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Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 9:33:52 AM)

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Never let facts get in the way of your view.


Which facts. The facts that this song was sung to a gathering of police officers both active and retired who did not express any outrage.
Or that it was the Elks and not the police who are investigating.




Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 9:49:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Never let facts get in the way of your view.

Which facts. The facts that this song was sung to a gathering of police officers both active and retired who did not express any outrage.
Or that it was the Elks and not the Ppolice who are investigating.

Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song? What would you have them do? Burn the place down? Loot some stores? Did you express outrage at the lying pieces of shit who launched a perjuryfest trying to get Darren Wilson indicted?

K.




BamaD -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 9:55:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Never let facts get in the way of your view.

Which facts. The facts that this song was sung to a gathering of police officers both active and retired who did not express any outrage.
Or that it was the Elks and not the Ppolice who are investigating.

Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song? What would you have them do? Burn the place down? Loot some stores? Did you express outrage at the lying pieces of shit who launched a perjuryfest trying to get Darren Wilson indicted?

K.


A gathering that included police, not a police gathering.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:11:01 AM)

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A gathering that included police, not a police gathering.


Who else beside the police and their families were there?




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:14:34 AM)

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Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song? What would you have them do? Burn the place down? Loot some stores? Did you express outrage at the lying pieces of shit who launched a perjuryfest trying to get Darren Wilson indicted?


Why do you think "burning the place down" is the only way they could show their displeasure?
Within the perjuryfest article was the note that officer Wilson's testimony was not credible either. Have you read the DOJ reports on the shooting or the police department?




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:16:06 AM)

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Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song?


Was it any less tasteless than the song that prompted your outrage?




Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:29:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Within the perjuryfest article was the note that officer Wilson's testimony was not credible either.

Quote it.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Have you read the DOJ reports on the shooting or the police department?

Sorry you lost that one, but you don't get a rematch.

K.





Lucylastic -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:32:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

http://filmingcops.com/deader-than-roadkill-cops-sing-and-celebrate-death-of-michael-brown/
Yeah there are.

From your source:

A shocking video has surfaced online showing a police event at a lodge during which police and their families can be heard singing and celebrating the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Yeah, no....

The Glendale, CA Elks Lodge is investigating a shocking incident that went down in the club a week ago Monday, when a performer sang a song celebrating the death of Michael Brown ... for an audience that included a number of retired and current cops

An Elks lodge. Just some police families there. And nobody even seems to be paying much attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHVJCl1_2Y

K.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/24/us-usa-police-song-idUSKBN0K20JF20141224

A song poking fun at the killing of black teenager Michael Brown by a white policeman, performed at a retired officer's party, has prompted the Los Angeles Police Department to launch an internal investigation, its chief said on Tuesday.
Commenting on the song, Chief Charlie Beck said on Twitter: "Like many of you, I find it offensive & absurd. It does not reflect the values of the #LAPD."

"I have directed our Professional Standards Bureau to look into this & determine if any active department employees were involved."

An LAPD spokesman declined further comment.

The song, which changed the lyrics to "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown", a 1973 hit by American folk rock singer Jim Croce, was performed at a party organized by a retired LAPD officer at an Elks Lodge in the Los Angeles suburb Glendale on Dec. 15, local media reported.

A trustee for the lodge, in a statement to LA Weekly, apologized for the song, which he called inappropriate and said does not reflect the group's values.






CreativeDominant -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:35:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

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If you're referring strictly to gang members and their victims, you may be right within that very narrow confine.


According to the cite quoted those numbers reflect murders whether by gangs or individuals.

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Funny how nobody quite glamorizes the "gangsta" lifestyle like blacks do, though...


How many iterations of the Godfather were there? The Klan seems rather proud of thier gang. How many books and movies have been created about the Hells Angels or similar biker gangs. Then of course we ought to ask how many blacks were with Jessie James or Ike Clanton or The Daltons. All of whom have been in the movies and literature.

Three Godfather movies. Did they glamorize the Mafia gang lifestyle? Was there a rush of young people to dress like Sonny or Michael Corleone?

There's an awful lot of movies and books about the Hell's Angels. Not many of them show it to be a very glamorous lifestyle...their women are portrayed as what they are: pieces to be used by the gang members. Their vendettas against others certainly don't appear to be glamorous nor do their run-ins with the cops.

