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Lucylastic -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 5:12:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: WickedestDesires
Contributing on forums with sterling advice might get you 1 or 2. A few of the regulars will get a few I would imagine. But they invest much time and effort.


Yes. Exactly what SHOULD be done when looking for a match, don't you think? Or do you think men deserve to have women just throwing themselves at them?


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ORIGINAL: crumpets
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Women want sex as much as men.

Hmmm.... how does one respond to that?
There's absolutely no way. Period. It's just not possible.


Right. No wonder you whine so much, believing that tripe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/
http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/when-women-pursue-sex-even-men-dont-get-it.html

I could offer a lot more, if I did not have an out-of-town guest that I want to cook breakfast for in a bit. But that's a taste.

Because, science, fuckers.

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I'm sure *some* women want sex as much as most men do - but - women, in general, don't have a clue what it's like to be horny every second of every day of your life, and then to have women parading around wearing almost nothing most of the time just making the whole thing worse. You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be horny like a guy is horny. At least not a Mediterranean guy.


WOW! That is a whole lotta misogyny and bitterness right there.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
For every straight man having sex, h=guess what? There is a woman there. Yeah. I know. Crazy!

Not even close to being true. First off, the number of gay men is huge, as compared to lesbian women, and their number of trysts are stupendously huge, compared to anything else (lesbian or straight). Secondly, men have far more extra-relationship sex than women do (although both do it - yet - men do it in droves).


First, I said straight. Second, do you even understand science? Do you understand the SCIENTIFIC reasons there are more homosexual men than women? Or the cultural reasons that women are more likely to identify as bisexual than men?

Do you understand the different between WANTING sex and HAVING sex? Oh wait... I know you do. *snickers*

Yes, men have more affairs—WITH WOMEN. They are still having that sex with women. Good lord, this is not difficult stuff.

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Just pick any arbitrary prostitute who caters, for example, to businessmen on business - and then ask her how many men she screws in a day, every day, every week, every year, etc. She's not doing it for the sex (rest assured), but each of those businessmen is.


I reiterate that you know the difference between WANTING sex and HAVING sex.

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I wish I could find the ad-hoc study that was done once, where they put a gorgeous blond and a handsome guy propositioning guys after work on Fridays, and EVERY SINGLE GUY took the bait, while no women took the bait.


Oh. Right, because slut shaming, the physical risk of going off with a strange man, the risk of STDs (Oh! It just slipped off, I'm sorry women are approximately 4x more likely to get an STD from an infected man than a man is from an infected woman, bummer, that), the risk of pregnancy and all those things are not reasons.

It's because women DON'T WANT SEX.

Yeah. Ok. That's just dumbass.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
And, women cheat as often as men do. Uh huh. And our hormones are not only as strong, but at certain times of the month and in our lifecycles, even stronger.

I think we'd need to look up studies to find the actual amounts of testosterone and estrogen (it's probably way complicated by a lot of factors); but again, there's no way that the average woman, at her highest of highest of hormonal fluxes is anywhere near as horny as the average guy at his lowest of lows. Again, I speak mostly from my own experience, and a tiny bit of knowledge of physiology (I've taken graduate-level courses in the subject but it has been decades since).


Right. And science hasn't changed since, I'm sure.

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From what you write, it's clear you have absolutely no idea. None. You're intelligent. But you're not horny like a man is horny.
Just look at the evidence.


Yeah. Ok. Keep talking out your ass. I mean, I dunno, this has been my primary area of study for the past 7 years. Okies. Keep your ONE college course from decades ago in your head. That'll work.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
So, put it away.

Let's agree to disagree.


Oh, I don't mind disagreeing. But when you post ignorant misogynistic bullshit like this, I am not particularly interested in changing your mind. I'm posting so that others who have open minds don't reach that drivel and think you actually know what you're talking about, or at least have a dissenting point of view.

As far as most people like you go, it's probably best they don't realize how much women want sex. Because most don't have what it takes to understand it, handle it, or satisfy it.

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You choose to ignore the evidence that is everywhere, in favor of your own personal opinion.


No. In favor of science, and the research I've done for years.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
1. Society. Being ostracized as a "slut" is particularly painful for some women,

In general, men are the sluts (they do it for the sex); women are the whores (they do it for personal gain).


