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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 1:54:54 PM   
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My focus is more on the Chicanery of these dating sites -- and as we all know -- a big refrain here is the lack of women on the other side. (Not that AM and CM are the same.)

I'm not a proponent of life-long monogamy --- and most humans are against in their actions while giving stupid lip service to unrealistic, "romantic," wedding vows.

Everyone wants to cheat their way out of a bad contract -- which is generally what marriage vows are....

married or not, "romantic" to me is seeing two old farts (in their 70's, 80's, 90's) holding hands as they walk down the street and still looking at each other with love in their eyes.. For some reason that used to exist, where couples thought of the other first, not themselves first, but society has changed, people have become narcissistic and self-absorbed carrying around their selfie stick and cell and tweeting about their superficial experiences.. when people are like that, of course life-long monogamy isnt realistic.. heck, 1 week of monogamy could be asking too much!

All relationships, traditional or oherwise, friendship or poly household, are based on a contract. Your first port of call if it's not working out should be the other party or a relationship professional.

Besides which, given the odds as a result of the gender mix, the majority of men on AM must have been day dreaming and fantasizing, without actually going through with anything. Pretty embarrassing to be caught sizing up the market though. At least in real life being caught window shopping rarely leads to having to prove you haven't had an affair.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 4:55:15 PM   
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As for Ashley Madison's numbers, I suspect, based on the reports I've seen which show a dearth of women, that any "women" on there either were professionals, or, they were merely curious (based on the activity figures, many so-called "female profiles" were actually inactive since the day they were created).

I actually have a close friend that was, and is still, on there. I don't know how long she has been on there, less than a year I think. But I know that she is active, and has met at least 4 men that I am aware of. No telling how many she has chatted with without meeting.

When she heard all of these revelations regarding fake profiles on AM, she was very surprised to learn that she was such an anomaly. The men she has seen have all told her they had met others on there, but she doesn't know how many.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 5:14:21 PM   
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well,.. ummm... er... (cough, cough)... I was on that site

This will be good information then...so let's pay close attention...
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ORIGINAL: tj444After deciding to end my marriage, that site was no use to me anymore since I wanted a real relationship so attached/married men were off the menu for me..

This makes total sense, and, it may be why the numbers showed the registered "women" rarely, if ever, actually logged on.
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ORIGINAL: tj444
I wonder if some of the (inactive) women profiles on the site were married women who signed up just to see if their hubby was on there and cheating on them (or trying to)..

I know a woman, in the divorce process, who wanted to know if her then-current BF (whom she had met on Craigslist) was cheating on her, so she set up a Craigslist account, and it eventually netted him. When she confronted him, the first thing he did was cut up his SIM card and she asked me why he did that, which I explained to her why. This is the Silicon Valley, so, he was pretty smart technically. Point is that I agree with you that women may set up an account as a sting for someone in particular.
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ORIGINAL: tj444
The problem with all online dating sites, sites like Craigslist & those "hook-up" apps is that it makes cheating for men so easy now..

I disagree. I do agree that these sites make cheating easy; but I disagree that it's any easier (or harder) than it ever was.
I have been on business trips. Let's just say that what happens on a business trip stays on that business trip.
In addition, think Secret Service in South America, if you want an idea of what goes on during business trips.

In my very humble opinion, 99% of men cheat on their wives. No. That can't be right. It's greater than that.
(Yes, I know, "some" men don't cheat on their wives, and, many will profess that right here - and the wive will swear that the guy doesn't cheat on them - but I am only speaking from my personal experience - it's not actually 99% but it's high).

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Cheating seems to have become the norm..

If you read history (I realize we're not supposed to bring up history), you'll find out that cheating is the norm, has been the norm, and always will be the norm.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 5:21:15 PM   
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Everyone wants to cheat their way out of a bad contract -- which is generally what marriage vows are....

I have to agree with this premise.

Assuming you get married at 20 and die at 90, the marriage contract has to last, unabridged, for 70 years.
Things change in those 70 years.
But the contract doesn't change.

