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Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 1:56:25 AM   
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And frankly speaking, if I had to pick among all the choices available. I'd like to give Trump 4 years and see if he can live up to some of his promises, like build that simple wall which every other politician been ridiculing and saying it's too difficult to build. I just want to see if his able to make the wall happen.

Bring manufacturing back to the US, I'd like to see how he makes USA made cars become well world wide sought after, and beat Japanese cars.

Why not? If Germany can make their cars well sought after, why can't USA? Hell Germany even make their home appliances world wide well sought after. They even make quality sex toys, beats California exotics. US need to buck up, they used to be associated with quality, their home made products, and we used to love buying everything Made in the USA for it's quality. Now we just buy Germany and Japan. We are paying premiums for these. We know they won't be cheap, but consumers in Asia understand that quality comes with a price tag and we are okay with it.

And his gonna do something that I raised an eyebrown at. His gonna raise tax for the super rich and reduce taxes for the middle class. Not very republican, but I would like to see him achieve that.

And he claims he can come up with a better health care plan to replace obama care, which..., no specific ideas were mentioned, but super curious what is his idea of a better plan.

If he screws up the next 4 years and fail all his promises, then that gives both parties 4 years to come up with a better candidate than what's better out there now. And the whole world gets 4 years of fun entertainment.

I believe Trump is patriotic and genuinely believes he has the country's best interests at heart though. The problem is his personality and lack of diplomacy.

And anyway, I think Hillary is showing cowardice by avoiding many hard hitting interviews. I don't like a leader who is not brave to handle anything. Of course her scandals are not great.

I don't know about Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden who seem to be pressured to run but is reluctant to run.

Nobody else in the republican camp seem to be up to it.

Why not Michelle Obama? She's probably one of the best first lady US has ever seen. I am not a fan of Obama, but I love Michelle Obama as a representation of a modern woman on how one can be good mom, biggest cheerleader and supporter of her husband, just being there for her man, while still maintaining her independence and chasing her own dreams and making changes that she believes is good.

If there is no one better for the next four years. Love to see Michelle Obama or Trump in the white house.

And looking forward to Kenya versus Trump 2020.





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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 2:13:49 AM   
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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 2:19:05 AM   
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I agree with you up to the part where you mention michelle. (She's)? been a horrible first lady and by the way it's a dude.....look it up. The kids are adopted he's gay and she's a he. I shit you not..

Okay, are you serious? Or is this satire? I'm confused.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 3:48:09 AM   
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I agree with you up to the part where you mention michelle. (She's)? been a horrible first lady and by the way it's a dude.....look it up. The kids are adopted he's gay and she's a he. I shit you not..

Okay, are you serious? Or is this satire? I'm confused.

I can't find anything to support Jillian's PoV so I guess it's ironic satire

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 4:47:18 AM   
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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:22:52 AM   
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And frankly speaking, if I had to pick among all the choices available. I'd like to give Trump 4 years


Why would you let a man who has had multiple corporate bankruptsies be the ceo of the largest corporation in the world?
Why not just dig up cal worhtington?

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:31:15 AM   
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His perfect, since he knew how to fix his own debts into surpluses. This is exactly the kind of experience USA need. They got trillions of debt to dig themselves out of it. And until now, they still keep debating about raising the debt ceiling and increasing that debt! That's horrible!

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:38:49 AM   
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Why not Michelle Obama? She's probably one of the best first lady US has ever seen. I am not a fan of Obama, but I love Michelle Obama as a representation of a modern woman on how one can be good mom, biggest cheerleader and supporter of her husband, just being there for her man, while still maintaining her independence and chasing her own dreams and making changes that she believes is good.
If there is no one better for the next four years. Love to see Michelle Obama or Trump in the white house.
And looking forward to Kenya versus Trump 2020.


Being a good parent (male or female) doesn't make one Presidential. Being a cheerleader and supporter of your spouse (male or female) doesn't either. Neither means jack shit towards what kind of president one would be.

