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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 7:14:52 AM

focalss

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I tried eharmony once and it seemed like there were more women.

OKCupid has gotten harder and harder to use but seems like there are more women there too than some other sites.

I don't know about Match or POF.

My biggest complaint here is you can't filter out pros or some other criteria. If you could you would see a different ratio.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 7:35:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: focalss

I tried eharmony once and it seemed like there were more women.

OKCupid has gotten harder and harder to use but seems like there are more women there too than some other sites.

I don't know about Match or POF.

My biggest complaint here is you can't filter out pros or some other criteria. If you could you would see a different ratio.

Most of those other sites you mentioned are for a completely different set of clientele with different criteria.
And if you aren't in the USA, most of the search criteria just doesn't work on here.

It needs a big overhaul - that's something most of us here agree on.
But hey.... it's free!
If ya don't like it - ask for a refund.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 8:30:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: focalss

I tried eharmony once and it seemed like there were more women.

OKCupid has gotten harder and harder to use but seems like there are more women there too than some other sites.

I don't know about Match or POF.

My biggest complaint here is you can't filter out pros or some other criteria. If you could you would see a different ratio.

I think the real issue here is that without the pros and sex workers, there would be very very few women at all on this site. From what I've observed, this isn't so much a young woman's gig. And if all the site had to offer were middle aged women, which appear to me to be the bulk of the non-pro women here, there wouldn't be any men after awhile. Kinky as we middle aged women may be, we aren't that much of a lure to sustain the site

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 9:37:45 AM

focalss

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Interesting take on things as since I am over 50 I really don't see too many single women in my age group.

As to sex workers I think a lot transition into DS as they get older because it involves less actual sex for them and there is more demand.

Without enough women at some point every one of these sites will fail except FL because they are not geared to finding matches but more to discussion a la a facebook model. I do feel this is a better site overall for bdsm related people than FL which I really am starting to detest if you want to talk about fakes.

I'd like to see the FTC do an investigation into Ashley Madison as to the fake profiles and misleading statements about members. I did sign up for a free account and get notifications of new members profiles which now seem to be made up or for "entertainment." I tried to delete the account but couldn't figure out how to stop the notifications.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 9:04:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
I think the real issue here is that without the pros and sex workers, there would be very very few women at all on this site.

This is an intelligent observation!

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 9:25:05 PM

crumpets

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ORIGINAL: focalss
I'd like to see the FTC do an investigation into Ashley Madison as to the fake profiles and misleading statements about members. I did sign up for a free account and get notifications of new members profiles which now seem to be made up or for "entertainment." I tried to delete the account but couldn't figure out how to stop the notifications.

I'd also like to see FTC/Attorney General investigative results, because it appears AM actively promoted the female count, at the same time that AM apparently fabricated females at a rate that might even out the dearth of real female babies in China.

As another affront to the AM management team, apparently Cynosure Prime reported last Thursday that they easily cracked 11.2 million of the bcrypt-hashed AM passwords which were published as a result of the last data dump.

Cynosure Prime found a bug in open source code that AM used to automatically generate a login key upon user account creation (and regenerated upon password changes) where Cynosure Prime simply attacked the related case-insensitive token instead of more directly cracking the slow bcrypt password hashes themselves.

Basically, that meant that ANY LOGIN CREATED ON ANY WEB SITE PRIOR TO A CERTAIN DATE is vulnerable to the same approach, if that web site used the commonly available open source GIT software.

Worse yet, Cynosure Prime found a second bug in the open source GIT code where they could just as easily recover the password in cleartext for anyone who simply changed their email address (or username, or password). This is because the related loginkey needed to be regenerated by the AM site using this second set of similarly buggy open source GIT code.

End result?

Given just these two (now well known) bugs, about 1/3 of all the AM accounts fell into this situation - so note to self - change your password immediately on ALL web sites that use GIT open source code!

BTW, as a helpful aside, one very useful password generator and secure safe for passwords is "keepass" freeware, available at:
http://keepass.info/help/base/security.html

Even though I don't have an AM account, as anyone who has eyeballs can see, our Collarspace logins and texts aren't even encrypted, so, that lack of the basics behooves you to be forewarned, and therefore you must change your password frequently, and never re-use a password.

