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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 3:09:03 PM   
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you are a liar" is just so... pedestrian.


Sometimes the truth is pedestrian

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 3:13:00 PM   
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But if he really wants to be president, he needs to start talking rationally about about HOW he's going to keep his promises. He's just not doing that.


Who is?

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 3:18:58 PM   
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Like the old saying that military justice is an oxymoron.


The oxymoron you are reaching for is military intelligence. Those who have been in the real military would know that. You have told us you were in the air farce and the national guard as a reserve. They are suppose to, at least, teach you to march without tripping over your own feet and a little about history and tradition.

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 4:34:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

A bunch of anti-Trump protesters showed up to one of Mr. Trump's speeches. In fact there are anti-protesters at all the candidate's running for public office speeches. Yet, as long as they are belligerent or try to forceful deny the speaker from speaking; they are ignored by the law. By the Secret Service, and people there for the speech. A concept that is allowed within the 1st amendment. No, not 'Freedom of Speech', but the rarily known one: "Right to peacefully assemble".

This is the counter protest to Mr. Trump:



This is how Trump's Goon Squad deals with 1st amendment individuals....

Mr. Trump employs thugs to do the dirty work. If he and his people behave like this now,.....try.....to imagine how he'll deal with US Citizens that disagree with him as a US President. Conservatives already have enough problems gaining minorities to vote for them. This stuff simply undermines those efforts. Its not enough if Mr. Trump fires one or more of his thugs. He has to apologize, to the individuals and the nation; Just as if a Secret Service person would ever do such a thing. Like a President would have to do. Here is Mr. Trump's latest test to see if he can be a US President.


Joether...get a grip.

Trump says shit that others don't have the balls to say.

People should have voted for Perot....(don't know if they should vote for Trump).

In the end...people should vote for the truth.

STOP voting for people who can be "elected".

START voting for people who can do the job.


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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 4:39:59 PM   
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START voting for people who can do the job.


Ralph nader?

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 8:48:43 PM   
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Even the things the DOJ allegedly investigated because of racism turned out to not be racism

The DOJ report on Ferguson says you are mistaken. Had you read it you would not make such foolish statements.

I'm not comfortable with taking that report at face value. There is a mind-set evident in it that troubles me. For example, their assessment of...

the disparate impact of post-stop outcomes - such as the rate at which stops result in citations, searches, or arrests - is not dependent on population data or on assumptions about differential offending rates by race; instead, the enforcement actions imposed against stopped black drivers are compared directly to the enforcement actions imposed against stopped white drivers.

For the impact of race to be assessed, other circumstances have to be equal. To assess vehicle stop outcomes honestly requires comparing cases matched on circumstances. To view the data solely through the prism of race and compare them on that basis is evidence that nothing good is going on here.

K.


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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 10:24:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: joether

A bunch of anti-Trump protesters showed up to one of Mr. Trump's speeches. In fact there are anti-protesters at all the candidate's running for public office speeches. Yet, as long as they are belligerent or try to forceful deny the speaker from speaking; they are ignored by the law. By the Secret Service, and people there for the speech. A concept that is allowed within the 1st amendment. No, not 'Freedom of Speech', but the rarily known one: "Right to peacefully assemble".

This is the counter protest to Mr. Trump:



This is how Trump's Goon Squad deals with 1st amendment individuals....

Mr. Trump employs thugs to do the dirty work. If he and his people behave like this now,.....try.....to imagine how he'll deal with US Citizens that disagree with him as a US President. Conservatives already have enough problems gaining minorities to vote for them. This stuff simply undermines those efforts. Its not enough if Mr. Trump fires one or more of his thugs. He has to apologize, to the individuals and the nation; Just as if a Secret Service person would ever do such a thing. Like a President would have to do. Here is Mr. Trump's latest test to see if he can be a US President.


Joether...get a grip.

Trump says shit that others don't have the balls to say.

People should have voted for Perot....(don't know if they should vote for Trump).

In the end...people should vote for the truth.

STOP voting for people who can be "elected".

START voting for people who can do the job.


Really? Its 'OK" to violate other people's rights? Not only violate them; but do so in a violent manner....

Mrs. Clinton can easily do the job. Liberals, moderates and conservatives all know this. Conservatives have been trying.....anything.....to attack the lady; regardless of how petty or pathetic the argument is to use. If we were to place....any....of the GOP candidates under the same level of scrutiny as Mrs. Clinton. All of them would shrink away to nothing. Including Mr. Trump!

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 10:31:32 PM   
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back to comrade bird brains "goon squad" assertion for a moment---I cannot watch the video he linked, does it show, or does anyone know if the anti-trump protester assaulted the security guard first?

while im here, I can comment on the very spurious connection in the title of the thread. has anyone else noticed the major leap from trump's security guard roughing up a protestor, to Donald trump not respecting the constitution?


"....anti-trump protester...."

Since you like to attack me on my English, it's time to smack you back. The man's name is Mr. Trump. With a capital 'T'. Therefore, you should have said "anti-Trump protester".

To answer your question dingleberry, The video shows the activist's sign being ripped from their hands by Mr. Trump's goon squad. One of the counter protesters tried to stop the man, whom in turned put him into a headlock. To say things got out of hand after that, would be an understatement.

