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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 10:25:44 AM   
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Bold, color and size mine, to highlight even more misogyny.


Why do you persist in shouting?
Can't you make your point with mere words, like the rest of us do?

If you don't want such bigoted comments highlighted for others in such a way, then don't make them.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 10:27:58 AM   
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I honestly think we have an arpig situation going on here...


I wasn't on the forums then, but I read about it on Fet. That was some nasty crap. I hope this isn't that.

edited to fix typo

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 10:31:45 AM   
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I would guess that you need attention. Even negative attention is better than none, right?


Exactly why I quit trying to discuss anything with him.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 10:33:08 AM   
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crumpets is a misogynist, bless his heart. It's like a crippling disease. He can't help it. We should start a fund.

He's Little Nicky with a thesaurus and way too much free time on his hands.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 11:57:08 AM   
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Those who resort to calling others 'dumb' (or equivalent) usually do so because they perceive themselves to have mastered complex ideas, yet are unable to grasp the intricacies of the concepts they're dealing with with enough mastery to break down the idea into its smaller parts so that it may become comprehensible to the masses. Sometimes this is because the idea they think they've grasped is wrong and faulty to begin with, other times this is due to the fact that they simple lack the intellect themselves to be able to break down the idea into smaller concepts.


This is what I said earlier. We're all dumb because he can't make his thoughts clear. Suuuuuuuuuuure.


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Bold, color and size mine, to highlight even more misogyny.


Why do you persist in shouting?
Can't you make your point with mere words, like the rest of us do?

If you don't want such bigoted comments highlighted for others in such a way, then don't make them.


Exactly so!


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crumpets is a misogynist, bless his heart. It's like a crippling disease. He can't help it. We should start a fund.

He's Little Nicky with a thesaurus and way too much free time on his hands.


*gigglesnorts*

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/17/2015 1:37:55 PM   
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Sorry. I know this is from a few days ago but I was looking for a lead in about numbers.
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I tried eharmony once and it seemed like there were more women.

OKCupid has gotten harder and harder to use but seems like there are more women there too than some other sites.

I don't know about Match or POF.

My biggest complaint here is you can't filter out pros or some other criteria. If you could you would see a different ratio.

I don't know anything about the other sites. I'm on FL but I'm not on any of the others because, dating site. I'm married and poly, so I suppose I could be on POF. I pass.

As far as CM/CS goes, with eleven years in, I don't know if you could possibly get a reliable ratio. AM had employees behind quite a few of the female profiles. While some have suggested over the years that this site did the same thing, this site itself really wouldn't have to. Members do it, themselves. Something AM didn't have because paying for accounts tends to keep that down.

On the other hand, here you've had eleven years worth creating fake profiles, multiple profiles, profiles that get created and then abandoned, (sometimes just by guys who want to see what happens in email as a female profile) and who knows what else. All of these sites want it to look like there are more females because it helps in the advertising rates department.

It's an old-fashioned example but the premise is still good. Why is there Ladies Night at the bar? Get the women into the establishment and the (het) men will follow.

If the forum side is any indicator of activity level, I'd be doubtful if the site is getting as much in selling ads as the once did. Maybe the profile side is fairing better. From what I read on the other site, I find it to be highly unlikely.



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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/18/2015 2:35:27 AM   
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The only thing that hurts me is realizing that the vast majority of people on this forum are of below average IQ.
This hurts because they have the most idiotic of ideas - almost all borne of sheer ignorance, like yours.


I find it interesting that you would steep to the level of attacking other people's intelligence. Not because the point that a significant portion of people have a below average IQ isn't true (statistically speaking it is true, by definition, for half of the population) but because in my experience, people who actually are of noteworthy intelligence*1 understand that most other people naturally capable of the same things they are, and aren't naturally capable of the same leaps*2 in logic they are.

Instead of blaming this naturally born lack of capacity on the person in question, and calling it stuff like "sheer ignorance", which blames the person in question, they're more than willing to slow down, back up and actually talk through their thinking process in a manner that makes it comphrehencible to those less capable*2. In fact, the very essence of high intelligence is the capability to break down complex ideas into smaller parts.
Somebody of lesser intelligence might be able to grasp complex ideas with a lot of effort, but they'll never be able to grasp the ideas enough to break them down in less complex parts in order to share/spread it to others.

Those who resort to calling others 'dumb' (or equivalent) usually do so because they perceive themselves to have mastered complex ideas, yet are unable to grasp the intricacies of the concepts they're dealing with with enough mastery to break down the idea into its smaller parts so that it may become comprehensible to the masses. Sometimes this is because the idea they think they've grasped is wrong and faulty to begin with, other times this is due to the fact that they simple lack the intellect themselves to be able to break down the idea into smaller concepts.