Didn't Hillary support her man? Wasn't she there for President Clinton, "while still maintaining her independence and chasing her own dreams and making changes that she believes is good?"

I cringe at the thought of Trump winning the election. His political credentials are nonexistent. His only real credentials are in his ability to build businesses, and rebuild if they fail. I have to give credit to the man for that. But, that doesn't make a person Presidential, either.

Other than being First Lady, what has Michele done that is indicative of her political ability? Hilary has actually been in politics outside of being First Lady. And, no, this is definitely not an "I support Hilary" moment. I cringe at her winning the election almost as much as I cringe over Trump winning.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:40:46 AM   
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He got his money from his father.

He went bankrupt 4 times. He kept a great deal of his stuff, and didn't pay people.

He is not as wealthy as he was when his father gave him his inheritance.

He owes a lot of people a lot of money, he is richer on paper than in his wallet.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:43:44 AM   
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No, not so.

He got his money from his father.

He went bankrupt 4 times. He kept a great deal of his stuff, and didn't pay people.

He is not as wealthy as he was when his father gave him his inheritance.

He owes a lot of people a lot of money, he is richer on paper than in his wallet.


You think his less wealthy than what he inherited? Where is the evidence for this? I think this part is most crucial, that if he was infact more wealthy than what he inherit despite going bankrupt a few times, is the perfect guy for the job.

But if there was truly evidence he is less wealthy now than when he inherited, liberal media will go nuts with it to smear him.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 7:55:53 AM   
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Being a good parent (male or female) doesn't make one Presidential. Being a cheerleader and supporter of your spouse (male or female) doesn't either. Neither means jack shit towards what kind of president one would be.
Didn't Hillary support her man? Wasn't she there for President Clinton, "while still maintaining her independence and chasing her own dreams and making changes that she believes is good?"

I didn't get the feel of the same involvement Hillary was, the way Michelle Obama was with Obama. Hillary probably couldn't do much damage if she was elected for 4 years too, that I agree, but I feel like Michelle Obama have more guts than her.

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But, that doesn't make a person Presidential, either.

What makes a person Presidential precisely?

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Other than being First Lady, what has Michele done that is indicative of her political ability? Hilary has actually been in politics outside of being First Lady. And, no, this is definitely not an "I support Hilary" moment. I cringe at her winning the election almost as much as I cringe over Trump winning.

The reason I am not worried about Michelle Obama overly messing everything up is because, having her will simply be like having Obama for another term. I mean, 4 more years of Obama is hardly gonna create a big crater. US economy did recover a little bit under his leadership. Just that debt keeps getting worst, but I am not confident in anybody else but Trump reducing this debt, as some really difficult decisions has to be made. And Trump will probably the only one who has the balls to push it through.

But my first choice is Trump, because of the reasons I stated in my OP. I want to see the Great Wall of America built and how he will revive manufacturing.

But who will win Presidency eventually right now, is like, anybody's game it seems. Trump is just popular now because the rest are so boring.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:02:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do. His net worth is 4 billion, he inherited 200 million (however, he hasn't filed bankruptcy in a while, and all the bills are not paid, and he is shoveling a great deal of money into this campaign) it isn't real money.

Why would someone so fiscally irresponsible be what this country needs? We have had enough of that.

We know we need to get our financial house in order, and we know he doesn't know how to do that.

Cuz, what would the countries of the world do, if we bankrupted on them? China, Japan, and so on?

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:11:21 AM   
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Being a good parent (male or female) doesn't make one Presidential. Being a cheerleader and supporter of your spouse (male or female) doesn't either. Neither means jack shit towards what kind of president one would be.
Didn't Hillary support her man? Wasn't she there for President Clinton, "while still maintaining her independence and chasing her own dreams and making changes that she believes is good?"

I didn't get the feel of the same involvement Hillary was, the way Michelle Obama was with Obama. Hillary probably couldn't do much damage if she was elected for 4 years too, that I agree, but I feel like Michelle Obama have more guts than her.


