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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:00:17 PM   
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Either you are mentally disordered, or you're lying again. That's not anybody's narrative.

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Slurs and rhetoric are the tools of the bigot. I pointed out that you have been able to name only three, out of  tens of millions of slaves, who rose from slavery to slave owner...somehow if this were a significant trend there would be more than three one would think.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:01:49 PM   
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A racist country would never even get a black man into the primaries of a major party let alone elect one.
Some people would rather whine than say anything constructive.

Exactly, he says, what does he care about Malaysia, but Malaysia is the role model of how a racist country is runned. And no other race will ever get to be head of that country. That's real racism.

Whatever America is facing is, corruption in some parts within that needs to be fixed. But does not reflect on majority feelings towards black people.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:03:33 PM   
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Either you are mentally disordered, or you're lying again. That's not anybody's narrative.

K.
Slurs and rhetoric are the tools of the bigot. I pointed out that you have been able to name only three, out of  tens of millions of slaves, who rose from slavery to slave owner...somehow if this were a significant trend there would be more than three one would think.

He didn't say there were only three, he gave three examples, do you want him to print the entire census count of free blacks who owned slaves? How many pages do you want him to waste with this list?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:07:52 PM   
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You know full well I never said there was no racism in America, I even gave an example of a racist murder. I also contrasted that to the past when law enforcement often turned a blind eye to such things.

Actually you tried to weasel by saying that there wasn't any law enforcement available but it was  pointed out that law enforcement was actively involved.
Then there is this current fiasco in fergustan. So what was true in the past is true today...just a little mablene

As for the other the closest thing I said to that was that you would have a shread of logic to your position on if I had said that THEY HAD VOLUNTEERED TO BE SLAVES. What I said, and if you would just pay attention to what I actually wrote you would know this, is that their enemies captured them and turned them over to the slavers. I was quite specific about this, thinking it was clear enough that even a moron could understand, apparently at least one moron turned it around to mean the exact opposite of what I said.

The point is that the color of the seller is irrelevant yet you seem to think it is otherwise why have you brought this red herring to the table? 

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:18:18 PM   
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He didn't say there were only three, he gave three examples, do you want him to print the entire census count of free blacks who owned slaves? How many pages do you want him to waste with this list?


The article he linked us to uses the book I cited as the bassis for it's claims(yes the book contains the list of all the free blacks both those who owned slaves and their relationship to them). The book points out that those three represent a very specific set of circumstances. The book points out that the majority of the fmc who owned slaves we inheareted when we bought louisiana. About ten percent of free blacks owned slaves.  Of those ten percent more than ninety percent had purchased their family from their former owners so lets not be pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining???o.k cuz??

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:19:47 PM   
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Slurs and rhetoric are the tools of the bigot.

You're becoming quite a dog and pony show.
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    I only call idiots and liars idiots and liars...
Hold the applause...

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I pointed out that you have been able to name only three...

Nah, you just claimed that. More lies. Learn to click on links.

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out of tens of millions of slaves, who rose from slavery

Tens of millions. Whoosh. Do you have any connection with reality? Can you dress yourself?

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:22:13 PM   
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Whatever America is facing is, corruption in some parts within that needs to be fixed. But does not reflect on majority feelings towards black people.

This would be your agenda serving intentionally obtuse opinion and nothing more


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:27:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tens of millions. Whoosh. Do you have any connection with reality? Can you dress yourself?

I read someplace that the first slaves got to amerika about 1603 and that at it's peak there were more than 4 million slaves in the u.s..It would seem that even a lit major could do the math to figure out just how many slaves existed in amerika during that 250 year period?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:32:49 PM   
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The article he linked us to uses the book I cited as the bassis for it's claims. The book points out that those three represent a very specific set of circumstances. The book points out that the majority of the fmc who owned slaves we inheareted when we bought louisiana. About ten percent of free blacks owned slaves. Of those ten percent more than ninety percent had purchased their family from their former owners so lets not be pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining???o.k cuz??