It's the topic of a wholly different thread (and has been) but, it's my premise that often the men want "more" sex than the wife is willing to provide (define "more" any way you want).

If the wife doesn't provide it, then there only three possible solutions:
1. Become, effectively, a priest (i.e., give up on your dreams and desires)
2. Get divorced (kids complicate this tremendously)
3. Solve it the same way millions of men have done, every day, since the beginning of time, and 'till the end of the earth.

If the only thing missing is the sex, then you're not likely to do 1 or 2 above; but 3 is always available, and, in fact, is advertised all over the place, and is readily available in every town in the world, and is fundamentally accepted among your peers (although many will profess to be shocked ... shocked they say ... shocked).

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 5:26:32 PM   
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All relationships, traditional or oherwise, friendship or poly household, are based on a contract. Your first port of call if it's not working out should be the other party or a relationship professional.

That's mom and apple pie.
It's dilusional.
It isn't going to work.
Never. (Almost never.)

Sure. Try it. What have you got to lose?
But it won't work.

If it did work, history would be different than it is.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Besides which, given the odds as a result of the gender mix, the majority of men on AM must have been day dreaming and fantasizing, without actually going through with anything.

This is an apropos observation.
Even if we take the Ashley Madison numbers at (cough cough) face value, that's about 31 million men to 5.5 million women. It's pretty obvious that, unless those women are busy with an average of 6 affairs per woman, that some men are gonna be left out in the cold.

Since the number of real women was really (according to the research) in the order of a few thousand, that leaves even more men in the cold.

Still, men will keep trying and taking chances and casting their net as widely as they can.
Why?
Because they're men.
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Pretty embarrassing to be caught sizing up the market though.

I wonder what's gonna happen when they publish the CS database?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 5:29:21 PM   
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married or not, "romantic" to me is seeing two old farts (in their 70's, 80's, 90's) holding hands as they walk down the street and still looking at each other with love in their eyes..

If only most relationships would work out this way, the world would be a better place for all of us.
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ORIGINAL: tj444
For some reason that used to exist, where couples thought of the other first, not themselves first, but society has changed, people have become narcissistic and self-absorbed carrying around their selfie stick and cell and tweeting about their superficial experiences.. when people are like that, of course life-long monogamy isnt realistic.. heck, 1 week of monogamy could be asking too much!

I think it exists.
But I also think that men need "more" sex than one woman gives them (define "more" any way that makes sense).
It's just a biological fact, which I only know from observation.

We've been down this road though, so, I will state that many people will say that I'm wrong (mostly women but some men), so, I may be wrong - but - it's my very humble opinion that men will ALWAYS cheat (in general) simply because the woman that SHOULD satisfy him sexually, does not satisfy him sexually (for whatever reason, I'm not making a judgment call).

If this wasn't true, then the numbers would be different.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 5:45:05 PM   
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But I also think that men need "more" sex than one woman gives them


Lol god I wish that were true. But it biologically isnt possible. Women can orgasm continuously... not only that they are programmed to want more the more they get. The average guy is one and done, 5 orgasms a day and they tell you to see a doctor. A woman is only getting started with 5. The problem isnt they dont want it, its they dont want what doesnt work. She has to actually get something out of it too. Most guys arent interested in making sure she enjoys herself they just want to get off then wonder why she doesnt want to fuck them 4 times a day. That is nothing more than an excuse.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 6:34:54 PM   
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I've been married once and am still married. For me personally, my wife could never "cheat." She is free to do what she wants and needs (within reason) and I want her to feel she can be honest with me.

I'm abnormally un-possessive and controlling. Weddings feel partly like a funeral to me. It's a huge celebration of two people sealing themselves off from everyone else. It celebrates a momentary decision -- that projects far into the future. I do not particularly agree with its premise.

