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Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:16:40 PM)


Thats just your opinion, worthless just your link




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:21:23 PM)

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

Just edited to add.....keep trolling and ignore the truth, others will decide for themselves.

It amuses me that people can still deny this shit with so much evidence in the public domain.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:26:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america


The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:30:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america


The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process



I take it you didnt watch the PBS film yet [8|]




BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:36:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america


The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process


It may not have been the intent, but it was the effect.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 5:37:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america


The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process


It may not have been the intent, but it was the effect.


You think they didnt know what the effect would be?




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:04:09 PM)

You two clowns miss the fact that the timetable to pull troops out of Iraq was set by Bush....... Bush and his team also installed a Shia government that was not fully inclusive.

Hence we now have ISIS in control of much of Iraq and Syria.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:08:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I take it you didnt watch the PBS film yet [8|]



I wrote that leftists used such things as propaganda and PBS? Is as leftist as as leftist broadcasters get so...

Care to tell us something that I havent already posted?




Staleek -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:13:22 PM)

It's time wealthy westerners stopped shitting their pants over what happens in the Middle East and just leave it be.

We've had the odd terrorist attack, 60 or so in the UK, fewer in the USA (not counting 9/11 which was an anomaly which can't be repeated), and a handful in the European mainland. In fact, if you're in the USA, you're twice as likely to be killed by right-wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89683/homegrown-terrorism-statistics

Few if any of the Islamic terrorist attacks would have occurred if we had kept out of North East Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to what the cowards wetting their pants in fear on Fox News are telling you ISIS doesn't give a crap about what goes on outside of its territory.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:15:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You two clowns miss the fact that the timetable to pull troops out of Iraq was set by Bush....... Bush and his team also installed a Shia government that was not fully inclusive.

Hence we now have ISIS in control of much of Iraq and Syria.


Immaterial, has nothing to do with ISIS. YOU are overlooking the fact that I have already posted that Iraq begged for help against ISIS from the United States, and that Barack ignored their pleas. For really old trolls with no memory, heres what I posted in that regard, only one short page ago:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

We have been in a constant state of alienating our allies since 2008

Backtracking on and apologizing for our victories on behalf of the victims of the Baathists and Islamists in the region

As ISIS was rising Obama was golfing and laughing, literally called them JV despite his access to the best intelligence services the world has ever known

Iraq begged us for help fighting them, and Barack Obama ignored them. The Saudis, Turkey, the Kurds, the world has been asking for out help with this massive, grievous humanitarian crisis and they are all but ignored

The French, even with their reputation, are doing more than we are. The British are doing more. The Saudis have decided to go it alone while we work with Iranian extremists via treaty to fund THEIR terrorist activities and proxy wars. Ignored the American hostage they are holding in John Kerrys secretive, scandalous negotiations. Even agreed that though they are chanting for our death, they can have nuclear weapons in ten years' time... Thus sparking a potential nuclear arms race in the region

The bottom line is that we arent on our side any longer, and some day the news of this will gain some traction. It might take another 9/11 but it will eventually gain some traction







JVoV -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:15:42 PM)

Since you can't refute the accusations made against the Bush administration, you demonize the people that spoke out.

There is no candidate in this election that feels Iraq was justified. Hillary voted for it, with the faulty information Congress was given at the time. Bernie didn't. I'm not sure any other Senators running were in office for the 2003 vote. Trump probably would've invaded Mexico instead.

As Americans, we hold ourselves to higher standards than the majority of our enemies. The world holds us to higher standards because they (at least did) look to us for leadership. We're going to have missteps of course, it's a lot of pressure being under so much scrutiny.

But even if we could have saved our reputation and good standing after leading our allies into a misguided invasion of Iraq, our failures have cost us dearly. And they have cost the people of Iraq dearly.

Does it make sense to be angry with people that spoke the truth? Or the people that committed horrible actions that had to be spoken out against?




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:20:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I take it you didnt watch the PBS film yet [8|]



I wrote that leftists used such things as propaganda and PBS? Is as leftist as as leftist broadcasters get so...

Care to tell us something that I havent already posted?



Thats just your unsubstantiated bullshit bruv. Just like every other thread your only proof of bias is "your opinion" If you can back it up with a few facts it would help. [8|]




ChrchofDrk -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:25:28 PM)

Turn the sand where they live to glass and be done with them I say. Innocents may die. But that's their tough shit. It will put the fear of God into them




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:26:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Staleek

It's time wealthy westerners stopped shitting their pants over what happens in the Middle East and just leave it be.

We've had the odd terrorist attack, 60 or so in the UK, fewer in the USA (not counting 9/11 which was an anomaly which can't be repeated), and a handful in the European mainland. In fact, if you're in the USA, you're twice as likely to be killed by right-wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89683/homegrown-terrorism-statistics

Few if any of the Islamic terrorist attacks would have occurred if we had kept out of North East Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to what the cowards wetting their pants in fear on Fox News are telling you ISIS doesn't give a crap about what goes on outside of its territory.


Islamists have been attacking and murdering every people theyve come in contact with since the time of Muhammad

Contrary to the ignorance spewed by theuir leftist apologists they dont kill for revenge

Ask the Yazidis about that

They enslave, rape, torture and kill because the people they encounter arent Muslims, or the right kind of Muslims

And New York City isnt anywhere near North Africa or the Middle East

[img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nh28XcnpzX4/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]

Neither is Boston, or London, or any of thousands of other places around the globe subject to recent Islamist attacks

And again, for the terminally stupid, Kayla Mueller proves that ISIS does affect American citizens

[img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150210100526-01-kayla-mueller-0210-large-169.jpg[/img]




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:27:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You two clowns miss the fact that the timetable to pull troops out of Iraq was set by Bush....... Bush and his team also installed a Shia government that was not fully inclusive.