Either way, these people usually suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect where they vastly overestimate their own level of intellect, precisely because of their own insufficiency in the area.

People with actual noteworthy intelligence*1 don't blame people who don't have this for being dumb (or equivalent), instead they grasp other's limitations and are capable of presenting important ideas with enough ease so that others may also be able to understand them.
Resorting to calling others dumb (or equivalent) when one is unable to make their point, actually is one of the strongest indicators out there that one lacks the intelligence necessary to grasp the point one is attempting to make with enough easy to claim to have achieved mastery of the idea one is presenting...

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*1 For the context of this post "noteworthy intelligence" is defined as "anybody whose IQ is high enough so that the 'average person' is closer in IQ to a bonobo than they are to them".

*2 By "leaps in logic" I mean intelligent people's tendency to be able to make jumps such as A -> D -> M, whereas most people need to go A -> B -> C -> D -> ... to follow the same train of thought, not "leaps in logic" as in "drawing unfounded conclusions".





I was waiting for an opportunity to use "lady boner", which I love, and this gave me one.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/18/2015 5:42:27 AM   
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Maybe after they fix the picture loading feature on the train wreck thread, they could give us a lady boner smiley.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/18/2015 10:13:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

There's another thread about M-F ratios, but look at the startling numbers for Ashley Madison. See below.

Ratio of Male to Female users from the Ashley Madison hacking:

37 Million Male Accounts to 12 Thousand Female Accounts

That's a ratio of 3,083 to 1 (M to F).


^^^^ Got this from Bill Maher

And (it gets better) ---

Ashley Madison faked female profiles to lure men in, hacked data suggest

But the user records laid bare by hackers last week tell a very different story: Of the more than 35 million records released, only 5 million — a mere 15 percent — actually belonged to women.

This discrepancy may be the smoking gun that proves something angry users, industry insiders and government watchdogs have alleged for some time: that when it comes to reporting their own user numbers, paid-dating sites distort, manipulate … and sometimes straight-up lie.

“Ashley Madison has paid people to write profiles, and they’ve allowed fake profiles to proliferate on their site,” said David Evans, an industry consultant who has contracted with Ashley Madison in the past and has tracked the business of online dating since 2002. “Tons of sites are guilty of that. That’s not news.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/25/ashley-madison-faked-female-profiles-to-lure-men-in-hacked-data-suggest/



Ashley Madison was nothing more than a scam directed at stupid horny men. If you wanted to have an affair with a married woman, you could find one more easily on OK cupid or Craigslist than Ashley Madison. But that has little to do with online dating. I know lots of sincere women who want to meet someone online. The problem isn't a man-woman-numbers thing. The problem is that its hard to find someone you connect with, and that's true for men and women

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 9:17:01 AM   
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Wait, I shouldn't have responded positively to you. It might make it look like you were pandering.

Fuck it. Welcome to the boards.


It's okay.

I took what you said as an insult anyway.

Now I feel welcome!


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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 9:37:50 AM   
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The odd personal comment aside, I have really enjoyed this thread.

There's something fascinating about how women and men seek (and don't always get) what they are looking for (or in some cases what they think they are looking for).

The millions of men must have included huge numbers of fantasists, who would have run a mile if they had been successful. I've never met anyone, male or female, who hasn't succeeded in cheating if they really want to. That of course may include a personal commitment not to be creepy, to settle for less than film star looks or to make a bit more effort than swiping your phone or clicking your mouse.

What we are left with is a global fraud, with poor information governance. Who's have thought it? It's almost as distasteful as the lack of shame in openly selling yourself as a dishonest coward with a hard on.

Lots of people cheat. Whether it's an inevitable part of human nature, which we should sympathise with, or shameful dishonesty, surely you can't be surprised when building a website as a money making temple to it, attracts a ton of karma, with interest?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 2:40:58 PM   
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Yes, I kknow there are plenty of fakes on Ashley Madison. And every real woman on there gets hundreds of messages. But, I've had sex with four women I contacted through that site. One several times. Two that I decided I didn't want to meet again and one that after the first time got scared. Met with another that we decided we weren't a good match. Talked to several that fell through on line. It's tough and competition is keen but you can hook up on there.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 8:59:53 PM   
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I've had sex with four women I contacted through that site. One several times.


Heh heh heh ... what is the definition of an "affair" to you?