The lesson is to never fully trust any web site to keep any of your information secure (so don't put personally identifiable information in your profile or mails).

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 9:43:06 PM

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And if all the site had to offer were middle aged women, which appear to me to be the bulk of the non-pro women here, there wouldn't be any men after awhile. Kinky as we middle aged women may be, we aren't that much of a lure to sustain the site

Obviously, I can't speak for this site, but there are plenty of younger men seeking older women out there on every single ISO-In Search Of site I've been on. However, these younger men leave much to be desired by any lady seeking a serious relationship and not some quickie hook-up or fuckbuddy deal.

See, the thing is, many of us middle-aged gals have a difficult time finding single, available men our own age who act mature enough to bother responding to. Men of substance and admirable character are damned scarce. (And, no doubt, they may feel the same as we do.)
Older men are not much of an improvement either, from all appearances, in terms of trying their hand at playing the field.

Here at CS (based on what I've heard from both female AND male submissives), many male subs constantly approach female subs of all age brackets in the hopes of getting (service) Topped. Their rationale is that a submissive female should be eager and willing to do whatever they want!!!

Even younger Doms will approach me, despite the fact that my profile makes it crystal clear that I am not looking for a Dominant nor for a Top. These are not just the ones who don't bother to read profiles either because their message content often indicates that they have actually skimmed it over.

There are desperate dudes everywhere we wimmens go, which simply makes them all the more unattractive and unappealing to those of us who are relationship-minded and don't want to settle for less than what we know we deserve to embrace into our lives.

DreamLady

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/13/2015 9:52:20 PM

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How condescending to imply that his opinions can only be naïveté or "playing to the crowd.

My thought process is pure logic.

Mathematically defensible.

Those are the only two options that satisfy the facts of the situation.

The guy either knew about the epigram, or he didn't.

Longwayhome still hasn't replied which one it is, so, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was merely sucking up to the crowd and not actually that he was really as ignorant as he tried to make himself out to be.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
You thinking that men are "well versed" for being aware of a stupid comment that everyone on the planet has heard, just shows ignorance.

You think that the well-known paradoxical witticism is merely a stupid comment, and that's your right to blindly think that.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Your narrow mindedness and negativity is actually appalling.

You're the one shooting the messenger; not me.
I happen to be the open-minded one, who at least knows of the proverb.

If I have opened your eyes to the enigma of reality, yet, you don't happen to like that stark reality - what is your logic in declaring that this knowledge that you don't possess, somehow, makes "me" narrow minded?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 2:50:48 AM

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Crumpets, my fellow participant, I think I made my views quite clear in previous posts.

Interesting trolling technique though to try to get someone you clearly see as an opponent to rise to the bait by giving them unappealing choices as a rationale for their actions or opinions.

The only explanation must be that I'm either ignorant, naive or playing to the crowd.

In fact it's quite simple, I just have a different view of the world to you.

I will write further when I think I have something to contribute, but just as you have no obligation to read and respond to my posts, neither do I with regard to yours. Incidentally it also doesn't make me a lesser person if I chose not to respond to every provocation. This has been an interesting and varied thread. I dare say I may contribute again, but time will tell.

In the meantime, thank you for your interest in my posts.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 2:52:45 AM

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Oh and crumpets, thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I really appreciate it.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 4:14:41 AM

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Interesting trolling technique though to try to get someone you clearly see as an opponent to rise to the bait by giving them unappealing choices as a rationale for their actions or opinions.

The only explanation must be that I'm either ignorant, naive or playing to the crowd.

In fact it's quite simple, I just have a different view of the world to you.

What I find more interesting (not) is that a man who just a few short months ago was intent on trying to convince everyone what an exemplary service-oriented sub he is, was kissing up to every single FemDom stereotype there is, based upon his massive inventory of BDSM porn sites he frequents. . . must have had a rude awakening recently that his self-serving tactics at tooting his own horn was not giving him the results he had assumed they should from his statistical reckoning.

