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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/24/2015 11:19:57 AM   
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Ignored in this is that Trumps response was This is a question???? I come here and this is the first question??? Doesn't give a lot of support for the position, does it.

If this was true.
The media is screwed up big time. They have no journalistic integrity at all by misrepresenting.

Hell That would be considered as a defense. Even though he doesn't even have to acknowledge anything.

That's not entirely true. Yes Trump said that, but that's not all he said. Here's the actual video. Check out the 13 second mark.
https://www.facebook.com/HuffingtonPost/videos/10153373623171130/


Audience member: We have a problem in this country. Its called Muslims. You know our current president is one.

Trump. Right

Audience member: You know he's not even an American.

Trump: We need this question. This is the first question.



Was it
We need this question!
or
We need this question?
In watching this he seemed dismissive.
And as I said he is not my choice.


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Valid point about his tone with the last part. But still, he responded with "right" when the guy said Obama was a Muslim. So he may have seemed uninterested in pursuing the statements, but not until he first validated them.


To play the devils advocate he may well have just been acknowledging the guys position rather than agreeing with him. Let me repeat Trump is, for me, behind not only the next three in the polls, but others as well. I don't care for him but I think this is an overblown gotcha.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/24/2015 11:48:03 AM   
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as are all the clowns in that clowncar, none of those imbeciles will be elected dog catcher.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/24/2015 2:05:41 PM   
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Oh please, 20 yr olds means people in their 20's.
Here you say it does


Please stop deliberately misunderstanding. I followed up with 20+ years old in that same post.

Here you say it don't

So even if it's a 21 yr old, it's still in the 20's range.

Thank you that is much clearer now

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/24/2015 2:14:26 PM   
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Dumbass the president of your country is a christian.

Our President is Buddhist or Atheist anyway. Buddha ain't a God. Just human.
And our Prime Minister is Atheist.


According to this he is an anglican (church of england)which would make him a christian and you full of shit. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tan#Personal_life

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 5:41:21 PM   
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To play the devils advocate he may well have just been acknowledging the guys position rather than agreeing with him.


I have trouble believing that Trump has gotten to where he has, with the business and negotiating experience that he has, by having the habit of making affirmative statements where affirmation is not intended. Seems to me that would be a serious liability for a businessman.

Now, considering that Trump himself has a well-documented history of questioning Obama's citizenship, it doesn't seem such a stretch that he would instinctively agree with a statement saying that Obama isn't a citizen.

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Let me repeat Trump is, for me, behind not only the next three in the polls, but others as well.

Yes, you have stated that you don't support him. I think the phrase you used was 'loose cannon'. I agree entirely. I can only begin to imagine the potential consequences of him being involved in sensitive negotiations with foreign leaders, and him getting perturbed over something. Later he's in a press conference and pops off with an insulting remark about said leaders, offends them, tries to back pedal, accuse them of treating him unfairly, calls them all losers, threatens with the government equivalent of a libel lawsuit (his go-to maneuver), and we end up in WWIII.

Yes that's a bit over the top, but then so is Trump.

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I don't care for him but I think this is an overblown gotcha.


If this were an isolated incident, I would agree. But it is just one more of a long series on gaffes and off-the-cuff-remarks that have become a well-established pattern with him. If you ask me, he is bringing it all on himself.

Trump is the school yard bully who has never been challenged by someone bigger than him, and he's always been able to operate on his own turf in relative privacy. Now he is being watched by everyone else on the playground, and he's getting called out on his antics, even by people that used to be his friends. Now they are embarrassed to be friends with him. And he is getting his feelings hurt, stomping his foot in the dirt, and whining about people being unfair to him, all the while opening his mouth and consistently throwing impulsive remarks that show just how thick-headed he is.

While watching tv with me the other day, even my little human at home remarked about how juvenile Trump's behavior was, and how he sounded like the children whining about cheating when they were put out while playing foursquare. And he's still in elementary school.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 6:49:36 PM   
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To play the devils advocate he may well have just been acknowledging the guys position rather than agreeing with him.


I have trouble believing that Trump has gotten to where he has, with the business and negotiating experience that he has, by having the habit of making affirmative statements where affirmation is not intended. Seems to me that would be a serious liability for a businessman.

Now, considering that Trump himself has a well-documented history of questioning Obama's citizenship, it doesn't seem such a stretch that he would instinctively agree with a statement saying that Obama isn't a citizen.

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Let me repeat Trump is, for me, behind not only the next three in the polls, but others as well.

Yes, you have stated that you don't support him. I think the phrase you used was 'loose cannon'. I agree entirely. I can only begin to imagine the potential consequences of him being involved in sensitive negotiations with foreign leaders, and him getting perturbed over something. Later he's in a press conference and pops off with an insulting remark about said leaders, offends them, tries to back pedal, accuse them of treating him unfairly, calls them all losers, threatens with the government equivalent of a libel lawsuit (his go-to maneuver), and we end up in WWIII.

