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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I believe the people have taken notice.

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Look at the complaints about him on immigration, lamblasting police over criminals before the investigation, failure to obtain a specific authorization from congress to fight ISIL.

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As for his impeachment, my belief was that he should have been impeached long ago during his first term. Why he wasn't was most probably politics, not of right or wrong, but of party.

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AS for my beliefs, they are mine. Apparently not always yours,

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and even when we agree, you seem to continue to attack.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
An now you might begin to understand how the liberals feel about how the Tea Party (and parts of the GOP) have behaved for a good solid seven years now! Its not 'right' how conservatives and libertarians have treated President Obama. Just as its not right for these groups to attack (verbally and physically) of law enforcement.

Its people failing at being good citizens in our nation!
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First, once again you fail at English, this is the second time you have used an to mean and.

I'm sorry, your stating your against the 1st amendment, Mr. I-Support-the-US-Constitution?

An if I'm using 'An' in a way you dislike? Tough shit!

I put up with all the bullshit, crap, and lame ass attacks to my character on this forum. Not ONCE have I seen any of you step up and tell the offending asshole to FUCK OFF! You do not want me using 'An' to your disliking? You not only never attack me, but go after those that do. DEAL?

This is what is called a 'compromise' in politics. A word that does not seem to be in the conservative dictionary these days.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Second the "menace" of the right exists only in your mind.

So the Oklahoma City Bombing....NEVER....took place, eh?

All those abortion clinic attacks and bombings....NEVER...took place?

The FBI has not arrested and the courts sentence groups of militia groups to long prison sentences for conspiracies to kill law enforcement and government officials?

I have a pile more of evidence that shows your argument is BULLSHIT. An (notice that word there?) that you can not refute any of it, because its covered in liberal to conservative media sources across the nation!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The horrible things you attribute to the right did not result in a rash of murders.

How many died at the Oklahoma City Bombing? Or the thread of that gun owner whom killed a german foreign exchange student because he didn't identify his prey? How about the idiot homeowner that killed a man suffering from Alzheimer's and thought the guy's house was his own? That the guy could afford a gun but not a freaking flashlight; he could afford bullets but not batteries. You remember that one? In which I stated that guy was a tactical moron? How about the thread of the guy whom killed the boyfriend to his daughter? Yeah, the kid sneaked inside and surprised the daughter at night. Yeah, it was not a brilliant thing to do. And after everything calms down, the father gets angry at something the kid states and kills him in front of his daughter; remember that one?

Got answers for all of these? Because your argument is "None of these things happened". Dude, they all happened. By right wingers fueled on delusion, anger, fear, and ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The chants of BLM have.

Really? How many people have been killed that this group has taken responsibility for?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
The Tea party didn't rush on stage and take the mic away from presidential candidates, BLA has.

That's because anyone rushing President Obama are tackled by a dozen secret service agents!

The Tea Party requires presidential candidates to speak only on approved messages. They disallow liberals from a free forum. The Occupy movement would allow conservatives to speak; they might dislike it; but not out right ban them from speaking. Sort of cuts down on their credibility of being 'in favor of the US Constitution'.....

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have always understood what you didn't like about conservatives, we stand in the way of your workers paradise.

Its a funny observation. That while so many on the right bitch about the 'Liberal Nanny State' we have never had a real example of it. However, we have had many 'Conservative Nanny States' in US History and not one conservative can even explain the concept. Maybe you could?

I could give you a BIG hint; but why ruin all the fun?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
We have read the constitution and don't change the meaning to fit our agenda.

Which political party wants to make English the official and primary language of the United States of America?

Even thought it would be a violation of the 1st amendment?

How about 'treatment of people'? According to conservatives, 'waterboarding' is not torture, nor a violation of the 8th amendment. Yet not a single conservative wants to be subjected to the practice; I 'wonder' why? Or that conservatives and libertarians think that illegal immigrants should not be afforded all the same protections and rights as a US Citizens. Even thought they have as much right to a lawyer during all parts of a police arrest like a US Citizen. They have the right to a fair trial; even if it means they get deported. That if they tell a medical doctor they are an illegal immigrant; the medical doctor is under no legal obligation to notify law enforcement.

I can go on and on, on how right wingers treat people in the United States of America. Do you place all the Republican/Tea Party candidates for the GOP nomination under the same level of scrutiny as you do Mrs. Clinton? Go ahead, and try to convince me on that one....

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
We don't think that our wisdom outwieghs the constitution.

HA! The number of way I could destroy that falsehood would take ten full threads of text to explain! An each of the liberals on here would easily add much in the way of supporting information and evidence. You could not explain yourself or what right wingers have done to fuck shit up; without heaping piles of grade 'A' BULLSHIT. An then think we'll believe the bullshit like you have for so long.

Here is a good example. A taste if you will, of that enormous amount of information.....