Wild West Outlaw Gangs are generally portrayed as the criminals they were...sympathy is attempted to be evoked for the lead but is that glamorous? Is there anything about those movies that make someone want to be Jesse? Billy?

Ahhhh...but the black gangs. Black kids running around calling themselves "gangsta". Rap videos showing gang members with glamorous women loving up to hooded or capped guys looking like thugs. What was the movie showing (I believe) Denzel Washington as the black gangs leader who beat the white gangsters at their own game? It certainly portrayed him as almost-heroic.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:39:42 AM)


ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Within the perjuryfest article was the note that officer Wilson's testimony was not credible either.

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Quote it.


It is in the DOJ report which was referenced in the article...you haven't read it? I fail to understand why you have not. It is the seminal document of all of these discussions about Ferguson. How is that you seek to discuss this issue from a position of ignorance?

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Have you read the DOJ reports on the shooting or the police department?

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Sorry you lost that one, but you don't get a rematch.




I have read both reports so that would make the one who is ignorant of those documents the looser in your game of no rematch.




Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:49:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

No, you are ignoring the obvious. There are no cops celibrating because there is another dead civilian.

http://filmingcops.com/deader-than-roadkill-cops-sing-and-celebrate-death-of-michael-brown/
Yeah there are.

From your source:

A shocking video has surfaced online showing a police event at a lodge during which police and their families can be heard singing and celebrating the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Yeah, no....

The Glendale, CA Elks Lodge is investigating a shocking incident that went down in the club a week ago Monday, when a performer sang a song celebrating the death of Michael Brown ... for an audience that included a number of retired and current cops

An Elks lodge. Just some police families there. And nobody even seems to be paying much attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHVJCl1_2Y

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/24/us-usa-police-song-idUSKBN0K20JF20141224

A song poking fun at the killing of black teenager Michael Brown by a white policeman, performed at a retired officer's party, has prompted the Los Angeles Police Department to launch an internal investigation, its chief said on Tuesday.
Commenting on the song, Chief Charlie Beck said on Twitter: "Like many of you, I find it offensive & absurd. It does not reflect the values of the #LAPD."

"I have directed our Professional Standards Bureau to look into this & determine if any active department employees were involved."

An LAPD spokesman declined further comment.

The song, which changed the lyrics to "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown", a 1973 hit by American folk rock singer Jim Croce, was performed at a party organized by a retired LAPD officer at an Elks Lodge in the Los Angeles suburb Glendale on Dec. 15, local media reported.

A trustee for the lodge, in a statement to LA Weekly, apologized for the song, which he called inappropriate and said does not reflect the group's values.

Thanks, Lucy.

K.





Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:51:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song?

Was it any less tasteless than the song that prompted your outrage?

Another of your guessing games? Yeah, no thanks. Play with yourself.

K.





Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 10:54:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

It is in the DOJ report which was referenced in the article...

So you were just making shit up again.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Within the perjuryfest article was the note that officer Wilson's testimony was not credible either.

Quote it.

K.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:06:51 AM)

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Three Godfather movies. Did they glamorize the Mafia gang lifestyle?


It most certainly did.


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There's an awful lot of movies and books about the Hell's Angels. Not many of them show it to be a very glamorous lifestyle



Even Hunter S. Thompson glorified them...until he got himself beaten severly by them.


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...their women are portrayed as what they are: pieces to be used by the gang members. Their vendettas against others certainly don't appear to be glamorous nor do their run-ins with the cops.


I got a real kick out of Sonny Barger's brag that he would "never be taken alive" When the cops came for him he put his head down and his hands behind his back and went to the squad car very peaceably.

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Wild West Outlaw Gangs are generally portrayed as the criminals they were...sympathy is attempted to be evoked for the lead but is that glamorous? Is there anything about those movies that make someone want to be Jesse? Billy?


Jessie James is depicted as a hero of the poor farmers against the oligarchy of business interests. When he robbed a bank he would also take all the mortgages and burn them.
Billy the kid has always been depicted as a good kid who wound up on the wrong side of the law through the actions of other villans.

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Ahhhh...but the black gangs. Black kids running around calling themselves "gangsta". Rap videos showing gang members with glamorous women loving up to hooded or capped guys looking like thugs. What was the movie showing (I believe) Denzel Washington as the black gangs leader who beat the white gangsters at their own game? It certainly portrayed him as almost-heroic.