I disagree that Hillary couldn't do much damage. What involvement has Michelle had? The school lunch stuff that kids can't stand? Hillary pushed for national health care back then.

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But, that doesn't make a person Presidential, either.

What makes a person Presidential precisely?


How about political experience? My neighbor may have been a great Mom and wife. But, that doesn't mean anything towards her being a good President.

Michelle will be as divisive as President Obama, if not more. We don't need that at all. We're already too divided, as a country.

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Other than being First Lady, what has Michele done that is indicative of her political ability? Hilary has actually been in politics outside of being First Lady. And, no, this is definitely not an "I support Hilary" moment. I cringe at her winning the election almost as much as I cringe over Trump winning.

The reason I am not worried about Michelle Obama overly messing everything up is because, having her will simply be like having Obama for another term. I mean, 4 more years of Obama is hardly gonna create a big crater. US economy did recover a little bit under his leadership. Just that debt keeps getting worst, but I am not confident in anybody else but Trump reducing this debt, as some really difficult decisions has to be made. And Trump will probably the only one who has the balls to push it through.
But my first choice is Trump, because of the reasons I stated in my OP. I want to see the Great Wall of America built and how he will revive manufacturing.
But who will win Presidency eventually right now, is like, anybody's game it seems. Trump is just popular now because the rest are so boring.


I think President Obama has done plenty of damage. Four more years of him would make it more difficult to right the ship.

When the GOP regained control of the House of Representatives, they passed a budget plan that would balance the budget in 10 or 20 years. They passed a budget plan that actually planned to run deficits for 1-2 decades (I can't remember if it was 10 or 20 years). Rand Paul opposed that plan because it added significantly to the debt before being balanced. He pushed his own spending plan that balanced the budget in 5 years.

I didn't like the Rand Paul plan because it actually increased spending on the military while reducing it everywhere else. I don't think that's wise.

The main thing I loved about the Paul Ryan plan was that, in the end, spending budgets would be capped at the previous year's revenue level. I think that's a brilliant strategy, and it puts a very real incentive to work towards things that increase revenues for spending increases the following year.


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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:13:18 AM   
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I do. His net worth is 4 billion, he inherited 200 million (however, he hasn't filed bankruptcy in a while, and all the bills are not paid, and he is shoveling a great deal of money into this campaign) it isn't real money.

Again.., that is not to my knowledge that he has plenty of bills not paid. This part, I am gonna need to know where you get your facts from. Inheriting 200million and being worth 4billion today, or didn't he declare it as 7 billion? Seems like, pretty good to me.

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Cuz, what would the countries of the world do, if we bankrupted on them? China, Japan, and so on?

It's not about what they will do, but how Americans will suffer, when people are unable to withdraw their own hard earned money from their own banks, like Greece. When it comes to such issues, countries have no choice but to write off your debts and they will still survive as they have survived doing without that money that you can't pay back for so long, but if US is declaring bankruptcy...., oooh...., that's bad for their own people.
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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:23:32 AM   
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The question is, who do you like and think can help your nation get out of debt that is running?

Actually, in regards to National Health Care, the failure with Obamacare is that, there is no point instilling national health insurance country wide if the government does not regulate the pricings of health care in the US.

I can buy a worldwide insurance plan, that covers Canada, UK, Europe, Australia etc, I can get 100% coverage in any hospitals in any of these countries yet if I wanted to add USA to my list of coverage, a 200% loading will be added to my premium because USA is recognised as the most outrageously priced health care in the world.

I don't think Obama quite understand how national health care works and how to keep costs low. It actually starts with regulating prices of healthcare. I mean, I am sure some basic necessity things like gas pricing, electricity pricing, water pricing, maybe even public transport, if there is any, is regulated in some form, and yet, they don't feel it's important to regulate one of the most basic human necessity, which is health care?

That is the root of the problem.

