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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
it looks like $3000 plus 6 months in jail. So if someone had 100 illegal alien employees they would be eligible for $300,000 fine and 6 months in jail. As small as that seems it does not seem to be enforced. Why?

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The 14th Amendment was not intended to apply to children of illegal aliens.

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No idea why it isn't enforced to the maximum ($3k/6months are the "up to" limits).

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But, a second or third infraction still only has up to 6 months in jail, regardless of how many illegals employed.

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Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

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The 14th Amendment was not intended to apply to children of illegal aliens.

Were slaves American citizens? Clearly they were not. The 14th. amendment made those illegal aliens citizens and the children of illegal aliens citizens.

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No idea why it isn't enforced to the maximum ($3k/6months are the "up to" limits).

Would you be willing to hazard a guess as to why?

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But, a second or third infraction still only has up to 6 months in jail, regardless of how many illegals employed.

It looks like there are some other controlling documents that speak to fines and prison time.

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Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

This seems to have some stiffer penalties.

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I'm not sure that applies to those hiring illegals. It looks more like it applies to those that help people get here.

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I'm not sure that applies to those hiring illegals. It looks more like it applies to those that help people get here.

In the definitions section they make it pretty clear that employing is part of aiding and abetting.

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That was my question earlier. Why aren't these people being prosecuted? We are talking mega dollars here.

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Slaves were brought here against their will, too. Illegal aliens are not here against their will.

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The 14th Amendment was intended to apply to the slave populations in the US. It was not intended to apply to illegal immigrants.

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And, that was answered: Government is bought and paid for.

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Then the American Dream becomes the American nightmare, no-one will want to come here, legally or otherwise, and people will leave in droves, probably mostly Americans.

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Then the American Dream becomes the American nightmare, no-one will want to come here, legally or otherwise, and people will leave in droves, probably mostly Americans.

That won't be a problem. Americans will be welcomed the world over.

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What is it about topics like immigration and race that seems to bring out the inner fascist in so many on the Right? Please note that I am not saying all on the Right, just 'many' as evidenced in some of the posts above.
We have a parallel phenomenon here in Australia, where politicians vie to be the most brutal towards refugees. There is an outcry from the Right in the UK and France too on these issues. So it doesn't seem to be specific to any one country. People who like to position themselves as defenders of liberty and freedom suddenly call for Iron Curtain style borders and demand lethal consequences for any one who tries to get past the cordon sanitaire. Is it that they dislike sharing the privileges of Aussie/US/UK/EU residence and citizenship with any one else? Or merely those with darker skin tones than their own? Is it that they feel threatened by those different to themselves?
It is a feature of this discussion here that so many are so ill-informed, sometimes almost hysterically so. Destitute refugees arriving by boat are demonised with a large section of the population believing they are security threats and terrorists. Ask someone what an illegal immigrant looks like and you will invariably get either an Arab or Asian stereotype as a response. Yet the largest number of illegal immigrants here are from the UK, and seem to get a free pass ..... not difficult to work out why is it?

Illegal immigrants /= Refugees

Does that help?

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It is the case that immigration is an issue that raises temperatures on the Right in many countries - Australia the UK the US France Germany and Italy to name just a few.

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That won't be a problem. Americans will be welcomed the world over.

Hey! A fucking nothing nobody piss-ant Brit can dream, cant he

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Slaves were brought here against their will, too. Illegal aliens are not here against their will.

For or against their will they were illegal aliens.

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The 14th Amendment was intended to apply to the slave populations in the US. It was not intended to apply to illegal immigrants.

If that were true wouldn't the amendment say so?

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What is it about topics like immigration and race that seems to bring out the inner fascist in so many on the Right? Please note that I am not saying all on the Right, just 'many' as evidenced in some of the posts above.
We have a parallel phenomenon here in Australia, where politicians vie to be the most brutal towards refugees. There is an outcry from the Right in the UK and France too on these issues. So it doesn't seem to be specific to any one country. People who like to position themselves as defenders of liberty and freedom suddenly call for Iron Curtain style borders and demand lethal consequences for any one who tries to get past the cordon sanitaire. Is it that they dislike sharing the privileges of Aussie/US/UK/EU residence and citizenship with any one else? Or merely those with darker skin tones than their own? Is it that they feel threatened by those different to themselves?
It is a feature of this discussion here that so many are so ill-informed, sometimes almost hysterically so. Destitute refugees arriving by boat are demonised with a large section of the population believing they are security threats and terrorists. Ask someone what an illegal immigrant looks like and you will invariably get either an Arab or Asian stereotype as a response. Yet the largest number of illegal immigrants here are from the UK, and seem to get a free pass ..... not difficult to work out why is it?

Illegal immigrants /= Refugees
Does that help?

I think that my comments still hold whether or not there's an equivalence between illegal immigrants and refugees.
The situation here is probably unique in that refugees are the pointy end of the discussion, which doesn't appear to be the case the US or elsewhere. Refugees arriving by boat are a very hot political issue, and subject to appalling punitive measures, including mandatory detention in substandard offshore facilities, denied the right to apply for asylum and a host of other measures that contravene Australia's obligations under international law. Hence my comments included reference to refugees, even though that might not make immediate sense to someone unaware of the situation here, as I am sure most non-Aussies would be. We're pretty blessed here but the centre of the universe we are not.
It is the case that immigration is an issue that raises temperatures on the Right in many countries - Australia the UK the US France Germany and Italy to name just a few. I am not sure that illegal immigrants are a threat in any real sense - statistics tend to find that most live quiet honest lives working hard for their families, that they are less likely to access welfare services than the general population, that they are industrious and add jobs to the economy, and generally at least as law abiding as the general population if not more so.
So I am unsure why they cause so many on the Right to go ballistic, or why they are demonised. The issue seems to take a prominence that is hardly justified when one looks at other issues that these countries face, so I tend to suspect that the issue acts as lightening rod for a whole lot of other things that aren't too PC to say publicly. If you disagree that this is the case, perhaps you can give me some insight as to why this issue attracts the prominence and priority on the Right that it appears to ......

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It is the case that immigration is an issue that raises temperatures on the Right in many countries - Australia the UK the US France Germany and Italy to name just a few.

You are right to describe it as a fascist leaning.