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CreativeDominant -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/14/2015 4:38:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant If you seriously think that's all that's changed, then I guess all those programs the Dems keep setting up and folks keep voting for themselves aren't worth what were told they are, are they? Which of those programs enabled the fergustan pd and courts to extort 2 million dollars a year from the dencendents of slaves? Not a one of them. But there again,not one of them...nor my point...have one thing to do with the Ferguson P.D.. In turn, the problems of the Ferguson P.D. have absolutely nothing to do with gay lives...unless Michael Brown was gay too?

smileforme50 -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/14/2015 4:51:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I see a binary division in philosophy on the topic. A> Does a person have a right to refuse service in thier own place of business. B> A person doing business is required to provide service to anyone who wants it. Scenarios to consider: Drunk and belligerent demanding special service and frightening the rest of the customers. Customer with no hair, multiple Nazi tattoos, and a KKK T-shirt. Hood rat with a pistol stuffed down the back of his pants and obviously on some sort of drug complete with twitches and continually scratching (crack crawlies is the street jargon) Flaming queen type leading a fellow on a leash in a "family resturant". Jehovah Witness handing out pamphlets to everyone in your place of business. Not so applicable today with debit cards but in the past habitual check bouncers would be banned from businesses. At what point are you allowed to say "you are not welcome here"? The federal laws have been interpreted to require equal treatment in essential services such as those necessary for food and shelter. The interpretation as to what constitutes an essential service is interpreted in state law. Another interesting twist on this is how some restaurants have started.....to the energetic approval of many customers.....to ban families with young children because of the noise and disruption the children cause.

smileforme50 -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/14/2015 5:10:29 PM)
I heard Larry Wilcox talking about Kim Davis today. He was watching Kim Davis on TV as she was out in front of a large crowd with Mike Huckabee and he was saying that all Ms. Davis was doing was sticking to her faith....and to the rules of her God. And Wilcox asked.....what if Ms. Davis was Muslim and saying the exact same thing? Muslims don't support gay marriage either. So if Kim Davis was Muslim and had been refusing marriage licenses to homosexuals on grounds that it is against the Sharia law....would she be getting the same amount of support?

CreativeDominant -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/14/2015 6:47:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 I heard Larry Wilcox talking about Kim Davis today. He was watching Kim Davis on TV as she was out in front of a large crowd with Mike Huckabee and he was saying that all Ms. Davis was doing was sticking to her faith....and to the rules of her God. And Wilcox asked.....what if Ms. Davis was Muslim and saying the exact same thing? Muslims don't support gay marriage either. So if Kim Davis was Muslim and had been refusing marriage licenses to homosexuals on grounds that it is against the Sharia law....would she be getting the same amount of support? Using Sharia Law as her grounds+ Probably not. Using her faith in the Koran? I'm pretty sure she would be from those of the same faith. They'd be wrong, just as Kim Davis is now. When you are ELECTED to do a job that involves following government dictates, then you know that recognition of your faith always loses to the requirements of your job.

tweakabelle -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 4:10:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam As long as the person turned away is not one of the classes protected by the civil rights acts, I could refuse to serve them. I've never been able to wrap my head around having "protected classes" in a country where everyone is supposed to be equal under the law. K. "Supposed to be equal under the law" with the emphasis on "supposed" is the key here. Historically in your country and mine, the law has been far from equal for all. In some areas it still is: "A man responsible for the 2012 beating of a Dallas transgender woman who died from her injuries is set to receive probation and no jail sentence. A spokesperson for the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office has confirmed to the Observer that Jonathan Stuart Kenney, 29, is expected to plead guilty Tuesday to first-degree felony aggravated assault. Under a plea bargain, Kenney will be sentenced to 10 years probation for the death of his then-partner, Janette Tovar." http://www.texasobserver.org/dallas-man-sentenced-to-probation-in-fatal-assault-of-trans-woman/ 10 years probation for the murder of a trans person ..... with no jail time. It is difficult to see this level of sympathy from the justice system for other perpetrators of domestic violence. Nor would any one with a brain want to see this level of leniency in sentencing replicated in other cases of domestic violence. It seems that in practice, there's one law for most people and another for trans people. This is one graphic example of why merely changing laws to ensure equality under the law for all is an insufficient response to the ill treatment of minorities, and why extra measures have to be adopted in order to ensure that equality under the law is a real concept with real effects and not merely empty rhetoric that is ignored in practice.