I hope every woman who considers you as a potential mate takes the time to read through your forum posts and sees this.

That is the biggest red flag I can make with the limitations here.

'Nuff said.


As a woman with a high sex drive, I can say,This
plus some.
The ignorance is strong in that post Crumpets...sorry dood, you arent thinking.




HoneyBears -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 9:51:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

I'm sure *some* women want sex as much as most men do - but - women, in general, don't have a clue what it's like to be horny every second of every day of your life, and then to have women parading around wearing almost nothing most of the time just making the whole thing worse ...
You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be horny like a guy is horny. At least not a Mediterranean guy.
<snip>

OK, where to begin. NookieNotes (and Lucylastic) made good points, but we do not want to turn this into the neverending post [i.e., circle-jerk of rebuttals].

There are too many different factors and variables involved when it comes to physically wanting sex and/or sexual readiness.
This is not a gender sex-off contest (although you, no doubt, would not mind participating in one[:D]).

Not being able to be sexually satiated is a condition most commonly referred to as "nymphomania."
Nymphomania is specifically applicable to females. Whoda guessed? and wonder why that is? as in, since the dawn of time ...
Being sexually insatiable as a male condition, is the much lesser known term "satyriasis."
Neither of these conditions is considered "normal," but generally classified as forms of sexual dysfunction (e.g. erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, prolonged erection, frigidity, etc.)

Therefore, you are comparing apples and oranges.

If your ancestors were horny all of the time, then not only would they have never gotten anything else productive accomplished, they would not have been able to survive long enough to have been able to create you.
As NookieNotes has stated in so many words, It Takes [at least] Two to Tango.

Further, what makes you presume that these 'women parading around' in skimpy, revealing clothing are doing so for your benefit?
The only people who do not have a grip on themselves (no, not that kind), are those who are ashamed of natural human sexuality.
Were indigenous tribal cultures in tropical climates who "parade around" naked thinking twice about their nudity? Being naked, breastfeeding in public without covering one's breasts, are seen as perfectly natural.
In fact, an anthropologist friend of ours observed when he went to live among primitive Amazon tribes, that serial killers and serial rapists are unheard of.

*Sigh* If you feel overwhelmed by your perpetual state of horniness, then it is because you are not getting any. This has absolutely nothing to do with your implied strong sex drive or with being of Mediterranean descent, just like not ALL African-American men have big dicks.[8|] (Trust me on that one.) 'Nuff said.

-- Lisa & Cub




rick19 -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 9:55:02 AM)

I used to troll these since I was 18 years old and if its one thing I learned is, they're a complete waste of time if you want to get laid or get your needs met. These sites are good for entertainment and to blow off steam and thats all anyone should expect from them.

Biologically it makes sense that women are going to be picky and not meet men off of the internet for sex considering that they're the ones that carry a fetus for 9 months. The risk of pregnancy outweights the reward of sex, especially if its bad. Nevermind the whole risk that the guy can be a psycho/stalker etc. so I'm really not surprised women are hesitant to cruise these sites for sex. However it does say a lot about men; that they're generally willing to put themselves in harms way for pleasure.

I just browsed most of the female dominants in my area. If I erased all the men pretending to be women and pro-dommes, there would be 5 profiles, and 3 of them would be about how much they hate men. The ratio is literally 1000 to 1. A lifestyle dominant woman can have her pick of the litter and I'm self-aware enough to know that it ain't me. I was owned in real time several years ago and reality is, I hated it. I'm more of a fetishist than a submissive/slave, and most lifestyle dommes want 100% slavery and can get it.


You want to fulfill your fantasies/meet women/get laid without having to pay for it? Then get up off your ass and start attending events in person. Most of the people who attend events aren't the same ones who live on sites like these so its a lot better. I no longer attend, because I felt that the BDSM community wasn't for me, but Its pretty much the only way to start. Otherwise plan on opening your wallet and spending lots of lonely nights masturbating.




DarkSteven -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 10:23:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ForgetToRemember

I decided to test out a hypothesis that I've had for a while. There are more men than women that are kinky (have distinct fetishes and/or observe a power exchange). I don't have the time or resources to do a full study of course, but thought I'd post what I found in my small sample. I searched my home state, any distance, any other settings. The only search criteria were age (18-36) and gender (in this case sex). I searched for reasonably active people (on in the last month). Here is what I found after removing the fakes, double accounts and scam / spammers.