I'm also abnormally oriented for a guy. Took me a while to realize it, but I've never been hugely driven to get a blow job or to get inside the pants of a woman and fuck her. My drives don't push me there. I've never, not once, masturbated to such material. One of my best friends, though, IS wired to do women in traditional ways, and if possible, he'd be fucking all sorts of women every day of the week. And, that still may not satiate him. For years, he was a serial monogamist, then at about age 40 he got married. He keeps his horse in the barn to avoid marital trouble, not from "love" or feelings of "romantic commitment."

Next, having just had a child --- part of me wonders how anyone wants to have sex after that. For me, being 50 and having a daughter, I swear, part of me has become asexual. The drives, the impulses, the urges ---- GONE. It has caused problems in my secondary relationship. So much energy and care goes into the child. For SUBs -- that sub energy gets used up --- and I can see how one wouldn't want to keep being sub with a DOMME.

Last thing. As we get older and change, we still want to keep making connections -- to feel that something new CAN happen. To feel that part of oneself that has been dormant, can rise again. I kind of hate it when these natural and mostly good impulses get tossed into the judgmental fishbowl of "cheating." But, the fact is, we live in a culture that sees monogamy as the only way. Breaking out of that mold is not easy. Most just divorce or cheat, few actually adapt and open up while staying committed to a primary partner or spouse.

--Sorry for the ramble.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 10:04:20 PM   
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But it biologically isnt possible. Women can orgasm continuously...


I guess any metric is fair game, where the argument is that women orgasm far more than men; but I don't know if orgasm count is a statistic that will point to whether people cheat or not.

I'm just looking at the numbers that i see in the news. Everyone agrees that the men on Ashley Madison greatly outnumber the women (by a huge amount).

Why is that?

The site, apparently, is "designed" for "affairs", so, we can assume a large proportion are married (I think the other thread had the percentage of people who "said" they were married, and it was a big percentage).

If we make these two assumptions, you have to then ask WHY?
1. The men outnumber the woman many times to one, and,
2. The men are (mostly) married.

We can ask the 'why' question one of two ways:
A. Why do the men seem to attempt to cheat on the women in vast quantities?
B. Why don't the women seem to attempt the same cheating in the same vast quantities?

In another thread, it has been pointed out that the men are "trying" to cheat (mostly unsuccessfully, it would seem, on the Ashley Madison site, simply based on the huge skew in numbers). And, it has been pointed out that the women don't "need" a site such as Ashley Madison in order to cheat.

So, it might still be that the women cheat as much as the men do; but I doubt it.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 11:01:04 PM   
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As for Ashley Madison's numbers, I suspect, based on the reports I've seen which show a dearth of women, that any "women" on there either were professionals, or, they were merely curious (based on the activity figures, many so-called "female profiles" were actually inactive since the day they were created).

I actually have a close friend that was, and is still, on there. I don't know how long she has been on there, less than a year I think. But I know that she is active, and has met at least 4 men that I am aware of. No telling how many she has chatted with without meeting.

When she heard all of these revelations regarding fake profiles on AM, she was very surprised to learn that she was such an anomaly. The men she has seen have all told her they had met others on there, but she doesn't know how many.


I suspect that's because the so-called "active" males on the site are spending lots of time looking and not doing.

I also suspect that characterising the standard behaviour as a bunch of over horny males getting frustrated because they can't get their rocks off, with a small number of ubermen actually getting the prize is just too simple. Trying and failing, or at least looking and hoping, serves a psychological and emotional purpose all of its own.

How you explain that to your partner, or yourself, is of course another thing.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/3/2015 11:12:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever the odds suggested by the AM gender mix, I suspect that if you are determined enough you can have an affair, whether you are a man or a woman. The fact that many men appear to be failing says as much about how serious they are about it, as it does about their abilities (or their propensity to cheat).

The world may be full of men who want to be players (or at least think that is what they want), but in the cold, hard light of day they just won't do what is required to live up to the label. Equally there are plenty of women who find themselves psychologically open to harmless window shopping, and even cheating, should they opportunity arise, except they don't set themselves up as "players".

Somehow with infallible logic the people most open to cheating and most prepared to go through with it find each other whatever the odds. By an equal twist of fate, a less driven group of people find themselves wondering why they cannot find the right partner or fellow cheatee.