Neither the book "Slaves Without Masters" nor its author Ira Berlin were mentioned in the article. It did, however, say this:

But lest we romanticize all of those small black slave owners who ostensibly purchased family members only for humanitarian reasons, even in these cases the evidence can be problematic. Halliburton, citing examples from an essay in the North American Review by Calvin Wilson in 1905, presents some hair-raising challenges to the idea that black people who owned their own family members always treated them well:

That's a colon at the end of that excerpt. See if you can figure out what it means.

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:34:15 PM   
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Either you are mentally disordered, or you're lying again. That's not anybody's narrative.

K.
Slurs and rhetoric are the tools of the bigot. I pointed out that you have been able to name only three, out of  tens of millions of slaves, who rose from slavery to slave owner...somehow if this were a significant trend there would be more than three one would think.

Read this.
americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

estimates from studies indicate as many as 3775 black slave owners.
If 4000 lynchings are significant to today, 3775 black slave owners is.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:45:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The point is that the color of the seller is irrelevant yet you seem to think it is otherwise why have you brought this red herring to the table?


The point is you claim it is based on racism. This means one of two things.
A Blacks were as racist against Blacks as Whites were
or
B It was economics.

Since the first slave owner in the colonies was black I am inclined to think it is B.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 7:51:26 PM   
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Then there is this current fiasco in fergustan. So what was true in the past is true today...just a little mablene

As usual you either can't read or you misquote me.
I said often there was not law enforcement avaliable not never.
I also said that there were periods when law enforcement turned a blind eye to lynchings.
As for Ferguson you know that Wilson was cleared by the Ferguson PD, the St Louis DA, the state police, and the DOJ the latter going there for the express purpose of nailing him. Or are you going to tell us now that Obama and Holder are closet Klansmen?

You have not yet said one positive thing or done anything other than call people names. Plus of course lying about what we have said.


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:08:06 PM   
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estimates from studies indicate as many as 3775 black slave owners.
If 4000 lynchings are significant to today, 3775 black slave owners is.

3775/20,000,000+ .Over 90percent family members bought out of slavery...just what is your point?


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:12:15 PM   
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estimates from studies indicate as many as 3775 black slave owners.
If 4000 lynchings are significant to today, 3775 black slave owners is.

3775/20,000,000+ .Over 90percent family members bought out of slavery...just what is your point?



You said
A. they didn't exist, or since only three were named that is all there were
B. 4000 lynched out of how many million? An even smaller %
C. You didn't read very well did you?
D. Since you seem to think you know everything how do we fix it.
You have not said one word about how to fix things, you just distort, whine, and lie.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:22:01 PM   
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The point is that the color of the seller is irrelevant yet you seem to think it is otherwise why have you brought this red herring to the table?


The point is you claim it is based on racism. This means one of two things.
A Blacks were as racist against Blacks as Whites were


Do you realize how stupid this statement is or do you just open your mouth to change feet. For an adult who claims to have a college degree to not recognize the difference is astonishing.  If white people from georgia kidnap white people from alabama and sell them to black people who claim they are racially superior to their slaves do you really think the kidnappers from georgia are racists? Do you really think that those who claim racial superiority are not racists?


B It was economics.

Since the first slave owner in the colonies was black I am inclined to think it is B.

Once again you are full of shit. The first slaves in america came in 1603. There is documentation from the jamestown colony in 1620 of black slaves being purchased by white colonist.

http://www.mythdebunk.com/first-slave-owner-african-american/

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:27:49 PM   
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The point is that the color of the seller is irrelevant yet you seem to think it is otherwise why have you brought this red herring to the table?


The point is you claim it is based on racism. This means one of two things.
A Blacks were as racist against Blacks as Whites were


Do you realize how stupid this statement is or do you just open your mouth to change feet. For an adult who claims to have a college degree to not recognize the difference is astonishing.  If white people from georgia kidnap white people from alabama and sell them to black people who claim they are racially superior to their slaves do you really think the kidnappers from georgia are racists? Do you really think that those who claim racial superiority are not racists?


B It was economics.

Since the first slave owner in the colonies was black I am inclined to think it is B.

