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TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 4:26:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

TC,

these people are known as 'enablers'.

They failed in raising their own kids properly and expect the gubblemint to fix those failures for them, while simultaneously demanding everyone else, those with wisdom, vision, and foresight to accept their failed enabling theories and policies which is one of several root causes of parental failure in the first place.

......cant see the forest because all those damn trees are in the way, the solution of course cut down the forest so they can see the trees.... gasp... still no trees...



I think it goes beyond 'enablers.' I mean, maybe it'll get me called a radical feminist, but I'm willing to wear that label for suggesting that teenage girls really shouldn't have to share locker rooms and bathroom facilities with boys - even boys who insist they're girls. At least I think that's the position of radical feminists. Whatever it is, that's hardly a 'doctrinaire conservative' position.

The notion that a 17 year old who identified as a boy mere months ago, and only started using the girls locker room a few weeks ago, actually knows themselves well enough that we should simply accept their assertion that they're a girl without question... I mean, that's not enabling... that's delusional. And the crazy labels that get used... I about spit my drink all over my laptop a couple pages back when it was suggested that I was some sort of Christian... because we all know the guy with the avatar of a dragon clutching an inverted cross MUST be a Christian. LMAO.

For what it's worth, I do understand that Lila has been excused from gym class and now no longer uses the girl's locker room. Hmmm... perhaps getting out of gym class is the motivation for this. Nah... nevermind... no one has EVER wanted to get out of gym class.




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 4:32:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Because only the left is unwilling to even question the presence of a biological male in the girl's locker room.


Do you have some validation that all of the people who protested at the school are republicans and no democrats. It is not in the newspaper article that you have drawn all of this data that you feel support your opinions.


That's the opposite of my assertion. The people protesting at that school are obviously a wide cross section of the community.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 4:42:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

If you are unable to supply any validation for your assertion we will just have to accept that.



More delusional responses, your strawman claims are your own personal delusions that you demand others to answer for you.

Dang man what a way to put any credibility you could have had to waste in a new york second.






Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 4:44:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal

That's the opposite of my assertion. The people protesting at that school are obviously a wide cross section of the community.


Im convinced he is delusional or severely illiterate or lastly just a troll, sorry gunny.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 5:10:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

TC,

these people are known as 'enablers'.

They failed in raising their own kids properly and expect the gubblemint to fix those failures for them, while simultaneously demanding everyone else, those with wisdom, vision, and foresight to accept their failed enabling theories and policies which is one of several root causes of parental failure in the first place.

......cant see the forest because all those damn trees are in the way, the solution of course cut down the forest so they can see the trees.... gasp... still no trees...



I think it goes beyond 'enablers.' I mean, maybe it'll get me called a radical feminist, but I'm willing to wear that label for suggesting that teenage girls really shouldn't have to share locker rooms and bathroom facilities with boys - even boys who insist they're girls. At least I think that's the position of radical feminists. Whatever it is, that's hardly a 'doctrinaire conservative' position.

The notion that a 17 year old who identified as a boy mere months ago, and only started using the girls locker room a few weeks ago, actually knows themselves well enough that we should simply accept their assertion that they're a girl without question... I mean, that's not enabling... that's delusional. And the crazy labels that get used... I about spit my drink all over my laptop a couple pages back when it was suggested that I was some sort of Christian... because we all know the guy with the avatar of a dragon clutching an inverted cross MUST be a Christian. LMAO.

For what it's worth, I do understand that Lila has been excused from gym class and now no longer uses the girl's locker room. Hmmm... perhaps getting out of gym class is the motivation for this. Nah... nevermind... no one has EVER wanted to get out of gym class.



Well look at this gay gene crap which I have said for years was nothing more than politicized bullshit science so gays could live with their decisions. They beat people over the head with this garbage science for years just so they could feel ok with themselves. Same thing is going on here only now its infringing on everyone elses established way of life. Now we will end up with long lines outside of public washrooms because they will all have to be made private with a lock and private locker rooms as well to accommodate the dysphoric little boys among us.