He has been outing himself with gusto lately with his own peculiar brand of shallow, thinly veiled misogynistic rhetoric.

Along with the prolific number of CM/CS profiles he has concocted over the years, he has made himself into the poster "boy" for Least Wanted Clueless Male Submissive Who Never Was and Will Never Become, i.e. Unfit for Ownership.

Consider it an unofficial honor that you don't belong to his card-carrying club of one [splintered personality], kinda like the 21st Century Schizoid Man of King Crimson fame.

DreamLady

Edited to Add - P.S. Consider it a backhanded compliment that he sees you as a rival and feels threatened by the *competition*.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 6:08:30 AM

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And, also to be clear: I'm not trying to convince HIM of anything. That's rarely my goal. My goal is to communicate with others who read this board, who may see his statements and think they are OK, without a dissenting voice giving them another thought process to work with.

*smiles*

And those of us who just shake their heads at him appreciate it!

I love to be appreciated! *grins*

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 8:01:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Interesting trolling technique though to try to get someone you clearly see as an opponent to rise to the bait by giving them unappealing choices as a rationale for their actions or opinions.

The only explanation must be that I'm either ignorant, naive or playing to the crowd.

In fact it's quite simple, I just have a different view of the world to you.

What I find more interesting (not) is that a man who just a few short months ago was intent on trying to convince everyone what an exemplary service-oriented sub he is, was kissing up to every single FemDom stereotype there is, based upon his massive inventory of BDSM porn sites he frequents. . . must have had a rude awakening recently that his self-serving tactics at tooting his own horn was not giving him the results he had assumed they should from his statistical reckoning.

He has been outing himself with gusto lately with his own peculiar brand of shallow, thinly veiled misogynistic rhetoric.

Along with the prolific number of CM/CS profiles he has concocted over the years, he has made himself into the poster "boy" for Least Wanted Clueless Male Submissive Who Never Was and Will Never Become, i.e. Unfit for Ownership.

Consider it an unofficial honor that you don't belong to his card-carrying club of one [splintered personality], kinda like the 21st Century Schizoid Man of King Crimson fame.

DreamLady

Edited to Add - P.S. Consider it a backhanded compliment that he sees you as a rival and feels threatened by the *competition*.

I thought he seemed familiar and guessed he was a sock but don't know whose.
I suspect he writes the way he does because doing so has garnered him more attention on these forums than he's likely experienced ever before.

For Longwayhome, since you're a new poster (though not a new member) you might not know about the "hide" button. Different than the block button on the profile side; this one is on the forum side. If you don't want a poster's posts to appear on the threads you read, go to one of that person's posts, go to the bottom lefthand corner of the post box, and you'll see a tiny red button saying "hide". Click on it and that poster disappears for you unless you click on it again later and "unhide" that poster.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 8:21:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

And, also to be clear: I'm not trying to convince HIM of anything. That's rarely my goal. My goal is to communicate with others who read this board, who may see his statements and think they are OK, without a dissenting voice giving them another thought process to work with.

*smiles*

And those of us who just shake their heads at him appreciate it!

I agree. I love seeing her destroy his arguments in such a logical way.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 12:05:50 PM

crumpets

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Crumpets, my fellow participant, I think I made my views quite clear in previous posts.

I rarely misunderstand.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Interesting trolling technique though to try to get someone you clearly see as an opponent to rise to the bait by giving them unappealing choices as a rationale for their actions or opinions.

Elementary logic, my Dear Mr. Watson.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
The only explanation must be that I'm either ignorant, naive or playing to the crowd.

Actually, there were only two, not three, options (where ignorant and naive were lumped together); and playing to the crowd was your best option.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
In fact it's quite simple, I just have a different view of the world to you.

Nice dance you're dancing; but it doesn't change the fact that you either knew of the proverb, or you didn't know of it.
Since you claimed to be unaware of the epigram, then you are clearly (ignorant or naive - choose one).

Even so, you can still have an opinion; only it can't be an educated opinion.
It's an opinion based on missing the entire point altogether.
And, I'm sure you have it.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
I will write further when I think I have something to contribute,

Please do. Remember, nobody is holding a gun to your head to make you post.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
but just as you have no obligation to read and respond to my posts, neither do I with regard to yours.