Kirata -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 4:32:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I've never been able to wrap my head around having "protected classes" in a country where everyone is supposed to be equal under the law. "A man responsible for the 2012 beating of a Dallas transgender woman who died from her injuries is set to receive probation and no jail sentence. A spokesperson for the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office has confirmed to the Observer that Jonathan Stuart Kenney, 29, is expected to plead guilty Tuesday to first-degree felony aggravated assault. Under a plea bargain, Kenney will be sentenced to 10 years probation for the death of his then-partner, Janette Tovar." http://www.texasobserver.org/dallas-man-sentenced-to-probation-in-fatal-assault-of-trans-woman/ 10 years probation for the murder of a trans person ..... with no jail time. It is difficult to see this level of sympathy from the justice system for other perpetrators of domestic violence. Nor would any one with a brain want to see this level of leniency in sentencing replicated in other cases of domestic violence. It seems that in practice, there's one law for most people and another for trans people. This is one graphic example of why merely changing laws to ensure equality under the law for all is an insufficient response to the ill treatment of minorities, and why extra measures have to be adopted in order to ensure that equality under the law is a real concept with real effects and not merely empty rhetoric that is ignored in practice. Your post is itself a "graphic example" of something. It wasn't the justice system's desire that he get off easy... Anguiano said she’s been in constant contact with investigators on the case, and was told recently they are still having trouble getting the main witness who saw Kenney assault Tovar on the street to testify... Anguiano said the friend is engaged and wasn’t supposed to be out with friends that night, so she’s worried about the fate of her relationship if she comes forward. She also said the friend is concerned about being involved in a murder, especially one involving a trans person... Anguiano said she hopes people who once cared for Tovar won’t let her murderer get away with her death just because they don’t want to be involved in a murder trial. “There’s something very selfish about every one of these people who called themselves friends and associates [not coming forward],” she said. ~dallasvoice.com K.

captive4ever -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 4:34:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You do not have a right to refuse service to a black because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse service to a douchbag because you disagree with her opinion, because of your religion. Very good, now do you have a rational argument since black is not a religious or political position, however gay is Explain how being gay is a religious or political position.

tweakabelle -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 8:11:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I've never been able to wrap my head around having "protected classes" in a country where everyone is supposed to be equal under the law. "A man responsible for the 2012 beating of a Dallas transgender woman who died from her injuries is set to receive probation and no jail sentence. A spokesperson for the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office has confirmed to the Observer that Jonathan Stuart Kenney, 29, is expected to plead guilty Tuesday to first-degree felony aggravated assault. Under a plea bargain, Kenney will be sentenced to 10 years probation for the death of his then-partner, Janette Tovar." http://www.texasobserver.org/dallas-man-sentenced-to-probation-in-fatal-assault-of-trans-woman/ 10 years probation for the murder of a trans person ..... with no jail time. It is difficult to see this level of sympathy from the justice system for other perpetrators of domestic violence. Nor would any one with a brain want to see this level of leniency in sentencing replicated in other cases of domestic violence. It seems that in practice, there's one law for most people and another for trans people. This is one graphic example of why merely changing laws to ensure equality under the law for all is an insufficient response to the ill treatment of minorities, and why extra measures have to be adopted in order to ensure that equality under the law is a real concept with real effects and not merely empty rhetoric that is ignored in practice. Your post is itself a "graphic example" of something. It wasn't the justice system's desire that he get off easy... Anguiano said she’s been in constant contact with investigators on the case, and was told recently they are still having trouble getting the main witness who saw Kenney assault Tovar on the street to testify... Anguiano said the friend is engaged and wasn’t supposed to be out with friends that night, so she’s worried about the fate of her relationship if she comes forward. She also said the friend is concerned about being involved in a murder, especially one involving a trans person... Anguiano said she hopes people who once cared for Tovar won’t let her murderer get away with her death just because they don’t want to be involved in a murder trial. “There’s something very selfish about every one of these people who called themselves friends and associates [not coming forward],” she said. ~dallasvoice.com K. As the defendant has already admitted serious assaults against the victim, I am unsure how important corroborative evidence might be. From your link: " Kenney provided a taped statement to police shortly after Tovar’s death, admitting that he slammed Tovar’s head into the concrete, and he continued to assault her after they arrived home at their apartment, the arrest affidavit states. I also note that no less than 4 different prosecutors have been in charge of the case. One doesn't get the impression that any prosecution is being pursued with any urgency, and it could well be that the insistence on supporting evidence when the accused's admissions seem to point the finger of guilt squarely at him might be a reflection of this lack of urgency. Whatever the case, the result - 10 years probation for murder - is outrageous and underlines the difficulties that marginalised groups experience when they seek justice.

Real0ne -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:24:28 PM)
so were they not able to prove murder for some reason and had to go with a lesser charge?