In my country, we have recommended prices and have prosecuted and remove licenses from top surgeons. This is because, a medical cost of something that should cost maybe 300k, gets inflated to 1mil, just because the surgeon knows this person is claiming from insurance, so they want to profit from it. I believe currently in the US, there is no regulation, no controls as to health care cost.

And if there are no controls, insurance premiums can only get unreasonable, EVEN with the strength of the whole population getting coverage.



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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:31:07 AM   
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Why would we have some rush to withdraw money? Our economy, though not faultless is in no danger of running the banks.

And you better believe it is what will other countries do if we bankrupt. King of the Hill is toppled, there will be a ruckus.

The concept that Trump could do something Americawise that would put us in better shape, is beyond naive.

How will he get some fiscally responsible legislation thru the government? What is the legislatures impetus for doing this? They are beholden to Dark Money (but they know where it comes from), corporations, and lobbies, not to the American people and certainly not to a president.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:39:28 AM   
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I do. His net worth is 4 billion, he inherited 200 million (however, he hasn't filed bankruptcy in a while, and all the bills are not paid, and he is shoveling a great deal of money into this campaign) it isn't real money.

Again.., that is not to my knowledge that he has plenty of bills not paid. This part, I am gonna need to know where you get your facts from. Inheriting 200million and being worth 4billion today, or didn't he declare it as 7 billion? Seems like, pretty good to me.

Like many things Greta, you seem to have evolved a very naive PoV and think they are true.
Try Google.
You'll find many sites that quote that Trump has been bankrupt in a majorly way at least 4 times in recent history.
You'll also find many that say he regularly overstates his wealth far beyond what the outside world rates his wealth is actually at. The last site I looked at said he thinks he is worth $10Bn when many rate it at only $230m and he has at least $560m in personal debts that he hasn't paid.
His 'empire' is in tatters and worth very little because the last 4 major bankruptcies filed for Chapter 11 and he keeps renegotiating his debts with creditors.

Trump would bankrupt the USA and a country can't hide from worldwide creditors like he can as a citizen.

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Cuz, what would the countries of the world do, if we bankrupted on them? China, Japan, and so on?

It's not about what they will do, but how Americans will suffer, when people are unable to withdraw their own hard earned money from their own banks, like Greece.

And when Trump causes the same problems???? You still think he's the right guy for the job?

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BTW, may I ask if you are GoGo?

What is the definition of that word?



Are you not capable of looking this up??

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:45:46 AM   
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Why would we have some rush to withdraw money? Our economy, though not faultless is in no danger of running the banks.

We were talking about in the scenerio where US decides to just declare bankruptcy. You can be sure people are gonna panic and rush to the banks.
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And you better believe it is what will other countries do if we bankrupt. King of the Hill is toppled, there will be a ruckus.

I doubt it. King of the Hill not been King of the Hill for awhile now. When the 2008 crisis happened, all other countries survived and while US was slow on recovery, many others bounced back faster.

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The concept that Trump could do something Americawise that would put us in better shape, is beyond naive.
How will he get some fiscally responsible legislation thru the government? What is the legislatures impetus for doing this? They are beholden to Dark Money (but they know where it comes from), corporations, and lobbies, not to the American people and certainly not to a president.

I think I have more confidence in him than you do. His not somebody who knows everything, but he knows where to find the right people to help him achieve what he wants to do. I mean, that's what good leaders do, find the right advisors and the right people to make the things you want to happen, happen.



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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 8:47:39 AM   
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The bankrupt answer would only come from trump if president, and he aint going to be elected to scrub our toilets.

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RE: Michelle Obama for President - 9/16/2015 9:11:45 AM   
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A man who went through multiple bankrupt and have risen as richer than ever, more financially healthy than ever?

His perfect, since he knew how to fix his own debts into surpluses. This is exactly the kind of experience USA need. They got trillions of debt to dig themselves out of it. And until now, they still keep debating about raising the debt ceiling and increasing that debt! That's horrible!

Actually it was some of his companies that went bankrupt, not him. It's not the same thing.

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