Heh heh... I see that you may be worried that you hurt my feelings.
Don't worry about me. I may be submissive to women and easily led to please one who deserves my attention, but I'm as strong as an ox, mentally and physically.

The only thing that hurts me is realizing that the vast majority of people on this forum are of below average IQ.
This hurts because they have the most idiotic of ideas - almost all borne of sheer ignorance, like yours.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Incidentally it also doesn't make me a lesser person if I chose not to respond to every provocation.

1. You made an idiotic statement that could only mean you were ignorant, or playing to the crowd.
2. I pointed this out, and asked which was which.
3. You (intelligently) chose not to respond.

You did EXACTLY what I would have expected you to do.
You can't answer the question because it would prove my point that your statement was either borne out of sheer ignorance or that it was crafted to kiss the crowd's ass.
Sheer logic leaves no other option.

The funny thing is that sometimes, idiots do answer the rhetorical questions - which simply proves they are idiots.
1. For example, yesterday I satirically responded to a kid who warned us about a pro-domme scam in which he lost $100.
2. Wholly (and obviously) facetiously, I posted a satirical thank-you note, ironically concluding that the scamming Dommes were "clever dommes".
3. Wouldn't you know it - the idiot AGREED with me! He felt that not only did he SAVE us from the peril that befell him, but, that we were, somehow, edified by his warning

What appalls me is how stupid most of the crowd is here.
To be sure, you didn't fall into my simple trap.
But, that kid did (hook, line, and sinker).

And most of the people who post here have the apparent IQ of a rabbit.
The only thing that keeps me here, is that some (very few - but certainly some) are as "sharp as a single atom tip formed by chemically assisted spatially controlled field evaporation."

I'd say in any one thread, there are only two people with an IQ worth conversing with.
What keeps me coming back is conversing with THEM!

Since I generally see what few others see, they help me open my eyes to the possibilities.
The rest simply waste my valuable time.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
This has been an interesting and varied thread. I dare say I may contribute again, but time will tell.

You are handling this well, and, you didn't fall into my simple trap, so, kudos to you.
I appreciate your input.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
In the meantime, thank you for your interest in my posts.

Here, we are what we write.
Everyone here starts with 0 points and then loses them or gains them by what they have to contribute.
I'd say your post that I'm replying to gained you a few points.
Well done.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 12:21:19 PM

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What I find more interesting (not) is that a man who just a few short months ago was intent on trying to convince everyone what an exemplary service-oriented sub he is, was kissing up to every single FemDom stereotype there is, based upon his massive inventory of BDSM porn sites he frequents. . . must have had a rude awakening recently that his self-serving tactics at tooting his own horn was not giving him the results he had assumed they should from his statistical reckoning.

I'm a little confused by that diatribe.
While I don't remember all the posts I've made (heck, I probably remember about 5% of them), I certainly don't remember what you're talking about.
Are you sure you're talking about me? (Or, as DesFip did earlier - are you simply jumping to erroneous conclusions?).

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
He has been outing himself with gusto lately with his own peculiar brand of shallow, thinly veiled misogynistic rhetoric.

Remember what we're talking about.
Just because you are ignorant of the well-known proverb, your ignorance doesn't make "me" shallow.

And, just because I am aware of the epigram that you label "misogynistic rhetoric", doesn't make "me" misogynistic'.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Along with the prolific number of CM/CS profiles he has concocted over the years, he has made himself into the poster "boy" for Least Wanted Clueless Male Submissive Who Never Was and Will Never Become, i.e. Unfit for Ownership.

Aw. Now you're trying to hurt my feelings.
You call me "clueless", yet, you are clearly ignorant of the well-known saying.

By the way you're tossing out personal insults, it sounds like you are the one whose feelings were hurt (again).

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Consider it an unofficial honor that you don't belong to his card-carrying club of one [splintered personality], kinda like the 21st Century Schizoid Man of King Crimson fame.