If you are speaking of "American Gangster" his primary enemies were black. Books like Jackie Coopers autobiography depict Al Capon as a hero and defender of the little guy. Arnold Swartzenager associated and worked out with gangsters (Johnny Stampanato)who worked for Micky Cohen and Bugsy Segal.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:08:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Outrage? Outrage? Over a tasteless song?

Was it any less tasteless than the song that prompted your outrage?

Another of your guessing games? Yeah, no thanks. Play with yourself.

K.




It would appear not.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:11:40 AM)

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So you were just making shit up again.


Since you have yet to read the DOJ report It would be the one ignorant of the facts that would be making things up.
Why is it you feel competant to comment on things of which you are completely ignorant.




Kirata -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:17:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Since you have yet to read the DOJ report It would be the one ignorant of the facts that would be making things up.

People who imagine they can read minds are in no position to call others ignorant of the facts.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
Why is it you feel competant to comment on things of which you are completely ignorant.

Why is it that you can never quote the text of any of these things you claim you've read?

K.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:21:07 AM)

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Nothing is more dangerous to a black person in this country than another black person -- not white people, not the police, not skinheads, not anything. Yet the movement devotes itself to endless racist frothing against white people and the police while studiously ignoring the glaring fact that blacks in America, even young children and toddlers, are being routinely slaughtered by other blacks with such shocking abandon that the mayhem accounts for nearly half of our entire national homicide rate. I don't know what their agenda is, but it's abundantly clear that it has nothing to do with giving a fuck about "black lives".


Nothing is more dangerous to a white person in this country than another white person--Not black people,not the police, not the skinheads,not anything. Yet the movement devotes itself to the endless racist frothing agains black people while studiously igonring the glaring fact that whites in America,even young children and toddlers. are being routinely slaughtered by other whites with such shocking abandon that the mayhem accounts for over half of our entire national homicide rate.




BamaD -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:25:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

So we are clear that there are more white gangsters than black gangsters and that they kill more white people than blacks kill black people?

quote:

If you're referring strictly to gang members and their victims, you may be right within that very narrow confine.


According to the cite quoted those numbers reflect murders whether by gangs or individuals.

quote:

Funny how nobody quite glamorizes the "gangsta" lifestyle like blacks do, though...


How many iterations of the Godfather were there? The Klan seems rather proud of thier gang. How many books and movies have been created about the Hells Angels or similar biker gangs. Then of course we ought to ask how many blacks were with Jessie James or Ike Clanton or The Daltons. All of whom have been in the movies and literature.

Three Godfather movies. Did they glamorize the Mafia gang lifestyle? Was there a rush of young people to dress like Sonny or Michael Corleone?

There's an awful lot of movies and books about the Hell's Angels. Not many of them show it to be a very glamorous lifestyle...their women are portrayed as what they are: pieces to be used by the gang members. Their vendettas against others certainly don't appear to be glamorous nor do their run-ins with the cops.

Wild West Outlaw Gangs are generally portrayed as the criminals they were...sympathy is attempted to be evoked for the lead but is that glamorous? Is there anything about those movies that make someone want to be Jesse? Billy?

Ahhhh...but the black gangs. Black kids running around calling themselves "gangsta". Rap videos showing gang members with glamorous women loving up to hooded or capped guys looking like thugs. What was the movie showing (I believe) Denzel Washington as the black gangs leader who beat the white gangsters at their own game? It certainly portrayed him as almost-heroic.


There were movies making the James Gang and Billy as victims/heros.
None praising the James gang in your lifetime.
And the last one making Billy a victim was part of the phase of demonizing western lawmen.




Thegunnysez -> RE: 'Black Lives Matter' is becoming a terrorist group (9/2/2015 11:27:37 AM)


ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Since you have yet to read the DOJ report It would be the one ignorant of the facts that would be making things up.

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People who imagine they can read minds are in no position to call others ignorant of the facts.


Since you claim to be unaware of the fact that the DOJ report found the officers testimony to be not credible that would be prima facia evidence of my observational skills and not what you illogically suppose to be mind reading.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
Why is it you feel competant to comment on things of which you are completely ignorant.

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Why is it that you can never quote the text of any of these things you claim you've read?

K.



Why is it that you come to these discussions armed only with ignorance?




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