It's much easier for a man, who can't get what he wants, to say it's because men are permanently horny and woman just don't want it as much. Far more difficult to actually address why you're not getting it, or to admit that you may be sabotaging your own chances.

Much better to be a "player" in your own mind, like all the other players, and blame female sexuality, than admit that women do want it and you're just not getting it.

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 3:49:43 AM   
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Everyone wants to cheat their way out of a bad contract -- which is generally what marriage vows are....


I don't. I have never cheated in any relationship. I have no desire. I will try to fix it first, then leave it. I prefer to keep my word.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Sometimes I wonder if all these men taking so many risks for a shag are really wanting no strings sex. In a world where men are often emotionally isolated, is looking for a bit of extra-marital sex sometimes a clumsy ill-considered way to connect with another human being in the only way they understand, when they can't connect with their own partner?


No always, but sometimes.

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married or not, "romantic" to me is seeing two old farts (in their 70's, 80's, 90's) holding hands as they walk down the street and still looking at each other with love in their eyes.. For some reason that used to exist, where couples thought of the other first, not themselves first, but society has changed, people have become narcissistic and self-absorbed carrying around their selfie stick and cell and tweeting about their superficial experiences.. when people are like that, of course life-long monogamy isnt realistic.. heck, 1 week of monogamy could be asking too much!


There's a lot of assumptions in this paragraph.

1. That older couple may be just dating. Or hooking up. The largest growing population of STIs is in the senior crowd, as more people are outliving their spouse and still enjoying dating and romping in the sack.

2. It used to be that getting a divorce was MUCH MUCH harder. so, people stayed married. Divorce used to require that you dragged your spouse through the mud and prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they were a despicable human being who deserved public shame and dishonor. Today, people who are unhappy because of their marriages divorce, so are no longer married. 60 years ago, people who were miserable in their marriage stayed married.

3. You are assuming love. That was not always (or even more often) the case. It was practicality, legality, and often, the inability to function without each other, eventually. Especially for the woman, who would get no alimony, no child support, had to leave without job prospects or an education, etc.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Besides which, given the odds as a result of the gender mix, the majority of men on AM must have been day dreaming and fantasizing, without actually going through with anything. Pretty embarrassing to be caught sizing up the market though. At least in real life being caught window shopping rarely leads to having to prove you haven't had an affair.


This is a good point. MANY, MANY men on sites like this and AM are there for wank-fodder, not to actually cheat.

A friend of mine organizes gang-bangs. He says that out of 200 men who have said they were interested in a particular date, approximately 20 will confirm, and four or five will show up.

Regularly.

I have had numerous men stand me up for dates after being incredibly enthusiastic online in traditional dating.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
In my very humble opinion, 99% of men cheat on their wives. No. That can't be right. It's greater than that.
(Yes, I know, "some" men don't cheat on their wives, and, many will profess that right here - and the wive will swear that the guy doesn't cheat on them - but I am only speaking from my personal experience - it's not actually 99% but it's high).


Again with your opinion.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
It's just a biological fact, which I only know from observation.


And the oxymoron.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
We've been down this road though, so, I will state that many people will say that I'm wrong (mostly women but some men), so, I may be wrong - but - it's my very humble opinion that men will ALWAYS cheat (in general) simply because the woman that SHOULD satisfy him sexually, does not satisfy him sexually (for whatever reason, I'm not making a judgment call).


There is a lot of entitlement here. You are making it sound like a marriage contract requires a woman to have sex with her husband. No matter what. Or SHE is the villaness. No matter if he:

1. Let himself go, even though she works out regularly.
2. Watches TV or plays video games instead of interacting with her.
3. Does not romance her.
4. Never makes her feel valued.
5. Wants sex only when he wants it, and feels that now that they are married, he can stop with the foreplay stuff.
6. Has become a predictable lover.
7. Leaves everything around the house to her, even when they both work (or when she makes more).