Men: 96
Trans: 3 (all naturally born men)
Women: 23

I didn't count couples, since I figured they were unique, and mostly canceled out (not effecting the ratio much). I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex). Therefore, not effecting the ratio much either.

Final result: ~4:1 ratio for Male:Female somewhat active on collarspace. Again not a huge sample size. I am also aware that some can be hidden, or not show last online date. Again I assume about as many men as women use these options.

I'd be curious what other states come out to be (I was able to do this in part because of the small size of my state's population). Larger populations would take more time, but could be done (hardest part is removing fakes / duplicates).




1. You termed this men and women that are kinky. But you really meant men and women that have collarspace profiles. There may be a correlation, but they're not the same thing.

2. How did you determine fakes and scam/spammers?

3. Trans people - collarspace allows self-identification, and there's no easy way to differentiate between crossdressers and fully transitioned people. For your purposes, though, transpeople make up less than 3% of the sample, so they're a statistical blip.

4. "I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay" If the intent is to measure the number men vs women profiles, then orientation is irreevant. Also, you omitted bi people.

5. 4 to 1? That sounds about right to me.




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 5:49:23 PM)

THANK YOU, Steven.

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ORIGINAL: ForgetToRemember

I decided to test out a hypothesis that I've had for a while. There are more men than women that are kinky (have distinct fetishes and/or observe a power exchange). I don't have the time or resources to do a full study of course, but thought I'd post what I found in my small sample. I searched my home state, any distance, any other settings. The only search criteria were age (18-36) and gender (in this case sex). I searched for reasonably active people (on in the last month). Here is what I found after removing the fakes, double accounts and scam / spammers.

Men: 96
Trans: 3 (all naturally born men)
Women: 23

I didn't count couples, since I figured they were unique, and mostly canceled out (not effecting the ratio much). I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex). Therefore, not effecting the ratio much either.

Final result: ~4:1 ratio for Male:Female somewhat active on collarspace. Again not a huge sample size. I am also aware that some can be hidden, or not show last online date. Again I assume about as many men as women use these options.

I'd be curious what other states come out to be (I was able to do this in part because of the small size of my state's population). Larger populations would take more time, but could be done (hardest part is removing fakes / duplicates).




1. You termed this men and women that are kinky. But you really meant men and women that have collarspace profiles. There may be a correlation, but they're not the same thing.

2. How did you determine fakes and scam/spammers?

3. Trans people - collarspace allows self-identification, and there's no easy way to differentiate between crossdressers and fully transitioned people. For your purposes, though, transpeople make up less than 3% of the sample, so they're a statistical blip.

4. "I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay" If the intent is to measure the number men vs women profiles, then orientation is irreevant. Also, you omitted bi people.

5. 4 to 1? That sounds about right to me.





xBullx -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 6:52:44 PM)

I'm not a formal statistic within said survey. I merely stopped by to enjoy Lucy's most recent ass shot!

I've been mentally spanking her for about 10 minutes now.

Sorry about the highjack........as if.




Lucylastic -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 6:56:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I'm not a formal statistic within said survey. I merely stopped by to enjoy Lucy's most recent ass shot!

I've been mentally spanking her for about 10 minutes now.

Sorry about the highjack........as if.

LOL Bull, nice catch:)




MistressJadeSays -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 8:38:26 PM)

Lucy you win the internet today as far as I'm concerned. From one high drive woman to another I appreciate your response.




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 9:43:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
That is the biggest red flag I can make with the limitations here.

Philosophy.




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 9:45:17 PM)


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The ratio is literally 1000 to 1.


Yup. The ratio has zeros in it, and more than just one (how many, well ... that depends on the method - but the gist of the matter is that there's a logarithmic ratio).




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 10:01:13 PM)


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Being sexually insatiable as a male condition, is the much lesser known term "satyriasis."
Neither of these conditions is considered "normal

I'm sure they exist (everything exists, and if you're one of them, then it's 100% for you); but I, myself, have never met a sexually satiated male in my entire life.

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
Therefore, you are comparing apples and oranges.

That was my point.
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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
If your ancestors were horny all of the time, then not only would they have never gotten anything else productive accomplished, they would not have been able to survive long enough to have been able to create

We have to call BS on that one.