Is it good for the nation to shutdown the federal government, because you want the other political party to remove a law that will soon show that your party and its viewpoints are full of shit?

In reference: Sen. Ted Cruz and the Affordable Care Act. Since when I turned the question around to conservatives: We'll agree to remove $700 billion from the annual budget....BUT....you right wingers agree to the removal of the 2nd amendment. Not a single conservative said 'yes'. I wonder why.....

Your 'wisdom' allows for a greater likelihood of children been mowed down by firearms. Or adults. Or both!

Your party corrupted the 2nd amendment. An people wonder why firearms are out of control in our nation. You must like going to funerals, BamaD; because I sure as hell don't! Soon or later (knowing our lucky, it'll be sooner), something REALLY bad is going to happen. I struggle to imagine what could be worst than Sandy Hook. An I have a good imagination, BamaD. There is a fear on display, BamaD. What ever event forces this nation to look at firearm laws objectively has to pale Sandy Hook by comparison. But we will not get objectively but more emotions. Something this nation REALLY doesn't need.

Being wise also means to take a hard look at your political views, and the views of your party. To decide objectively their merits as good and bad. For yourself, those around you, and the nation. In some ways, this is know in psychology as 'Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs'. Wisdom being the highest level: Self-Actualization. According to Maslow, it can be easy to obtain; but very hard to maintain it over a long period of time.

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We don't want to ignore anything that stops us from doing what we want.

Is there a limit to power? If you had power, how would you use it?

That's what Gandalf tried to warn Frodo about the One Ring. That with all that power, he would try to bring great good to all those around him. But the corrupting influence of the ring (and its owner) would turn all his actions into great evil. With power comes responsibility. With great power, comes great responsibility (like this has not been overdone in the comic books).

I have not really seen the GOP'/TP use power responsibility. Nor have I seen conservatives acknowledge many problems they have created for the current President to solve. Or are you not aware of how this nation got into a recession in the summer of 2006? Since events started rolling into action just a few short years earlier. Here's a hint: While our attention was in Afghanistan and Iraq what was happening in the nation? More specifically, what was the Republican Congress doing?

Look at it objectively, BamaD. Its not pretty. Its not even good. It was people removing things they should never have been tampered. That as time rolled forward, the damage not fixed; creating events as they would happen. Democrats did some of it. And I dislike those individuals for their roles. But they were not in power like the GOP. Where is all the rage from conservatives about the GOP almost causing a second great depression? And after the nation understood the current situation, the GOP/TP tried to stop President Obama from passing the ARRA; because they wanted to make him a one term president. Even if it took failing the nation!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And we don't salivate over the possibility that a bunch of people will die letting us win a debate.

{Paraphrasing as I forget who exactly stated this phrase. As soon as it was stated, many more people starting using it. So finding the original 'author' of this 'piece' is difficult)

( A ) "Lets use 2nd amendment guns to silence 1st amendment liberals!".

Or of ( B ) "taking the nation by force and installing a conservative interpretation of the US Constition"?

These two things are just the tip of the political iceberg, spoken by conservatives, that state your argument is full of shit.

There are people that will state something and have that....look....on their face that says "Oh shit, did *I* just say that? Can I take those words back? Please?". No, the people that stated 'A' and 'B' above did not have that reaction. They meant ever bit of ugly, evilness. The question is: Do you not see how this can be taken the wrong way?

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Nobody says Ok City didn't happen, and it was condemed by conservatives.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nobody says Ok City didn't happen, and it was condemed by conservatives.

And yet the militias that spawned those terrorists are still active and no one seems to want to shut them down. That seems counterintuitive doesn't it?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Associations

McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist novel The Turner Diaries. Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of The Turner Diaries were found in an envelope inside McVeigh's car. These pages depicted a fictitious mortar attack upon the U.S. Capitol in Washington. According to CNN, his only known associations were as a registered Republican while in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the Army, and there is no evidence that he ever belonged to any extremist groups.[90]

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Nobody says Ok City didn't happen, and it was condemed by conservatives.

And yet the militias that spawned those terrorists are still active and no one seems to want to shut them down. That seems counterintuitive doesn't it?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Just as a matter of interest, would Joe Q US-Public go up to a policeman and ask him the time? I ask, because when an American friend visited recently, I assured him that he could do that in London. He did so. The policeman politely told him the time. My American friend was astonished. I told said American friend that a London policeman will also give directions, if asked - and will call in for advice if he doesn't know the directions personally. When you visit Bath, SW England, you can call in at the police station for directions - and they'll give you a map, with the directions traced out in pen by the desk-sergeant.

Are US police generally *heavy*? Does one just avoid talking to them, if possible?

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Actually I think the Democrats do. Since the only terrorist organization that Timothy McVeigh belonged to was the Republican Party of New York and the NRA.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have no problem starting conversations with American police. Your American friend is just paranoid.