Real0ne -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:30:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: captive4ever quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You do not have a right to refuse service to a black because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse service to a douchbag because you disagree with her opinion, because of your religion. Very good, now do you have a rational argument since black is not a religious or political position, however gay is Explain how being gay is a religious or political position. Bit surprised to have this question? Genesis 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked exceedingly and sinners against the LORD. Leviticus 18:22 …21'You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD. 22'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. 23'Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.… Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 1 Timothy 1:10 …9realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. there is the source as if you really needed to ask. Black is nothing more than a 'color' does pink or violet have the ability to think? Of course not, thererfore black cannot be anything more than pink or green, a mere color, since it fails to fulfill the elements necessary to classify as religious or a religion. On the the other hand gay is the anti-god, or antithesis of age old moral law, therefore definitely religious and definitely political once dumped into the public laps by the courts. Does that do it for you?

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:34:58 PM)
quote: On the the other hand gay is the anti-god, or antithesis of age old moral law, therefore definitely religious and definitely political once dumped into the public laps by the courts. Does that do it for you? No

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:44:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You do not have a right to refuse service to a black because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay because of your religion and you are not allowed to refuse service to a douchbag because you disagree with her opinion, because of your religion. Very good, now do you have a rational argument since black is not a religious or political position, however gay is quote: Black is nothing more than a 'color' does pink or violet have the ability to think? Of course not, thererfore black cannot be anything more than pink or green, a mere color, since it fails to fulfill the elements necessary to classify as religious or a religion. Have you always been this stupid? Or is this a quality you require in those you seek to convince. We are not discusiing the color black we are discussing those who are melanin enhanced.

Real0ne -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:44:48 PM)
Effective elementary literacy instruction develops students' linguistic and cognitive abilities through the explicit integration of reading, writing, speaking, and listening into instruction across all content areas and activities.

Real0ne -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:47:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Have you always been this stupid? Or is this a quality you require in those you seek to convince. We are not discusiing the color black we are discussing those who are melanin enhanced. My answer relates back to MY initial meaning, (that means before some illiterate changed it) and that means not your strawman, again my above post applies.

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Effective elementary literacy instruction develops students' linguistic and cognitive abilities through the explicit integration of reading, writing, speaking, and listening into instruction across all content areas and activities. It does not seem to have been terribly successful in your case, perhaps you might seek a refund.

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:50:09 PM)
quote: My answer relates back to MY initial meaning In that case you should rightly address your post to yourself.

Real0ne -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 12:50:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Effective elementary literacy instruction develops students' linguistic and cognitive abilities through the explicit integration of reading, writing, speaking, and listening into instruction across all content areas and activities. It does not seem to have been terribly successful in your case, perhaps you might seek a refund. Hey its not my fault you fucked up....AGAIN.... Would have thought you are used to it by now. [8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 1:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant If you seriously think that's all that's changed, then I guess all those programs the Dems keep setting up and folks keep voting for themselves aren't worth what were told they are, are they? Which of those programs enabled the fergustan pd and courts to extort 2 million dollars a year from the dencendents of slaves? Not a one of them. But there again,not one of them...nor my point...have one thing to do with the Ferguson P.D.. You brought them up. quote: In turn, the problems of the Ferguson P.D. have absolutely nothing to do with gay lives...unless Michael Brown was gay too? If one lived in fergustan one would have to be deaf not to hear him refered to as a "cocksucker"since I am not there I cannot say whether they are alcolade or epithet. Either way you are the one who took it from gay lives to slavery in post 72.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 2:14:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant If you seriously think that's all that's changed, then I guess all those programs the Dems keep setting up and folks keep voting for themselves aren't worth what were told they are, are they? Which of those programs enabled the fergustan pd and courts to extort 2 million dollars a year from the dencendents of slaves? Not a one of them. But there again,not one of them...nor my point...have one thing to do with the Ferguson P.D.. You brought them up. quote: In turn, the problems of the Ferguson P.D. have absolutely nothing to do with gay lives...unless Michael Brown was gay too? If one lived in fergustan one would have to be deaf not to hear him refered to as a "cocksucker"since I am not there I cannot say whether they are alcolade or epithet. Either way you are the one who took it from gay lives to slavery in post 72. I did bring up the programs. I didn't bring up Ferguson. You did. And actually, MY post # 72 was in response to YOUR post #66 in which YOU brought up slaves and their owners. Do...you're wrong and lying while being wrong.

thompsonx -> RE: Gay lives Matter and Matter and Matter! (9/15/2015 2:18:24 PM)
#66 addresses the protected classes of which blacks are a constituant and why the protected classes are protected.

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