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/7/2015 10:43:21 PM   
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Except he just won't. He's got no actual plan backing up his promises. Just vague assurances that he'll get 'the best people' to fix it for him.

I appreciate his spine, and his willingness to tell the media and Washington and anyone who's PC to get stuffed. And yes, cages need rattled and meaningful conversation needs sparked. He's useful in the campaign for that purpose, and I don't want him out of the race for a while yet.

But if he really wants to be president, he needs to start talking rationally about about HOW he's going to keep his promises. He's just not doing that.

Well, getting the best people handling things would certainly be a step in the right direction, and I know he's got a plan for the White House that will benefit the construction trades....



K.

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/9/2015 7:07:46 AM   
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I'm not comfortable with taking that report at face value.



You seemed pretty comfortable with the part of the report that said that officer Wilson was unindictable.


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There is a mind-set evident in it that troubles me. For example,




Isn't that the same example you have offered where you cite the population ratio of black to white vs. the crime ratio black to white?





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their assessment of...

the disparate impact of post-stop outcomes - such as the rate at which stops result in citations, searches, or arrests - is not dependent on population data or on assumptions about differential offending rates by race; instead, the enforcement actions imposed against stopped black drivers are compared directly to the enforcement actions imposed against stopped white drivers.

For the impact of race to be assessed, other circumstances have to be equal. To assess vehicle stop outcomes honestly requires comparing cases matched on circumstances. To view the data solely through the prism of race and compare them on that basis is evidence that nothing good is going on here.

K.



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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/12/2015 6:56:52 PM   
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Isn't that the same example you have offered where you cite the population ratio of black to white vs. the crime ratio black to white?

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their assessment of...

the disparate impact of post-stop outcomes - such as the rate at which stops result in citations, searches, or arrests - is not dependent on population data or on assumptions about differential offending rates by race; instead, the enforcement actions imposed against stopped black drivers are compared directly to the enforcement actions imposed against stopped white drivers.

For the impact of race to be assessed, other circumstances have to be equal. To assess vehicle stop outcomes honestly requires comparing cases matched on circumstances. To view the data solely through the prism of race and compare them on that basis is evidence that nothing good is going on here.


See boldface above. I've never argued that disparities in offending rates are due to race.

K.



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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/12/2015 8:48:48 PM   
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~ FR ~

The real estate tycoon has repeatedly defied the normal rules of politics, building his standing among almost every GOP demographic group... A new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump has increased his lead among Republican women, boosting his share to 33% of women voters, up from 20% a month ago.~CNN Politics

Heads explode in 3.. 2.. 1...

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/13/2015 5:56:28 AM   
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Since you like to attack me on my English, it's time to smack you back. The man's name is Mr. Trump.

His parents must have had a droll sense of humor.

K.


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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/13/2015 12:09:08 PM   
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Isn't that the same example you have offered where you cite the population ratio of black to white vs. the crime ratio black to white?

quote:

their assessment of...

the disparate impact of post-stop outcomes - such as the rate at which stops result in citations, searches, or arrests - is not dependent on population data or on assumptions about differential offending rates by race; instead, the enforcement actions imposed against stopped black drivers are compared directly to the enforcement actions imposed against stopped white drivers.

For the impact of race to be assessed, other circumstances have to be equal. To assess vehicle stop outcomes honestly requires comparing cases matched on circumstances. To view the data solely through the prism of race and compare them on that basis is evidence that nothing good is going on here.


See boldface above. I've never argued that disparities in offending rates are due to race.

K.





I did not say that you did. I said you gave the same example, except when you gave the example you did not post any of the modifying statements of the DOJ. Thus leaving the reader with nothing with which to interpret your statment. Now when told upright the exact criteria you protest that you never meant race was the criteria. What then is the unnoted criteria that you feel contribute to the disparity?

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RE: How much Trump Respects the US Constititution - 9/14/2015 5:38:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

Isn't that the same example you have offered where you cite the population ratio of black to white vs. the crime ratio black to white?

quote:

their assessment of...

the disparate impact of post-stop outcomes - such as the rate at which stops result in citations, searches, or arrests - is not dependent on population data or on assumptions about differential offending rates by race; instead, the enforcement actions imposed against stopped black drivers are compared directly to the enforcement actions imposed against stopped white drivers.

For the impact of race to be assessed, other circumstances have to be equal. To assess vehicle stop outcomes honestly requires comparing cases matched on circumstances. To view the data solely through the prism of race and compare them on that basis is evidence that nothing good is going on here.


See boldface above. I've never argued that disparities in offending rates are due to race.

I did not say that you did, except when you gave the example you did not post any of the modifying statements of the DOJ. Thus leaving the reader with nothing with which to interpret your statment. Now when told upright the exact criteria you protest that you never meant race was the criteria. What then is the unnoted criteria that you feel contribute to the disparity?

And I didn't say that you said I did. But you did note my own use of racially disaggregated data, and I responded by pointing out the difference. Only idiots and people with agendas promote the anti-scientific notion that disparities in racially disaggregated data are due to race. I am not among them. I have no idea what "modifying statements" you think you're talking about, or the cause of your concern with "unnoted criteria".

K.



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