For example, what man has the most children on earth as his direct (or almost direct) progeny?
That man only started having children later in his life, and at the very same time (somewhere in the 1300s, as I recall), he was conquering almost the entire known world.

He accomplished more than almost any other man on earth, and, he has something like 2% of the world population as his progeny.

Plenty of successful men have had many trysts.
Winston Churchill, John F. Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, Eliot Spitzer, Kareem Abdul Jabar, etc., just to name a few notables.

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
As NookieNotes has stated in so many words, It Takes [at least] Two to Tango.

You forgot to study math in high school, particularly exponents.

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
Further, what makes you presume that these 'women parading around' in skimpy, revealing clothing are doing so for your benefit?

You are jumping wildly to conclusions that have no basic in presumptive statements.
I never said, nor intended to imply that they're doing *anything* for me.
They wouldn't notice me if I blocked their way on the sidewalk as they tried to get past me.
That doesn't change what they're wearing - with shorts and skirts so short they're constantly pulling them down, and with necklines that they're constantly pulling together (for example).

Of course, most women could be wearing a burqa, and they'd still be sexy to males, because absolutely everything about women is sensuous, from their voice, to the shine of their hair to their pointy fingers to the click of their heels to the smell of their perfume to the look in those eyes, to the way they shimmy and dance, etc.

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
The only people who do not have a grip on themselves (no, not that kind), are those who are ashamed of natural human sexuality.

I'm not exactly sure where this came up, but I can't disagree.
The Puritans ruined the mores of the US (I'm not sure what or whom it was that ruined the rest of the world though).

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
Were indigenous tribal cultures in tropical climates who "parade around" naked thinking twice about their nudity? Being naked, breastfeeding in public without covering one's breasts, are seen as perfectly natural.

No doubt about it. However - you're possibly accidentally neutralizing what is actually extremely gender specific to both genders.

Do this thought experiment (you don't have to actually *run* the experiment because we all already know the answers)...
1. Go to any local high school in the USA.
2. Look at what the boys are wearing.
3. Look at what the girls are wearing.

Notice anything extremely different with respect to the topic in play?
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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
If you feel overwhelmed by your perpetual state of horniness, then it is because you are not getting any

While that may very well be true, I'd be perpetually horny even when I am getting it all day, every day.
It's not something that *ever* goes away (except for a few minutes during the refractory period - in which case it seems downright silly - but that's only for a few minutes).

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
This has absolutely nothing to do with your implied strong sex drive or with being of Mediterranean descent, just like not ALL African-American men have big dicks.[8|] (Trust me on that one.) 'Nuff said.

I'll let you espouse on how big dicks are on African Americans (um, why American though? ... isn't it enough just to be African?).




sexyred1 -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/22/2015 11:27:17 PM)

I find it sad that a 48 year old man is perpetually horny, even "getting it a lot". Worse, is you have never met a sexually satiated male. It's not impressive that you are always horny, I would only care that a man was always horny for me.

I have met them, hell, I was with them in relationships and they were satisfied and we were both exhausted.

What you are failing to understand is that it's not the quantity of sex that's important, it's the quality.

Women are just as horny as men, can go for longer, have better orgasms and can be voracious.

Yet, still, men complain.

If you want a woman to be horny for you, provide her with earth shattering sex and care for her.

We are just pickier than men, not less interested in sex.




cloverodella -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/23/2015 1:35:22 AM)


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If you want a woman to be horny for you, provide her with earth shattering sex and care for her.

We are just pickier than men, not less interested in sex.


I find this so funny. If we (read: women) don't want him/them, then we just must not want. It never occurs to him/them that we just don't want him/them in particular because they are a man who has nothing to offer. The fault is that women a're shallow and find them ugly, or we don't like Nice Guys, or there aren't as many of us as there are them, or that we're not as horny, or we don't like sex, or we're just scammers out for money their, etc. and etc. Like no, dude, you are simply undesirable.

Instead of complaining, go off and improve yourself. It's pretty simple. Cuz plenty of us ladies do make the first move/contact. It's always worked for me in my vanilla past, and I assume it will continue to do so even when I am a lady sub seeking male Dom. But you can be dammed sure that I will find that D interesting, and not some schlub with a blank profile or forum history calling women who aren't falling at their feet fake.