And so on. There are TWO people in a relationship, and I'm betting when you married, or dated, or whatever, before the sex fell off, there was plenty and it was hot.

So, if it fell off, what did you stop doing? Hmmm?

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But I also think that men need "more" sex than one woman gives them


Lol god I wish that were true. But it biologically isnt possible. Women can orgasm continuously... not only that they are programmed to want more the more they get. The average guy is one and done, 5 orgasms a day and they tell you to see a doctor. A woman is only getting started with 5. The problem isnt they dont want it, its they dont want what doesnt work. She has to actually get something out of it too. Most guys arent interested in making sure she enjoys herself they just want to get off then wonder why she doesnt want to fuck them 4 times a day. That is nothing more than an excuse.


Ding!

Although, to be fair, sometimes I have to stop Pet from continuing to please me... Sometimes the intensity is about to make me pass out. So, while t can seem like it's inexhaustable, it's not, really. LOL!

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But it biologically isnt possible. Women can orgasm continuously...


I guess any metric is fair game, where the argument is that women orgasm far more than men; but I don't know if orgasm count is a statistic that will point to whether people cheat or not.


She's not arguing cheating. She's arguing your assertion of men "wanting" sex more.

I can't tell if you're willfully ignorant, stubborn, or a feckin idiot.

Wanting sex and cheating are NOT the same thing. We've already pointed out the MANY MANY reasons for cheating and not all of them are sex. Even for men.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

I'm just looking at the numbers that i see in the news. Everyone agrees that the men on Ashley Madison greatly outnumber the women (by a huge amount).

Why is that?


This has been answered for you as well, in very many ways. You just refuse to accept anything that does not support your highly personal and completely unscientific beliefs.


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Whatever the odds suggested by the AM gender mix, I suspect that if you are determined enough you can have an affair, whether you are a man or a woman. The fact that many men appear to be failing says as much about how serious they are about it, as it does about their abilities (or their propensity to cheat).

The world may be full of men who want to be players (or at least think that is what they want), but in the cold, hard light of day they just won't do what is required to live up to the label. Equally there are plenty of women who find themselves psychologically open to harmless window shopping, and even cheating, should they opportunity arise, except they don't set themselves up as "players".

Somehow with infallible logic the people most open to cheating and most prepared to go through with it find each other whatever the odds. By an equal twist of fate, a less driven group of people find themselves wondering why they cannot find the right partner or fellow cheatee.

It's much easier for a man, who can't get what he wants, to say it's because men are permanently horny and woman just don't want it as much. Far more difficult to actually address why you're not getting it, or to admit that you may be sabotaging your own chances.

Much better to be a "player" in your own mind, like all the other players, and blame female sexuality, than admit that women do want it and you're just not getting it.


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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 5:36:34 AM   
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A friend of mine organizes gang-bangs. He says that out of 200 men who have said they were interested in a particular date, approximately 20 will confirm, and four or five will show up.

This is a good point, and is often considered, for example, when people write Craigslist ads, they often say "we're tired of flakes and fakes" who don't show up.

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I have had numerous men stand me up for dates after being incredibly enthusiastic online in traditional dating.

I don't know of any time I've ever stood up a lady, but I often lose interest in the chase and just drop off.
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Again with your opinion.

Actually, as you may note, I said it was my "very humble opinion", which is an Internet expression for, "of course, this is my opinion".
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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
You are making it sound like a marriage contract requires a woman to have sex with her husband. No matter what. Or SHE is the villaness. No matter if he [lists vices of men].

I think you may have missed the point of NUMBERS.
If the numbers are huge, then it already includes everything you mentioned (and more), because it takes into account "men" and "women" and doesn't delve into the why. It just states that "is". Not why it is.

All I know is that the numbers are so huge that it's clear that the married women, in general, don't serve the sexual needs of their spouses. That's not good or bad. In fact, it's probably simply stating (in a different way) that men are men and women are not.

The conclusion is so clear, when you look at AGGREGATE numbers (we're NOT looking at individual case - we're looking at the AGGREGATE), that it's inescapable.