Last thing I would do is give them a solution that allows them mixed with the girls, private bathrooms with locking doors to insure there is no possibility of their feeling being hurt.






Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 5:23:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Im convinced he is delusional or severely illiterate or lastly just a troll, sorry gunny.


Please do not worry about it young man.




Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 5:26:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

quote:

Because only the left is unwilling to even question the presence of a biological male in the girl's locker room.


Do you have some validation that all of the people who protested at the school are republicans and no democrats. It is not in the newspaper article that you have drawn all of this data that you feel support your opinions.


That's the opposite of my assertion. The people protesting at that school are obviously a wide cross section of the community.


Opinions vary




TheCabal -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 5:30:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

TC,

these people are known as 'enablers'.

They failed in raising their own kids properly and expect the gubblemint to fix those failures for them, while simultaneously demanding everyone else, those with wisdom, vision, and foresight to accept their failed enabling theories and policies which is one of several root causes of parental failure in the first place.

......cant see the forest because all those damn trees are in the way, the solution of course cut down the forest so they can see the trees.... gasp... still no trees...



I think it goes beyond 'enablers.' I mean, maybe it'll get me called a radical feminist, but I'm willing to wear that label for suggesting that teenage girls really shouldn't have to share locker rooms and bathroom facilities with boys - even boys who insist they're girls. At least I think that's the position of radical feminists. Whatever it is, that's hardly a 'doctrinaire conservative' position.

The notion that a 17 year old who identified as a boy mere months ago, and only started using the girls locker room a few weeks ago, actually knows themselves well enough that we should simply accept their assertion that they're a girl without question... I mean, that's not enabling... that's delusional. And the crazy labels that get used... I about spit my drink all over my laptop a couple pages back when it was suggested that I was some sort of Christian... because we all know the guy with the avatar of a dragon clutching an inverted cross MUST be a Christian. LMAO.

For what it's worth, I do understand that Lila has been excused from gym class and now no longer uses the girl's locker room. Hmmm... perhaps getting out of gym class is the motivation for this. Nah... nevermind... no one has EVER wanted to get out of gym class.



Well look at this gay gene crap which I have said for years was nothing more than politicized bullshit science so gays could live with their decisions. They beat people over the head with this garbage science for years just so they could feel ok with themselves. Same thing is going on here only now its infringing on everyone elses established way of life. Now we will end up with long lines outside of public washrooms because they will all have to be made private with a lock and private locker rooms as well to accommodate the dysphoric little boys among us.

Last thing I would do is give them a solution that allows them mixed with the girls, private bathrooms with locking doors to insure there is no possibility of their feeling being hurt.



I'm willing to accept the possibility of a 'gay gene.' It really doesn't matter anymore, anyway - and this thread is the reason why it's irrelevant. We know that someone's physical sex IS controlled by genetics. It's not just a gene, but a whole chromosome full of genes that give you a penis or a vagina.

The transsexual community insists that you can be the opposite sex IN SPITE of your genes. Heck, according to Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal and Ward Churchill, you can also be another race in spite of your genes now. So, logically, you can be straight IN SPITE of your gay genes.

The belief that we can choose our sex but not our sexual preference... now there's some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance. Genetics don't mean squat anymore.

You know, I think we see this across this website. You've got to be at least a little bit of a freak to even sign up here. Certain things turn me on that don't do anything for (or disgust) most people. But it seems silly for me to try to claim that my arousal at seeing a woman locked in a collar, and wearing a corset and heels is genetic. Millions of years of evolution didn't create a high heel fetish gene, or a rubber fetish gene. It's just what I like. And that's fine. That's all the justification I need and should need.




kdsub -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 5:56:36 PM)

Its typical of you to form incorrect conclusions from your facts...The best minds in the investigating science of homosexuality almost universally agree that homosexuality is most likely a combination of multiple genes interacting along with the environment...The quote below is taken from an NPR discussion with two of the preeminent scientists in the field.