It seriously baffles me that it never seems to occur to these guys that the problem may be internal. I get that it's so much easier to blame the ladies for our "disinterest in sex", and decide that we must "lack sexual desire" because we don't want to submit to their every hard-use whim. No, instead of taking responsibility, there has to be some external problem that has just happened to them and is entirely out of their control.

And on fake profiles, maybe this is just me, but my theory is that the real fakes are mostly men posing as women for wank fodder or any gender banking on a windfall of "relocation expenses" from dumb saps. Calling a lady fake because she doesn't want to meet you or give her phone number in 3 messages, or her intent in being on CS is different than yours, is so effing lazy. Again, when certain women aren't doing what they think is right action (ie: jumping in their inbox begging to suck their dick), the problem must be the entirety of women's sexuality from the beginning of time, and not these unworthy men's unmet expectations.

[i'd like to think it's obvious that i'm talking about a subset of men, not all of them. cuz if you're a man who does not do these things, you'll nod your head in understanding.]




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/23/2015 8:09:38 AM)


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Worse, is you have never met a sexually satiated male.

It's not good or bad. It's just different. Men aren't women. And women aren't men.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I would only care that a man was always horny for me.

This makes sense. Lots of sense. In general, women are far more complicated than men are when it comes to sexual needs.
Women often need more of a much deeper personal connection, than men do, in order to initiate sexual activity.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I have met them, hell, I was with them in relationships and they were satisfied and we were both exhausted.

That's what you think. That's what Hillary thought. That's what Eleanor thought. It's what Anna Duggar thought. It's what Elizabeth Hurley thought. I's the same thing Elin Nordegren thought. Sandra Bullock too. Same with Denise Richards. Uma Thurman. Sienna Miller. Natalie Portman. Kate Gosselin. Fergie. etc. (The list can go on forever, and we can go back thousands of years, and the list will go on and on and on and on - despite what you seem to think).

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
What you are failing to understand is that it's not the quantity of sex that's important, it's the quality.

Because I'm not a woman.
Women don't notch their bedpost.
Men do (figuratively speaking).

Men are fundamentally not women.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Women are just as horny as men, can go for longer, have better orgasms and can be voracious.

If that statement carried even a minute semblance of truth, history would have to be rewritten.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Yet, still, men complain.

Your own statements show that you're confused (which is normal for women since they're confused about themselves) about how men regard sex.
When it comes to sex, in general, men are as simple as your pet dog.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
If you want a woman to be horny for you, provide her with earth shattering sex and care for her.

That's a topic for an entirely different thread. I'm not complaining about anything. I'm simply explaining things to people who don't seem to understand. I probably am failing but it's not that I'm not trying. It's that you're not understanding.

Again, men, in general, are as simple as dogs when it comes to sex.
In fact, I might even go so far as to say we're (in general) as simple as a rock.
It's not complicated in the least.
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
We are just pickier than men, not less interested in sex.

You only got half of that correct.

It's true that women, in general, are FAR more picky than men (and we all know the innate biological reasons why sex is more "expensive" for women, hence the primal need to choose a more capable man.

However, you have absolutely no concept of how horny men are.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/23/2015 4:35:53 PM)

The Ashley Madison hack shows that that site has 14% of it's uses self-identifying as women on sign up (that's discounting all the fake profiles on there).

Combining that with the fact that users here guesstimate a 4:1 ratio, and the fact that we know that this site has a large portion of fake profiles as well (and by fakes I mean, female profiles that aren't actually female, or are Nigerian scam profiles, not the 'fake because you don't like what I like'), I'd say that a female ratio of about 15%-20% seems about right. I think 25% would be too generous.




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/24/2015 1:03:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
The Ashley Madison hack shows that that site has 14% of it's uses self-identifying as women on sign up


14% would be 86% men, which is about 9 men for every 1 woman, which is close enough to 10:1 that I'd say it's a low estimate.
My experience is that it's closer to 100 to 1, which is, I wager, the more "typical" male:female ratio on the Internet sex-related sites.




crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/24/2015 1:04:30 AM)

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It never occurs to him/them that we just don't want him/them


This is an interesting point, and, it may be the tip of the iceberg which will help all of us better understand each other since we all are coming at the same problem from wholly different viewpoints (which is natural for all male:female sexual comparisons).