While you're tossing about all these childish personal insults, why don't you stop for a moment, and simply engage a few long-dormant neurons, deep inside your cerebral cortex, to add VALUE to the conversation, like longwayhome just did?

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Consider it a backhanded compliment that he sees you as a rival and feels threatened by the *competition*.[/color]

Heh heh heh ... more personal insults from you - so - clearly YOU will never be a rival.
I give longwayhome the benefit of the doubt because he UNDERSTOOD exactly where I was coming from, and, like a man, he admitted that he understood.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 12:27:37 PM

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I agree. I love seeing her destroy his arguments in such a logical way.

NookieNotes is one of the rare 5% here who can OPEN MY EYES to ideas that I had not previously completely understood nor fully considered.
Unfortunately, the other 19 out of 20 posters don't have half the capacity of NookieNotes to even UNDERSTAND, let alone to ADD ADDITIONAL VALUE to the conversation.

For example, look with an open eye at the previous post by dreamlady, which was merely a childish scrum of insults, piled one on top of another in long-run-on sentences.
There's no value to be had from her; but NookieNotes has the basic level of intelligence to UNDERSTAND and EDIFY.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 12:59:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: focalss
I'd like to see the FTC do an investigation into Ashley Madison as to the fake profiles and misleading statements about members. I did sign up for a free account and get notifications of new members profiles which now seem to be made up or for "entertainment." I tried to delete the account but couldn't figure out how to stop the notifications.

I'd also like to see FTC/Attorney General investigative results, because it appears AM actively promoted the female count, at the same time that AM apparently fabricated females at a rate that might even out the dearth of real female babies in China.

As another affront to the AM management team, apparently Cynosure Prime reported last Thursday that they easily cracked 11.2 million of the bcrypt-hashed AM passwords which were published as a result of the last data dump.

Cynosure Prime found a bug in open source code that AM used to automatically generate a login key upon user account creation (and regenerated upon password changes) where Cynosure Prime simply attacked the related case-insensitive token instead of more directly cracking the slow bcrypt password hashes themselves.

Honestly, y'all want the FTC to investigate a website for being sleazy and lying to men that are being sleazy and lying (to their wives/gfs).. omg...

Imo, the dudes got no cause to complain..

as far as the website being hacked/hackable.. just look at all the other hacks, even the govt/IRS has been hacked! it really becomes a case of who hasnt been hacked (YET)..

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 1:05:46 PM

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you'll see a tiny red button saying "hide". Click on it and that poster disappear

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Please do. Remember, nobody is holding a gun to your head to make you [read any] post.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/14/2015 1:17:45 PM

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Honestly, y'all want the FTC to investigate a website for being sleazy and lying to men that are being sleazy and lying (to their wives/gfs).. omg... Imo, the dudes got no cause to complain..

That's an interesting point, that I had not considered prior, so, thanks for bringing it up.

If a guy is cheating on his wife by going to a pimp, and then, the pimp cheats the guy by showing him his "ladies" who don't really exist, and, if the guy falls for the ruse, and pays the pimp, does the guy have a right to have that pimp arrested for fraud?

Fraud, as we all know from college business-law, requires all five elements to exist.

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1. The fraud must have been committed by a party to the contract or with his connivance or by his agent. fraud by a stranger to contract does not affect its validity.

2. There must be anyone of the above mentioned in last post in act of fraud.

3. The act of fraud must have been committed with the intent to deceive and must actually deceive. A deceit which does not deceive is not fraud. No cause of action arises where there is fraud without damage or damage without fraud. An action lies where these two occur together.

4. The representation must have been aimed at the other party ti contract or his agent or with a view to induce the other party to enter into the contract, Such representation must have been made before the conclusion of the contract.

5. The other party must have suffered a loss.

If all five exist, it's fraud. If one or more is missing, it's not fraud.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
as far as the website being hacked/hackable.. just look at all the other hacks, even the govt/IRS has been hacked! it really becomes a case of who hasnt been hacked (YET)..

Yeah, but this hack allowed us to ANALYZE the data dump, which is a boon because we finally have at least one set of reasonably reliable Male:Female ratio data points.

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