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Actually I think the Democrats do. Since the only terrorist organization that Timothy McVeigh belonged to was the Republican Party of New York and the NRA.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_michigan_militia

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Just as a matter of interest, would Joe Q US-Public go up to a policeman and ask him the time? I ask, because when an American friend visited recently, I assured him that he could do that in London. He did so. The policeman politely told him the time. My American friend was astonished. I told said American friend that a London policeman will also give directions, if asked - and will call in for advice if he doesn't know the directions personally. When you visit Bath, SW England, you can call in at the police station for directions - and they'll give you a map, with the directions traced out in pen by the desk-sergeant.

Are US police generally *heavy*? Does one just avoid talking to them, if possible?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

sounds like guilt by association to me gunny. I have known a lot of militia members (they are called the National Guard) and I guess if you wish you can call them a terrorist organization. I know people that would like to see them disappear.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Just as a matter of interest, would Joe Q US-Public go up to a policeman and ask him the time? I ask, because when an American friend visited recently, I assured him that he could do that in London. He did so. The policeman politely told him the time. My American friend was astonished. I told said American friend that a London policeman will also give directions, if asked - and will call in for advice if he doesn't know the directions personally. When you visit Bath, SW England, you can call in at the police station for directions - and they'll give you a map, with the directions traced out in pen by the desk-sergeant.

Are US police generally *heavy*? Does one just avoid talking to them, if possible?

When I worked with the Sheriff's Office we had some officers I wouldn't have given a badge. Do to something that had happened under the previous sheriff any hire had to be approved by 3 different sets of lawyers. The last group had one person who was retired military, very smart, they hired him to move him over to being a detective.
Three were just average people, one female, two males.
One was to timid to be a cop. Had one deputy tell me he would never want her as a partner because he wouldn't be able to count on her to back him up.
I pointed out that if she were my partner and it looked at all like a confrontation I would have her stand behind the car with a shotgun. They wouldn't know she might panic and it would be better than nothing.
The sixth one I pointed out to him that I would never want as a partner, he got the badge cause he thought he was tough and would get you into a fight you had no need to be.
But when you have 3 teams of lawyers telling you who to hire you are stuck with anyone who can get past them.
We had over 100 officers, I had a problem with about 4, that is a pretty good average.
Bottom line I agree, if people didn't prejudge cops based on one or two bad ones they would see that for the most part good people.

PS before someone says something I will once again state that I was in admin, not a sworn officer.


Yes, you can ask them the time. Believe it or not they are people just like everyone else. And like any other group, you will find nice ones and you will find some asshats.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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People don't talk to cops because they "know" the cops will react badly.
They are hostile when a situation comes up where they have too.
Then they say they were right all along because every cop they talked to insisted on being in control.
What are they supposed to do pull along side of you when you run a red light and ask if you would mind pulling over, then making sure it is alright with you if he gives you a ticket?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Just as a matter of interest, would Joe Q US-Public go up to a policeman and ask him the time? I ask, because when an American friend visited recently, I assured him that he could do that in London. He did so. The policeman politely told him the time. My American friend was astonished. I told said American friend that a London policeman will also give directions, if asked - and will call in for advice if he doesn't know the directions personally. When you visit Bath, SW England, you can call in at the police station for directions - and they'll give you a map, with the directions traced out in pen by the desk-sergeant.

Are US police generally *heavy*? Does one just avoid talking to them, if possible?

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Here in DC, I'd have no hesitation about approaching an officer (who was not otherwise occupied) to ask the time or directions. It helps, no doubt, that I'm white, middle-class, balding and graying, soft-spoken, terminally polite, and a threat to nothing on Earth except unfortunate freelance writers. Were I a member of some other demographic groups, I'd be much warier.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Just as a matter of interest, would Joe Q US-Public go up to a policeman and ask him the time? I ask, because when an American friend visited recently, I assured him that he could do that in London. He did so. The policeman politely told him the time. My American friend was astonished. I told said American friend that a London policeman will also give directions, if asked - and will call in for advice if he doesn't know the directions personally. When you visit Bath, SW England, you can call in at the police station for directions - and they'll give you a map, with the directions traced out in pen by the desk-sergeant.

Are US police generally *heavy*? Does one just avoid talking to them, if possible?

I've even had a London policeman cheerfully pose for a photo with me. Oh, the things one does as a goofy exchange student trying to woo someone (a fellow student, not the cop)! Of course, that was back in 1984, and my (mis?)understanding at the time was that UK police officers didn't pack heat. So an encounter was unlikely to prove fatal.

Here in DC, I'd have no hesitation about approaching an officer (who was not otherwise occupied) to ask the time or directions. It helps, no doubt, that I'm white, middle-class, balding and graying, soft-spoken, terminally polite, and a threat to nothing on Earth except unfortunate freelance writers. Were I a member of some other demographic groups, I'd be much warier.