HINT: Is it just "sex"?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 9:18:33 PM   
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ashly maddison is not unusual for the ratio just look at any similar site even craigslist and see how many more males are looking for sex than females

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/19/2015 9:51:55 PM   
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ashly maddison is not unusual for the ratio just look at any similar site even craigslist and see how many more males are looking for sex than females

Actually, someone (I forget who it was) astutely (or so it seemed at the time) boldly determined with near mathematical certainty, that the ratio of men to women seeking a hookup was on the order of one-to-one, simply because, in their impeccable logic, it takes two, and only two, to tango.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/20/2015 3:54:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ashly maddison is not unusual for the ratio just look at any similar site even craigslist and see how many more males are looking for sex than females

Actually, someone (I forget who it was) astutely (or so it seemed at the time) boldly determined with near mathematical certainty, that the ratio of men to women seeking a hookup was on the order of one-to-one, simply because, in their impeccable logic, it takes two, and only two, to tango.


Bullshit.

What you asserted was that men want sex more. People disagreed, and gave you reason, personal experience, and science to show why you were off base.

You were also given explanations of the numbers on sites like this that includes things like:

* Men make many more than one profile.
* Women don't need to actually create profiles or post ads to get laid.
* Women's ads get reported by men as spam, fake and so on MUCH more than men's (the butthurt is strong), resulting in take-downs, while male ads stay up (CL, but also other adult sites I've been on.)
* And on AM, specifically, the list showed only PAID accounts, while women could use nearly all of AM's services free. (duh)

So, keep believing what you want. There is no chance of anyone changing your mind. However, lying to others on the boards about what happened to cast yourself in a better light is truly desperate.


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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/21/2015 6:21:40 PM   
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Bullshit.

Eloquent.
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What you asserted was that men want sex more. People disagreed, and gave you reason, personal experience, and science to show why you were off base.

OK. I was way off base.
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
* Men make many more than one profile.
* Women don't need to actually create profiles or post ads to get laid.
* Women's ads get reported by men as spam, fake and so on MUCH more than men's (the butthurt is strong), resulting in take-downs, while male ads stay up (CL, but also other adult sites I've been on.)
* And on AM, specifically, the list showed only PAID accounts, while women could use nearly all of AM's services free. (duh)


I agree with everything above.
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
There is no chance of anyone changing your mind.

I must disagree with that assertion that I can't learn from others.
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
However, lying to others on the boards about what happened to cast yourself in a better light is truly desperate.

What are you talking about?
It was sarcasm.
You missed it even though it was dripping with sarcasm.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/22/2015 4:04:01 AM   
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What are you talking about?
It was sarcasm.
You missed it even though it was dripping with sarcasm.


Yeah. You go with that.

Next it will be social experiment. And a huffy flounce.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Bold, color and size mine, to highlight even more misogyny.


Why do you persist in shouting?
Can't you make your point with mere words, like the rest of us do?


Hypocrisy, thy name is crumpets. *grins*

Stooping to such crass levels! For shame.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/23/2015 9:47:44 PM   
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I'm bored with this thread since there's nothing new presented in a long while, but, just to edify others, an only partially related Ashley Madison technical topic is that this setting is what got some of the Ashley Madison profiles in trouble in that it revealed 11 million passwords, in the clear.

http://www.collarchat.com/editprofile.asp
Save my login and password as Cookie?
What happened was that cookie generated a hash, which was stored on the AM site, which was taken with the data, which allowed anyone with the data to use that hash to recover your password due to a bug in the open-source code that most web sites use.

My suggestion?
Disable that option in your collarchat profile so that the same thing doesn't happen to you here.

EDIT: Added links to back up the reason for the suggestion.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/30/2015 3:38:53 PM   
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You are single because there aren't enough men.
http://www.vice.com/read/youre-single-because-there-arent-enough-men-253

There is interesting information in that article if you're a college-educated woman seeking a college-educated guy with respect to hugely slanted ratios (given the 60:40 female:male ratios, the odds are not in the ladies' favor).

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Not long after he turned 30, the writer Jon Birger realized he and his wife knew a lot of women like that. The couple didn't have a lot of single male friends left, but the many single women they knew all seemed to be buyers stuck in a seller's market. One of those friends, Birger told me, "had been dating a guy for a couple years. It certainly seemed like they were well on their way to getting married. She was in her late 30s, he was in his mid 40s. She really wants to have kids, get married, the whole [thing]. And she's amazing in every way."

One day at lunch, Birger casually asked her about her boyfriend. "Her whole expression changed," Birger recalled. They had just broken up. "They'd been dating for over two years and he said he 'just wasn't ready to settle down.'"

This got Birger, a former economics writer for Fortune and Money, thinking: How could a man of that age be so cavalier about casting aside such an amazing woman? And why do we all have similar stories of incredible female friends trapped for years in dating hell? Why are there so many great single women? Where are all the great single men?



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