How do YOU interpret the huge skew in aggregate numbers, for example, of millions of active men versus thousands of active women on a "cheating" site such as AM?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 6:09:23 AM   
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All I know is that the numbers are so huge that it's clear that the married women, in general, don't serve the sexual needs of their spouses.


No, it's NOT that. You have been given so many reasons for those numbers that you simply disregard them.

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The conclusion is so clear, when you look at AGGREGATE numbers (we're NOT looking at individual case - we're looking at the AGGREGATE), that it's inescapable.


Only when you ignore facts and science for your opinions.

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How do YOU interpret the huge skew in aggregate numbers, for example, of millions of active men versus thousands of active women on a "cheating" site such as AM?


I've told you. Science has told you. Other women have told you. Even men have told you.


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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 7:09:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think its amusing that men seem to think because they have a dick, they are entitled to chase any and all women... cos its their nature.
But if you are "hung" like the proverbial horse ( or have the attitude that its just a fuck) , but fuck like a one legged mule, theres no wonder the wife stops putting out.
Fucking like a one legged mule is a HUGE turn off.
Doesnt help when the sex is so one sided it becomes lousy . A lot of women dont want to hurt their mans fragile ego, so she says nothing, and the problem gets worse. What happens if the wife says the sex is lousy????







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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 11:10:49 AM   
Spiritedsub2


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Status: offline 		Apparently what happens when the wife says sex is lousy, is that he says "women don't want as much sex as men" or "it's a crappy ratio".
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 11:35:16 AM   
UllrsIshtar


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I don't date guys who complain that their ex didn't want sex enough anymore. Because these guys are consistently disappointing in bed.

Reversely, the guys who know what they're doing in the sack never seem to have any complaints at all about female sex drives... interesting how to works...



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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 12:33:00 PM   
crumpets


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
What happens if the wife says the sex is lousy????

All that is already taken account with the overall numbers.

It's not good or bad. It just is what it is.

Do you lambaste a lion for having sex with multiple female lionesses?
Do we criticize the black widow spider for her tendency to (sometimes) eat the male after copulation?
Do we judge dolphins who have been known to rape (apparently, according to reports that I have read)?

It's what it is. It's what they are.
Men are men. And women are not.

And, for sites like Ashley Madison (or CollarSpace), the men are gonna outnumber the women, because that's what men do.

There's a (very) old saying that there are no women on the Internet (which, I believe, I first heard ten or twenty years ago on Usenet), which is still almost true (on Usenet anyway, which I also frequent).

In fact, for most endeavors that I discuss on the web (android and linux operating systems, hiking trails, motorcycle rides, rock climbing, engineering problems, construction issues, landscaping techniques, tree trimming problems, mountain biking trails, car repair issues, welding equipemnt, wireless Internet setuip, network security, pool maintenance, etc.), the men on the associated forums far outnumber the woman just as much as on here or as on Ashley Madison.

It's just men being men.

I'm sure there are discussion sites where the women outnumber the men as well.
I'm not sure if I could list those sites though, as I don't frequent them - so I would have no idea what women discuss on the net and where they discuss it.

Where, on the net, do the women outnumber the men?

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 12:37:00 PM   
crumpets


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
He'd be floored to find out how much sex women want with a man who's good at it


I don't think the "volume" of sex was the issue; it's the number of partners, that is fundamentally the issue on a cheating site such as Ashley Madison advertised itself to be.

The actual copulation or orgasm numbers is not at all the same thing as wanting another person to have sex with.

Just the fact that hookers exist in the millions must tell you something (unless you prefer to ignore that fact).

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RE: Male to Female Ratios -- Look at Ashley Madison - 9/4/2015 12:39:04 PM   
crumpets


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quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Reversely, the guys who know what they're doing in the sack never seem to have any complaints at all about female sex drives... interesting how to works...


We've been down this road before.
If you actually believe that the average female's sex drive is anywhere near an order of magnitude of the average male's sex drive, then you don't fundamentally understand men.

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