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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 4:51:49 PM   
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I think the best answer anyone gave to this was, why should I defend Obama, when was the last time he defended me.


My thought was why does Trump have to defend him. The person asking the question has the right of free speech and has the right to his opinion (even though I believe his opinion is incorrect). So, a Presidential candidate is supposed to say to someone, "No, you can't/shouldn't say that"?


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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 5:02:11 PM   
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He was vocal about it enough a couple of years ago.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 5:03:22 PM   
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I think the best answer anyone gave to this was, why should I defend Obama, when was the last time he defended me.

My thought was why does Trump have to defend him. The person asking the question has the right of free speech and has the right to his opinion (even though I believe his opinion is incorrect). So, a Presidential candidate is supposed to say to someone, "No, you can't/shouldn't say that"?

Yeah, I agree. I thought he handled it well by remaining respectful of the speaker.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 5:11:44 PM   
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I think the best answer anyone gave to this was, why should I defend Obama, when was the last time he defended me.


My thought was why does Trump have to defend him. The person asking the question has the right of free speech and has the right to his opinion (even though I believe his opinion is incorrect). So, a Presidential candidate is supposed to say to someone, "No, you can't/shouldn't say that"?


Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 5:19:31 PM   
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I think the best answer anyone gave to this was, why should I defend Obama, when was the last time he defended me.


My thought was why does Trump have to defend him. The person asking the question has the right of free speech and has the right to his opinion (even though I believe his opinion is incorrect). So, a Presidential candidate is supposed to say to someone, "No, you can't/shouldn't say that"?


Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

It actually doesn't change my position at all. I'm not defending Trump. I'm questioning why any candidate is expected tell anyone in an open forum what they can and can't say.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 5:23:32 PM   
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I think the best answer anyone gave to this was, why should I defend Obama, when was the last time he defended me.


My thought was why does Trump have to defend him. The person asking the question has the right of free speech and has the right to his opinion (even though I believe his opinion is incorrect). So, a Presidential candidate is supposed to say to someone, "No, you can't/shouldn't say that"?


Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

It actually doesn't change my position at all. I'm not defending Trump. I'm questioning why any candidate is expected tell anyone in an open forum what they can and can't say.

Sorry, I can see your interpretation of what I said. Actually I am pretty much in agreement with you, I was merely pointing out that the faux outrage had even less justitfication than it had seemed to. I too am not a Trump supporter but this "scandle" is rediculous.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 6:40:44 PM   
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An oldie but a goodie: Colin Powell on whether Obama is a Muslim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovW8rBPg_FU

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 6:51:23 PM   
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Just like a hardcore Christian would place their religious beliefs ahead of the US Constitution. The problem is, how do we know if the person is a hardcore Christian? Do we just assume, like all conservatives do towards Muslims, that the person....MUST BE....hardcore because they stated they are Christian?

This stems from your ignorance about Islam. Tell me one Christian country today who will put to death any Christian who wants to denounce Christianity? I can tell you the so-called moderate muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia have that in their laws, even today. Death penalty for leaving Islam. You aren't comparing apples to apples.

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The fear you and other conservatives have towards Islam stems from ignorance rather than education. Not all Muslims are like those psychos who flew planes into buildings on 9/11.

There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and it's estimated to be about 25% of them who are extremist, the rest probably don't care and just want to live a normal and comfortable life. But that is still 300 million people who wants western civilization to die. 300 million is the same amount of people as in the US isn't it? So 300 Million people wants non-muslims dead. I don't know how we can possibly profile or check which one of those Muslims running for President is one of that 300 million. But I do not support any man or woman who subscribe to Islam, simply because, it is the only religion in the world that encourages violence against women. It's in their Quran, specific instructions were stated

On top of that, I don't know any extremist Christian organization who's life purpose is to murder western civilization, do you? If they actually exist, please enlighten me? Most extremist Christians war is just against abortion, which at least, they are trying to stop the killing of what they think is a living thing, even though, I am pro-abortion, but at least their causes is more about bringing life than taking away life.

So thank you Ben Carson being brave enough to stand up and saying that is not acceptable!





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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 6:57:36 PM   
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Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

If this was true.
The media is screwed up big time. They have no journalistic integrity at all by misrepresenting.

Hell That would be considered as a defense. Even though he doesn't even have to acknowledge anything.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 7:01:41 PM   
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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 7:28:19 PM   
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Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

If this was true.
The media is screwed up big time. They have no journalistic integrity at all by misrepresenting.

Hell That would be considered as a defense. Even though he doesn't even have to acknowledge anything.

SOP
They have no journalistic intergrity.
See Candi Crawley in the 2012 debate where she jumped into the debate to help Obama then it turned out the next day that there was absolute proof, Obama on tape saying a video caused Benghazi. Rommney had called him on it Obama lied and denied it, Crawley who was suppossed to be neutral jumped in to back Obama. By the time the truth came out it was too late to help Rommney. That is what passes for journalistic integrety these days.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 11:22:55 PM   
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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/22/2015 11:44:21 PM   
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The writers of the US Constitution never allowed 'some thug to have a gun' outside the law. If a law was pass that ban all muskets. The only people that could have muskets would be those in "A well regulated militia...". The thug, would either have to stop using the musket, or be in trouble with the law.



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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 4:46:20 AM   
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An oldie but a goodie: Colin Powell on whether Obama is a Muslim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovW8rBPg_FU


Thank you for posting that.

Powell's gracious and eloquent response stands in stark contrast to the pathetic drivel being advanced to excuse Trump's conniving with a flat out lie, for reasons of political expediency.