What you're saying, I believe, if I may attempt to paraphrase, is that women are as horny as men, but just for their ONE MAN, while men, we can assume, by way of comparison, that I'm saying that we men (in general) aren't as, um, shall we say, er, "selective" (witness the myriad unending Hugh-Grant style examples in the prior post).

If we assume that this concept is true, what you're saying is that men are "as horny" for a larger variety of women (at the same time), while women are "as horny" for (literally) one man (at a time).

While this focus on the "number" rather than the level of sexual desire is a very interesting concept, which bears faithful discussion by fleshing out further, it still doesn't tell us whether that sexual desire for one man is any greater or lesser than the man's desire for many women.

You obviously assume the level of sexual desire is the same (where only the focus may be different).

My "personal" conviction, is that the average woman is so far below the average man in sexual drive that the average woman actually has absolutely no concept of how incredibly horny the average man is.
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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
in particular because they are a man who has nothing to offer.

Aha!

I realize you didn't mean to bolster my key point that men are sluts and women are whores (philosophically speaking, with respect to motive), but, your statement that men need to have "something to offer" goes a long way toward indicating that you actually do realize the truth - you just may not realize that you actually understand the point that I'm trying to clarify in this discussion.

Notice that women, in general, choose a man who "offers something" (i.e., whore'ish behavior, figuratively speaking), while history shows us that men often choose women who offer only sex (literally speaking), as witnessed by the myriad examples I have already listed (e.g., Robert F. Kennedy, Eliot Spitzer, Franklin Roosevelt, Genghis Khan, Hugh Grant, Bill Clinton, Tiger Woods, etc. - remember, this list goes on not only forever in the present, but, just as long, or even longer, for the past ten thousand years).

The point is that women and men approach this sex thing entirely differently.
Specifically, women, in general, have absolutely no concept of how men approach things.

Women "think" they're horny, just as a child thinks he's Superman; but he's not (and women have no concept of what horny means to men because if they did - world history would be vastly different).

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
The fault is that women a're shallow and find them ugly, or we don't like Nice Guys, or there aren't as many of us as there are them, or that we're not as horny, or we don't like sex, or we're just scammers out for money their, etc. and etc. Like no, dude, you are simply undesirable.

There's absolutely no need to get "personal" here.
We are speaking in generalities.
You might note that I have prefaced many statements with the words "in general" because there is a bell curve to every philosophical concept.

The philosophical concept I'm discussing with you has nothing, per se, to do with YOU or with ME.
It is about men, in general, and women, in general, and how, I believe, and I am trying to portray, that men, in general are so horny that women can't comprehend how horny men are.

Many women are CONSTANTLY SURPRISED that men have trysts (history proves that point) outside their relationship.
Men are RARELY SURPRISED when they know of a friend or wingman who has a tryst outside HIS relationship.

Of course, some men are surprised when their wives or girlfriends have trysts outside their relationship too; however, it is my supposition (mostly based on my knowledge of current and historical events) that the NUMBER of men surprised by the women being hornier than they are is far lower than the number of women surprised that the men are far hornier than they are.

Anyway, I see you have agreed that women are sluts (figuratively speaking) because they want MORE than just sex, while the men, well, many of them anyway, could be forced to have sex every day with a different woman, and they'd still be happy to do so.




NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/24/2015 6:20:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crumpets
What you're saying, I believe, if I may attempt to paraphrase, is that women are as horny as men, but just for their ONE MAN, while men, we can assume, by way of comparison, that I'm saying that we men (in general) aren't as, um, shall we say, er, "selective" (witness the myriad unending Hugh-Grant style examples in the prior post).


Not ONE man. Just men who have proven that they aren't a waste of time in the sexual department, or men when we are really desperate, which is not often, because, well, we can get it when we want it, generally. Just not REALLY REALLY well. And then, when we do it with someone we are not proud of, you would never know. Because we don't need to broadcast it.

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If we assume that this concept is true, what you're saying is that men are "as horny" for a larger variety of women (at the same time), while women are "as horny" for (literally) one man (at a time).


Nobody said ONE man. That's all on you.

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While this focus on the "number" rather than the level of sexual desire is a very interesting concept, which bears faithful discussion by fleshing out further, it still doesn't tell us whether that sexual desire for one man is any greater or lesser than the man's desire for many women.


