leftists', as if only 'leftists' could possibly think it's not a good idea to call for more violence? Speaking of Christians that you mention in your post, the Church of England, socially conservative and right wing generally; was vociferous in opposing the whole Iraq invasion. Why? Because they're vested in charity.

NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 12:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that. That you appoint yourself the absolute authority on how Kayla Mueller felt about bloodthirsty, rape happy Islamist dogs only underscores how much of a fool you really are I think it's a reasonable assumption that someone who took the time put herself in harms way to help people, is pretty much guaranteed to be a peaceful person by nature. Do you think she would agree with your reactionary politics?

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 1:14:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that. That you appoint yourself the absolute authority on how Kayla Mueller felt about bloodthirsty, rape happy Islamist dogs only underscores how much of a fool you really are I think it's a reasonable assumption that someone who took the time put herself in harms way to help people, is pretty much guaranteed to be a peaceful person by nature. Do you think she would agree with your reactionary politics? She was held as a slave and her life consisted of being viciously tortured and raped along with several Yazidi women who were held with her Had American special forces been allowed to do their jobs vs. her captors it is my contention that she would have welcomed the associated violence necessary to free her and those others suffering similar fates as her Practically speaking, no one likes violence. No one likes war. But it is necessary when faced with organizations such as ISIS

NorthernGent -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 1:29:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that. That you appoint yourself the absolute authority on how Kayla Mueller felt about bloodthirsty, rape happy Islamist dogs only underscores how much of a fool you really are I think it's a reasonable assumption that someone who took the time put herself in harms way to help people, is pretty much guaranteed to be a peaceful person by nature. Do you think she would agree with your reactionary politics? She was held as a slave and her life consisted of being viciously tortured and raped along with several Yazidi women who were held with her Had American special forces been allowed to do their jobs vs. her captors it is my contention that she would have welcomed the associated violence necessary to free her and those others suffering similar fates as her Practically speaking, no one likes violence. No one likes war. But it is necessary when faced with organizations such as ISIS Well, yeah, the young lady would have appreciated anyone coming to save her in that situation, which is not the same as saying she supports the violence which you're advocating. Only a complete fucking idiot would put 2 and 2 together and get 5. And, funny how you put yourself forward as a champion of Christianity, and yet I don't recognise Christian virtues in anything you have to say. Christianity to me means charity, compassion and generosity; all virtues conspicuous by their absence in your posts. And, your: "no one likes violence but we have to do it" line, who are you trying to kid? You're not even kidding yourself, man.

Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 1:45:17 PM)
Nice backpedal, fool. You mean, before she was personally introduced to Islamists Of course you do... You are a moron. Further, I am not a Christian and I do not "champion" Christianity though unlike "liberals" I do appreciate and advocate everyones freedom and rights

BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 3:29:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You forget that she proved how much good will can accomplish there. ISIS can only accept two kinds of people, those who follow them and those who are dead. She made have had wonderful intentions but they got her killed. I don't forget. The young lady went with peaceful intentions because that is what she feels is the solution: peaceful intentions. In no possible way would she support the contention that the answer lies in more violence: her actions tell us this. So, yes, by all means call for more violence; but don't kid yourself that you're doing it in her name. Because quite clearly she wouldn't want that. Actually by the time she died there is a very good chance that she had changed her view, I suspect that she would have cheerfully put a bullet in their leaders head. That aside regardless of her views, her fate demonstrates what good can be done using empathy and humility to deal with this problem. While she personally might well appose the use of violence she thus proves that they will respond to nothing else.

Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:13:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Cant refute any of it? What BS! Its all essentially PROPAGANDA. Abu Ghraib, the leftist media screamed that it went all the way up to Dick Cheney, which was a lie. Abu Ghraib was a low level crime that Bush vigorously prosecuted. Leftist trash loved showing the pictures all over the planet though, because it hurt the war effort against al Qaeda (ISIS) and aided all of our enemies, all over the world. Helped leftists politically while aiding our enemies and harming our troops and our image abroad. WMDs, everyone including Saddam Hussein and all of the Democrats I mentioned above thought Saddam had them. And WMDs was only a fraction of the many reason everyone agreed on that we needed to go in there for. But if you listen to the leftists that all gets turned upside down Torture - waterboarding. Debatable if its torture, and it was used on 1 - 3 high value targets, leaders who had a hand in 9/11 itself and knew of future plans. Of course, leftists wailed and gnashed their teeth and used that to help ISIS, Barack Obama and the Democrats generally and harm the US as a whole, harm the allies in their war effort and endanger our soldiers too, though it was legal and arguably the right thing to do Gitmo, a prison for terrorists, that Obama still has open The horror, we put terrorists in a prison Once again, propagandized to help ISIS and the Democrats and harm the US as a whole, harm the allies in their war effort and endanger our soldiers You claim that our efforts were flawed, well welcome to the real world. Everything here is flawed, but that doesnt mean that you should use our weaknesses against your fellow citizens as propaganda Your post is wholly inaccurate, even the Senate report on the issue whows you that, despite being heavily redacted. You need to look at the shit the CIA got upto with the black sites program. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QumLFSX-hB8

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