"The search for a single dominant gene--the "O-GOD" (one gene, one disorder) hypothesis--that would influence a behavioral variant is likely to be fruitless. Many different genes, together with many different environmental factors, will interact in unpredictable ways to guide behavioral preferences. Each component will contribute small quanta of influence. One result of such a quantum theory of behavior is that it makes irrelevant the overstretched speculations of both Hamer and LeVay about why a gene for homosexuality still exists when it apparently has little apparent survival value in evolutionary terms. The quest for a teleological explanation to identify a reason for the existence of a "gay gene" becomes pointless when one understands that there is not now, and never was, a single and final reason for being gay or straight, or having any other identity along the continuum of sexual preference."

The bottom line is they just do not know at this time and they DO NOT exclude genes as a contributing factor in homosexuality... What NONE of them say that I can find is your sexuality is a choice.

Let me ask you RealOne...are you gay?




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 6:08:56 PM)

so did I miss the link or didnt you post one?

oh and btw, my sexual leanings are completely irrelevant to the subject matter of this discussion. However the reasons I put forth are.

Its the reasoning you need to defeat. Your above post with exception to your personal questions which will get you nowhere, may be a start to defeating the reasoning but that remains to be seen.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 6:37:59 PM)

FR

Maybe its the Jews fault since they did after all write the bible [8|]



The Origin of the "Gay" Identity
"Uranians of the World, Unite!

(Activist Slogan)


A little over one-hundred and fifty years ago, the first concept of an inborn
"homosexual" condition began to circulate in Germany. Prior to this time there is no known record of any human being ever claiming to have been born with
same-sex attractions (SSA). The originator of the novel concept was Karl
Heinrich Ulrichs (1825-95). Ulrichs, the "grandfather of the world 'gay' rights movement" was a lawyer, political activist, and known pedophile.

Heinrich Ulrichs (1825-95). Ulrichs, the "grandfather of the world 'gay7 rights movement" was a lawyer, political activist, and known pedophile. At the age of fourteen Ulrichs was seduced by his riding instructor, a man about thirty years old.1

Observers familiar with the high correlation between childhood sexual molestation and adult same-sex attraction might conclude that this youthful experience was the cause of Ulrichs's fixation.

Prior to this, men and women who engage in same-gender sex acts were known as "sodomites," "pederasts," or "Knabenschaender" (literally, boy ravishers).3
Ulrichs and Kertbeny understood that public opposition to sodomy sprang from the people's understanding of it as an unnatural and irrational act.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf


meantime there is some interesting reading for you.




kdsub -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 7:44:42 PM)

Come on Real... DR Z's BLOG a religious nut case... give me a fuckin break... Where are the 8 studies... where in the studies do they say genes are NOT a factor in homosexuality... lets see them... You won't be able to because there is not such conclusion by reputable scientist... Atomic energy for the UN... oh yea he will be a great genetic expert... I'll take NPR that lists the references.

The paragraph I posted agrees that they have not found one gene...so far... that dictates homosexuality... but this does not exclude a combination of genes and environment factors... your link is shit science...You have no scientific basis to claim there is NO link between genes and homosexuality except a shit link that posts no references.

Why will you not answer are you a homosexual? I will tell I am not now be honest how about you.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/

Butch





Thegunnysez -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 8:19:36 PM)

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That's all the justification I need and should need.


We are all so very happy that you have resolved your sexual identity without recourse to therapy or surgery. Sadly not everyone is as self actualized as your post presumes you to be.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/4/2015 11:11:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Come on Real... DR Z's BLOG a religious nut case... give me a fuckin break... Where are the 8 studies... where in the studies do they say genes are NOT a factor in homosexuality... lets see them... You won't be able to because there is not such conclusion by reputable scientist... Atomic energy for the UN... oh yea he will be a great genetic expert... I'll take NPR that lists the references.