You are the ONLY one focused on the number.

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My "personal" conviction, is that the average woman is so far below the average man in sexual drive that the average woman actually has absolutely no concept of how incredibly horny the average man is.


Based on no science whatsoever.

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
in particular because they are a man who has nothing to offer.

Aha!

I realize you didn't mean to bolster my key point that men are sluts and women are whores (philosophically speaking, with respect to motive), but, your statement that men need to have "something to offer" goes a long way toward indicating that you actually do realize the truth - you just may not realize that you actually understand the point that I'm trying to clarify in this discussion.


Offer something, like, I dunno, decent sex?

You are twisting other people's words to fit your beliefs, instead of accepting them as they are said.

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Women "think" they're horny, just as a child thinks he's Superman; but he's not (and women have no concept of what horny means to men because if they did - world history would be vastly different).


And you "think" you're making good points, just as a child "thinks" he's convincing his parents that "his invisible friend did it."

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
The fault is that women a're shallow and find them ugly, or we don't like Nice Guys, or there aren't as many of us as there are them, or that we're not as horny, or we don't like sex, or we're just scammers out for money their, etc. and etc. Like no, dude, you are simply undesirable.

There's absolutely no need to get "personal" here.
We are speaking in generalities.
You might note that I have prefaced many statements with the words "in general" because there is a bell curve to every philosophical concept.


And the point had nothing to do with YOU, necessarily, until YOU took it that way.

Anyway, I see you have agreed that women are sluts (figuratively speaking) because they want MORE than just sex, while the men, well, many of them anyway, could be forced to have sex every day with a different woman, and they'd still be happy to do so.


Putting words in others' mouths does not actually help your point. NO ONE yet has agreed to your supposition. NO ONE is saying women have sex with men for things other than sex (although it does happen, and with men as well). They are saying that we don't bother having rabbit sex with a 2-minute cum-and-sleeper, when we can get better sex with a our hands and a vibe, and hold out for something worth having.

So, again, your argument is moot.

The argument is who wants sex more.

Women and men want (and have) sex in the same amounts, or very near, according to SCIENCE. For what reasons does not matter. Whether we are more discriminating does not matter. Whether it's your personal experience does not matter.

And it has nothing to do with the ratio of men to women on sites like this, either.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/24/2015 7:09:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

NO ONE yet has agreed to your supposition.



I do.

I think he's doing a poor job phrasing it and don't really have an interest in getting into this debate, but I totally agree that the way sexdrive manifests in men vs women is very different. I'm not necisarily convinced that it's a matter of wanting sex less or more rather one of wanting sex differently.

Sexdrive in men is of a more obsessive, compulsive, intrusive nature than it is in women. Men can get overwhelmed by the need, urgency, and obsession to get off so that they're pretty much useless for anything else until they have on a fairly consistent basis. Women can get to this state too, but it usually gets a lot of work and a skilled man who knows how to push her buttons to get her there.

That's not to say that frequency of wanting sex is any different. It's just a matter that women seem more capable of managing that desire, and to hold off, or to take care of themselves if it suits them better, while for men the drive is compulsive and obsessive, often if very negative ways.

I think the difference between both y'all positions is as simple as:
He's thinking... women are not as obsessed with sex as men are on a daily basis, they also have standards and they'll turn sex down if it doesn't meet those standards, unlike men would = less sex drive.
You're thinking... despite not being obsessed with sex I want it a lot, with the same frequency as men do as long as it meets my standardsd, but whether I have it that often or not I want just as often as men do = same sex drive.

The issue is that one of you thinks that 'having standards and only having sex when it meets those standards' is a sign of a low sex drive, the other one thinks it's irrelevant and it's the desire that counts. If y'all are going to keep arguing, you should start by finding a mutual definition for 'sex drive' right now you're using the concept in different ways.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/24/2015 7:46:03 AM)

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In general, men are the sluts (they do it for the sex); women are the whores (they do it for personal gain).


That would seem to be counter-intuitive. Since we find that of those who have doubts about the paternity of their child some 25-30% turn out not to be the primary partner. In those cases where there are no doubts as to paternity the rate is between 2-3%. Wouldn't this speak directly to the sexuality/horniness factor of women as opposed to more fiscal considerations?




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