Hence we now have ISIS in control of much of Iraq and Syria.


Immaterial, has nothing to do with ISIS. YOU are overlooking the fact that I have already posted that Iraq begged for help against ISIS from the United States, and that Barack ignored their pleas. For really old trolls with no memory, heres what I posted in that regard, only one short page ago:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

We have been in a constant state of alienating our allies since 2008

Backtracking on and apologizing for our victories on behalf of the victims of the Baathists and Islamists in the region

As ISIS was rising Obama was golfing and laughing, literally called them JV despite his access to the best intelligence services the world has ever known

Iraq begged us for help fighting them, and Barack Obama ignored them. The Saudis, Turkey, the Kurds, the world has been asking for out help with this massive, grievous humanitarian crisis and they are all but ignored

The French, even with their reputation, are doing more than we are. The British are doing more. The Saudis have decided to go it alone while we work with Iranian extremists via treaty to fund THEIR terrorist activities and proxy wars. Ignored the American hostage they are holding in John Kerrys secretive, scandalous negotiations. Even agreed that though they are chanting for our death, they can have nuclear weapons in ten years' time... Thus sparking a potential nuclear arms race in the region

The bottom line is that we arent on our side any longer, and some day the news of this will gain some traction. It might take another 9/11 but it will eventually gain some traction







More bullshit, the British along with everyone else, are doing less of the bombing than America. Even an idiot like you should know that.

As for Iran, please forgive me, I didnt realise they are funding Sunni terrorists who most Iranians as heretics.




Politesub53 -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:29:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Turn the sand where they live to glass and be done with them I say. Innocents may die. But that's their tough shit. It will put the fear of God into them



Laughable shit, as well as ignorant. You do know they want to die as martyrs dont you ? God holds no fears for them.

"Innocents may die" hardly describes the effect of turning the place to glass.




Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:33:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More bullshit, the British along with everyone else, are doing less of the bombing than America. Even an idiot like you should know that.

As for Iran, please forgive me, I didnt realise they are funding Sunni terrorists who most Iranians as heretics.


Feel good story of the day (courtesy of Kirata, and the SAS)

The USA should have special forces troops in there, rather than just flying a few sorties. Should have rescued Kayla Mueller early in her torturous ordeal...




BamaD -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:43:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america


The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process


It may not have been the intent, but it was the effect.


You think they didnt know what the effect would be?

During Vietnam they didn't realize that protesting that we had to quit to end casualties and chanting Ho Ho Ho Chi Mihn was encouraging the enemy to kill more Americans so I think they have a disconnect that keeps them from seeing that.




Staleek -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:44:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Staleek

It's time wealthy westerners stopped shitting their pants over what happens in the Middle East and just leave it be.

We've had the odd terrorist attack, 60 or so in the UK, fewer in the USA (not counting 9/11 which was an anomaly which can't be repeated), and a handful in the European mainland. In fact, if you're in the USA, you're twice as likely to be killed by right-wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89683/homegrown-terrorism-statistics

Few if any of the Islamic terrorist attacks would have occurred if we had kept out of North East Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to what the cowards wetting their pants in fear on Fox News are telling you ISIS doesn't give a crap about what goes on outside of its territory.


Islamists have been attacking and murdering every people theyve come in contact with since the time of Muhammad

Contrary to the ignorance spewed by theuir leftist apologists they dont kill for revenge

Ask the Yazidis about that

They enslave, rape, torture and kill because the people they encounter arent Muslims, or the right kind of Muslims

And New York City isnt anywhere near North Africa or the Middle East

Neither is Boston, or London, or any of thousands of other places around the globe subject to recent Islamist attacks

And again, for the terminally stupid, Kayla Mueller proves that ISIS does affect American citizens


Your lack of historical knowledge, or knowledge on the demographics of Islam aside you probably need to man up just a tad. Really, stop worrying so much about Muslims. If you look at the objective facts Muslims aren't any more likely to be terrorists than any other demographic. In fact the group with the most suicide attacks (not victims) to its name has nothing to do with Islam. That group hasn't attacked any wealthy white westerns thus goes mostly unreported by the western media. I'd bet you can't even name that group can you?

Secondly, Kayla Mueller was in Syria. If you're really going to say that ISIS constitute a threat to America because Americans who wander into their territory will be dealt with by them, however brutally, then you're arguing against any form of international borders for Americans, and saying that personal responsibility has no role to play in our personal safety.

Thirdly, you've posted a picture of 9/11, which is not an argument, just as posting a picture of Hiroshima circa 1945 doesn't prove that America is an even bigger threat to the world.





Sanity -> RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly Raped (8/15/2015 6:46:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Laughable shit, as well as ignorant. You do know they want to die as martyrs dont you ? God holds no fears for them.

"Innocents may die" hardly describes the effect of turning the place to glass.


Which is every reason we need to do everything necessary to keep nuclear technology out of Islamists hands

With Iran being the poster child

They dont care if they die, they think thats a good thing. Thanks for confirming what we already knew bruv




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