The paragraph I posted agrees that they have not found one gene...so far... that dictates homosexuality... but this does not exclude a combination of genes and environment factors... your link is shit science...You have no scientific basis to claim there is NO link between genes and homosexuality except a shit link that posts no references.

Why will you not answer are you a homosexual? I will tell I am not now be honest how about you.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/

Butch





Still running the fruitless path of trying to kill the messenger rather than rebutting the message proves how weak your position is. LOL

Its not real difficult to simply interview genetically identical twins and how they were raised to note only 15% both had gay leanings.

If it were gene related at all the outcome should have been identical, or at least closer to 80%.

My above post was how the gay gene thing got started, by an attorney who wanted to justify his gay leanings and force them upon everyone else. He was a pedophile too.

Of course there is a link since its the genes that determines if the body is going to be human, and the gay human is what we are talking about after all. I never make such a claim and you are resorting to gunny style strawman tactics. Look where it got him.

So you would need to explain how come identical twins dont both end up gay or not gay being raised in the same environment. Whats the next big gay dud we are supposed to hang our hats on? Lots of gay genes? Well twins have lots of genes but they didnt seem to have gay genes for some odd reason.








tweakabelle -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/5/2015 1:40:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Come on Real... DR Z's BLOG a religious nut case... give me a fuckin break... Where are the 8 studies... where in the studies do they say genes are NOT a factor in homosexuality... lets see them... You won't be able to because there is not such conclusion by reputable scientist... Atomic energy for the UN... oh yea he will be a great genetic expert... I'll take NPR that lists the references.

The paragraph I posted agrees that they have not found one gene...so far... that dictates homosexuality... but this does not exclude a combination of genes and environment factors... your link is shit science...You have no scientific basis to claim there is NO link between genes and homosexuality except a shit link that posts no references.

Why will you not answer are you a homosexual? I will tell I am not now be honest how about you.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/

Butchw



Sorry Butch but people are on thin ice scientifically as well as metaphorically when they insist that there is, or might be, a genetic cause for the current batch of sexuality classifications.

There is no good evidence that I am aware of (and I have a pretty good grasp of the literature) that leads to the conclusion that human sexual behaviour is genetically determined. In fact there are grounds for questioning whether sexualities are rigid phenomena determined by single factors genetic or otherwise.

The current model of understanding/classifying sexual behaviour (hetero-, homo- and bi-sexual) is a relatively recent invention dating from c1870. As sexuality is demarcated by the genitals/gender of one's preferred object choice, sexuality is a sub set of gender, intimately related on some levels but unrelated and widely diverging on others. This model rejects the notion of fluidity or mobility and insists that the object of ones attraction is fixed and immutable from infancy.

Perhaps the best evidence of the fluidity of sex/gender/sexuality identity is the guevedoche ( "eggs at 12") children in the Dominican Republic. These children are assigned female gender at birth but at puberty their testicles drop and they become boys. The physical cause is a recessive gene that produces 5 alpha reductose testosterone that is usually activated in utero but in these cases only becomes active at puberty. However as the children are re-assigned as boys they experience no psychological issues adjusting to their new gender. Typically they get married and produce children of their own.

According to all the orthodox theories of gender identity development, this seamless adjustment is impossible. Theorists insist that any tampering with a child's gender identity is fraught with danger, something to be avoided at all costs for fear of creating devastating psychological damage. Yet these children achieve the changeover without any apparent damage. Clearly the theory needs modification. It ought to be noted that these children's (sexual) object choices also change along with their gender, so both gender and sexual identities undergo radical reconstructions.

Whatever the reason, as these children successfully maintain both male and female gender identities at various parts of their lives, it follows that in these cases, there is no necessary relationship between their genetic inheritance, their lived genders and their sexual object choices .