Once again you are full of shit. The first slaves in america came in 1603. There is documentation from the jamestown colony in 1620 of black slaves being purchased by white colonist.

http://www.mythdebunk.com/first-slave-owner-african-american/

from wikepedia

In 1654, John Casor, a black indentured servant, was the first man to be declared a slave in a civil case. He had claimed to an officer that his owner, free black colonist Anthony Johnson, had held him past his indenture term. A neighbor, Robert Parker told Johnson that if he did not release Casor, Parker would testify in court to this fact; which under local laws, may have resulted in Johnson losing some of his headright lands. Under duress, Johnson freed Casor, who entered into a seven years' indenture with Parker. Feeling cheated, Johnson sued Parker to repossess Casor. A Northampton County court ruled for Johnson, declaring that Parker illegally was detaining Casor from his rightful master who legally held him "for the duration of his life".[10]

Those brought in in 1603 were indentured servants, like the Irish. And were freed at the end of their servatude, like the Irish.

As I stated earlier economics was the original reason, race became an excuse as time went on.

You suffer from the delusion that since I do not condemn the entire white race and say no black had anything to do with anything that happened I am a racist. I say that since you can see nothing but race you are.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:30:05 PM   
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Actually you tried to weasel by saying that there wasn't any law enforcement available but it was pointed out that law enforcement was actively involved.
Then there is this current fiasco in fergustan. So what was true in the past is true today...just a little mablene

As usual you either can't read or you misquote me.
I said often there was not law enforcement avaliable not never.
Which is a lie.  Law enforcement was often an active participant.


As for Ferguson you know that Wilson was cleared by the Ferguson PD, the St Louis DA, the state police,

This is true

and the DOJ

This is a lie. The doj found him unindictable, for a college boy you don't speak english very well.


the latter going there for the express purpose of nailing him.

If that were true why isn't he in jail. Are you saying the govt can not railroad someone?


Or are you going to tell us now that Obama and Holder are closet Klansmen?

How do you manage to think up such stupid shit?


You have not yet said one positive thing or done anything other than call people names. Plus of course lying about what we have said.

Actually I have pointed out your half truths and whole lies

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:34:44 PM   
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Because that is what is needed for Wilson to be cleared by a racist conspiracy.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:36:37 PM   
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No, you attack what your hate makes you assume I say.
You allow your racism to blind you to what I accually say.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/27/2015 8:37:51 PM   
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The point is that the color of the seller is irrelevant yet you seem to think it is otherwise why have you brought this red herring to the table?


The point is you claim it is based on racism. This means one of two things.
A Blacks were as racist against Blacks as Whites were


Do you realize how stupid this statement is or do you just open your mouth to change feet. For an adult who claims to have a college degree to not recognize the difference is astonishing.  If white people from georgia kidnap white people from alabama and sell them to black people who claim they are racially superior to their slaves do you really think the kidnappers from georgia are racists? Do you really think that those who claim racial superiority are not racists?


B It was economics.

Since the first slave owner in the colonies was black I am inclined to think it is B.

Once again you are full of shit. The first slaves in america came in 1603. There is documentation from the jamestown colony in 1620 of black slaves being purchased by white colonist.

http://www.mythdebunk.com/first-slave-owner-african-american/

from wikepedia

In 1654,

1620 is before 1654 dumbass


John Casor, a black indentured servant, was the first man to be declared a slave in a civil case. He had claimed to an officer that his owner, free black colonist Anthony Johnson, had held him past his indenture term. A neighbor, Robert Parker told Johnson that if he did not release Casor, Parker would testify in court to this fact; which under local laws, may have resulted in Johnson losing some of his headright lands. Under duress, Johnson freed Casor, who entered into a seven years' indenture with Parker. Feeling cheated, Johnson sued Parker to repossess Casor. A Northampton County court ruled for Johnson, declaring that Parker illegally was detaining Casor from his rightful master who legally held him "for the duration of his life".[10]

Those brought in in 1603 were indentured servants, like the Irish. And were freed at the end of their servatude, like the Irish.

The cite I listed says they were black and for sale.

As I stated earlier economics was the original reason, race became an excuse as time went on.

I it were economics why wernt white people enslaved at the same rate that  blacks were?


You suffer from the delusion that since I do not condemn the entire white race and say no black had anything to do with anything that happened I am a racist.

You are a racists because you are defending racism...that is pretty simple.  It has nothing to do with condeming the white race or anyone else.


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