If I was American I would be asking myself if I wanted a President who is prepared to connive with liars in order to gain some political advantage? There is some history that people might find instructive on this point. All that is needed is a glance at the Nixon Presidency. We all know how that one worked out in the end.

Do people want a President who, like Nixon, is going to lie to them or play along with politically useful lies to suit his ends or do they want someone who is committed to the truth no matter how pleasant or unpleasant that might be?

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 5:23:49 AM   
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Obama is absolutely not a muslim *cough*.

However, he was a member of a "Christian" church where the "pastor" advocated for God to damn America and only left the church when it was politically expedient.



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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 7:25:28 AM   
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Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

If this was true.
The media is screwed up big time. They have no journalistic integrity at all by misrepresenting.

Hell That would be considered as a defense. Even though he doesn't even have to acknowledge anything.

SOP
They have no journalistic intergrity.
See Candi Crawley in the 2012 debate where she jumped into the debate to help Obama then it turned out the next day that there was absolute proof, Obama on tape saying a video caused Benghazi. Rommney had called him on it Obama lied and denied it, Crawley who was suppossed to be neutral jumped in to back Obama. By the time the truth came out it was too late to help Rommney. That is what passes for journalistic integrety these days.


My god you cant even remember things from three years ago correctly
Her name is CROWLEY. And Romney said the president didnt call it an "ACT OF TERROR Crowley pointed out Obama had said it. When the president ACTUALLY DID say it was an act of terror, the day AFTER the attacks.
There is video of him saying it.



Presidential debate moderator Candy Crowley fact checked Mitt Romney after the Republican presidential candidate charged that President Obama failed to call the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi an "act of terror." (See update below).

More than an hour into the debate, an undecided voter in the town hall forum asked the president about the recent attack in Libya that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three additional Americans.

When Romney responded to the question, he charged that it took Obama days to call the Benghazi attack an act of terror. Obama called the incident an "act of terror" during his remarks on September 12, just one day after the tragedy.

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for," Obama said in the Rose Garden. "Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America."

Obama interrupted Romney, telling the Republican presidential candidate to "get the transcript" of his remarks. When the governor doubled down on his charge, Crowley interjected, saying the president "did in fact" call the attack an act of terror.

"He did in fact call it an 'act of terror,'" Crowley said.

"Can you say that a little louder?" Obama asked.

Crowley continued speaking to Romney. Referring to the president, she said, "It did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that."

The succinct live factcheck left quite the impression. Twitter exploded with messages praising and criticizing the CNN host.

Crowley joined her CNN colleagues just after the debate concluded, where she was immediately asked about her Libya-related point.

"I knew that the president had said 'act of terror,'" Crowley said. "I heard it ... [Romney] picked that one wrong fact."

UPDATE: On Wednesday, Crowley responded to conservative critics who said she "backtracked" on her Libya fact check.

During an interview with Soledad O'Brien, Crowley firmly stated that she did not backtrack on her fact check:

...We got hung up on this, “Yes, he said. No, I didn’t. I said terror. You didn’t say terror.” And then there was this point they both kind of looked at me...And what I wanted to move this along...So I said, “He did say acts of terror, called it an act of terror. But Governor Romney, you are perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/candy-crowley-fact-checks-mitt-romney-libya_n_1972313.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc
Video of the pres calling it an act of terror the day after the attacks.


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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 8:18:48 AM   
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and I do not quote exactly "DEATH TO AMERICA AND DEATH TO ISRAEL"



If that is not enough consider what Dr Ben really has to say below. these are my additions <<>>

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"If you've been following the latest "controversy" over my comments about Islam, you know the arrows are out for me.

I will need your help to push back, but I want you to know exactly where I stand. These are my beliefs and I will not back down:

>>>>>Many parts of Sharia Law are not compatible with the U.S. Constitution.
Under Sharia, homosexuals -- men and women alike -- must be killed. Women must be subservient.
And people following other religions must be killed as well.<<<<<

There are many peaceful Muslims who do not adhere to these beliefs. But until these tenets are fully renounced I cannot advocate any Muslim candidate for President.

I also can't advocate supporting Hillary Clinton for President by the way.

Because I shared my honest opinion, I've come under intense fire from the media, nearly every leading Democrat, and even some of my Republican peers.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has called for me to drop out of the presidential race, saying I am "unfit to lead."

I will not back down -- but I need your help to push back right now.

Too many Americans have been persuaded to follow the Far Left's political correctness (PC) speech code, believing that if only we are extra careful to not offend anyone, we will achieve unity. This would not be unity -- it would be paralysis.

Political correctness run amok is preventing us from speaking honestly about our challenges, our differences and our culture. It's dangerous and I will not abide by it.

I'm not a politician with my finger in the wind, and running for President was not on my bucket list. So I'm not going to say whatever I need to say to get elected.

I am going to speak the truth as I know it, and do what I believe is right and just -- even if it makes some uncomfortable.

I believe deeply in every word of the U.S. Constitution and the Judeo-Christian values that form its foundation. As your President I would swear to preserve, protect and defend it.

The Far Left and even some of my Republican peers are trying to use this episode as a way to bring down my candidacy, but together we can emerge stronger than ever.

Please stand in support of our shared values and help me show the power of "We the People" by making a donation now.

Thank you for your time, your support, and your dedication to creating a better American future for the next generation.

Sincerely,

Ben Carson"

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 8:23:32 AM   
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The man couldnt pass a competency test for president. For any normal person.






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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 8:30:41 AM   
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Thank god thats over.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/23/2015 9:01:20 AM   
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And pro-life people like me disavow them and support their punishment as opposed to making them heroes.

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