For non-specialists, the best book on this subject I have come across is Professor of Biology and Gender Studies at Brown University, Anne Fausto-Sterling's " Myths of gender: biological theories about women and men". (1992) .New York: Basic Books. Fausto-Sterling demolishes the mythical connection between genetics and gender/sexual behaviour comprehensively in an accessible easy to understand style. If you are interested in this subject, I strongly recommend it.




kdsub -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/5/2015 9:26:57 AM)

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Sorry Butch but people are on thin ice scientifically as well as metaphorically when they insist that there is, or might be, a genetic cause for the current batch of sexuality classifications.


You are wrong about me when you say that...but...If the best minds in genetic research say they believe that genetics DOES play a part along with environmental factors in homosexuality...then I will wait before I say there is NO connection like RealOne is saying.

Remember in RealOnes link... from Doc Z blog the presenter was absolutely saying there was NO connection between genes and homosexuality... and at this time it is simply unproven either way.

I tried to get the chicken to tell me is orientation because he claims , according to his blog, that Homosexuality is a choice. If he is straight I wanted to ask him if he could take a man in his arms and make love to him... if he could suck a cock or open his legs to anal sex... if he says no then does he still think it is a choice... if he says yes and he is straight he is a lair... There is NO choice, other than to deny desires, in homosexuality.


Butch




Kirata -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/5/2015 9:32:42 AM)


Returning to the thread topic: Perry is a boy, and every bit as much a boy now as he was the day before he decided that he wasn't. Which facilities it is correct to use is a matter of sex, not felt or self-conceived gender. He hasn't transitioned yet, hormonally or surgically. For him to claim to be a "girl" and demand to use the Ladies room is no different than if he was claiming to be a cat and demanding that the school provide him with a litter box and assign staff to keep it clean.

Moreover, precisely how does one becomes a "girl" in a boy's body in the first place? You are your body. So who is this girl? A spirit? A soul? Are we legislating metaphysics now? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, of course, and if he wants to run around wearing a wig and a dress that's his business. He can stick a tongue-depressor up his ass and claim to be a popsicle if he likes. But when he starts demanding refrigerated classrooms so he doesn't melt, the answer is "No".

K.






tweakabelle -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/6/2015 3:45:01 AM)

Leaving Kirata's transgenic fixation (or should that be 'fascination'?) aside and rejoining the real world, here's how to handle this issue properly :
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/09/05/pupils-give-a-warm-welcome-back-to-trans-classmate/

It's all pretty simple and unproblematic when done with a little thought. foresight and generosity. It's sad that asking this of some people is asking too much, though in the final analysis, the problem is all theirs, it exists mainly in the head of people who refuse to behave with any generosity of spirit. I hope they get over it.




PeonForHer -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/6/2015 6:22:49 AM)

Where is that school, Tweakabelle? I couldn't see it on the webpage.




Real0ne -> RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri (9/6/2015 8:10:30 AM)

Tweak,
If I remember the story correctly the school did allow the little boy to use the teachers restroom but no that wasnt good enough for little lila.

Little lila however demanded to use the genetic girls restroom while all the genetic girls were in the restroom and/or all the genetic girls in the lockeroom.

Well the genetic girls took issue with that.

Seems to me the problem was solved by the faculty,

quote:

There were two groups of demonstrators. One on the side of transgender student, Lila Perry, using the female facilities. The other group wants her to use the faculty’s gender neutral restroom.


however kd decided to claim it was beyond little lilas control, that it is genetic and anyone who does not agree with that is an unenlightened pompous bigot.

When kd discovered kd was in fact that the one was the one who was unenlightened pompous and pushing bullshit, kd then decided to make it personal by attempting to level a political attack on me personally which inevitably failed, only to make a fool out of itself instead, as can be seen in its latest post where it finalizes its claims by enlightening us with: nothing is 'really' something. (Everyone just needs to look at it from the proper cross-eyed head up ass perspective) [8D]

...and additionally, Kirata brings up many important elements that need to be answered, yet go unanswered in fact ignored entirely.











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