Yes that's a bit over the top, but then so is Trump.

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I don't care for him but I think this is an overblown gotcha.


If this were an isolated incident, I would agree. But it is just one more of a long series on gaffes and off-the-cuff-remarks that have become a well-established pattern with him. If you ask me, he is bringing it all on himself.

Trump is the school yard bully who has never been challenged by someone bigger than him, and he's always been able to operate on his own turf in relative privacy. Now he is being watched by everyone else on the playground, and he's getting called out on his antics, even by people that used to be his friends. Now they are embarrassed to be friends with him. And he is getting his feelings hurt, stomping his foot in the dirt, and whining about people being unfair to him, all the while opening his mouth and consistently throwing impulsive remarks that show just how thick-headed he is.

While watching tv with me the other day, even my little human at home remarked about how juvenile Trump's behavior was, and how he sounded like the children whining about cheating when they were put out while playing foursquare. And he's still in elementary school.


I can sum up my answer with I don't know how he got were he is. I didn't use the term loose cannon. I do think he is overly flambouyant.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:14:20 PM   
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Trump is the school yard bully who has never been challenged by someone bigger than him, and he's always been able to operate on his own turf in relative privacy. Now he is being watched by everyone else on the playground, and he's getting called out on his antics, even by people that used to be his friends. Now they are embarrassed to be friends with him. And he is getting his feelings hurt, stomping his foot in the dirt, and whining about people being unfair to him, all the while opening his mouth and consistently throwing impulsive remarks that show just how thick-headed he is.

I thought Trump did fantastically well with Colbert recently. I think he is working on himself to be more measured. Trump didn't reach to where he is today by not learning from his mistakes and adapting and making changes. When it comes to policies, he himself also say, and his the only one who says this. That whatever he says now, may not be the best solution WHEN he gets to office, because other information or factors might be revealed to him that will make him change his strategy on what is the best solution.

This man is a problem solver. Beneath all that childish name calling, his just really sensitive to people putting him down, but other than that, behind that, I feel is a man capable enough of finding solutions for problems of the nation.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:17:13 PM   
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Trump is the school yard bully who has never been challenged by someone bigger than him, and he's always been able to operate on his own turf in relative privacy. Now he is being watched by everyone else on the playground, and he's getting called out on his antics, even by people that used to be his friends. Now they are embarrassed to be friends with him. And he is getting his feelings hurt, stomping his foot in the dirt, and whining about people being unfair to him, all the while opening his mouth and consistently throwing impulsive remarks that show just how thick-headed he is.

I thought Trump did fantastically well with Colbert recently. I think he is working on himself to be more measured. Trump didn't reach to where he is today by not learning from his mistakes and adapting and making changes. When it comes to policies, he himself also say, and his the only one who says this. That whatever he says now, may not be the best solution WHEN he gets to office, because other information or factors might be revealed to him that will make him change his strategy on what is the best solution.

This man is a problem solver. Beneath all that childish name calling, his just really sensitive to people putting him down, but other than that, behind that, I feel is a man capable enough of finding solutions for problems of the nation.


He is too flambouyant for my taste, but there are worse people out there. He hasn't been sharing classified information with uncleared friends.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:19:53 PM   
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According to this he is an anglican (church of england)which would make him a christian and you full of shit. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tan#Personal_life


I am looking at it and I cannot see where does it say his Angelican. I doubt he even attends church ever. If his seen in any way as a staunch christian, he'd never become President. Our politicians are never like some Republicans who keep invoking their religious beliefs in their political speeches or debates.

Because as I said, in Singapore, the more religious you are, the less likely you will win any vote. It's quite interesting because religious people are not viewed in a positive light here. We question their ability to segregate their religious beliefs and making decisions based on pragmatic thinking, which is I think what is our core and what we believe in. Just be pragmatic with solutions. I once went to a job interview and my interviewer said to me, "I'm a Christian, you can trust me." And I never returned their call ever again for second interview! No psycho Christian boss for me.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:23:16 PM   
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He is too flambouyant for my taste, but there are worse people out there. He hasn't been sharing classified information with uncleared friends.

At the moment, there seem to be information on what's in those emails yet apparently. Hillary claims it's extremely boring stuffs about her day.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:38:44 PM   
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He is too flambouyant for my taste, but there are worse people out there. He hasn't been sharing classified information with uncleared friends.

I don't know man. He gets his feathers ruffled enough and he will share confidences, like private cell phone numbers. To the world. Let someone disagree with him on some issue that involves sensitive information, and I wouldn't put it past him to blurt something out out of spite and lack of self-control.

But anyone who does that should have to answer for it, party affiliation be damned.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:48:11 PM   
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Trump still has a whole year to improve on his behaviour. I think he knows the name calling and over-sensitivity needs to stop. He needs to start behaving Presidential. I have faith he can do it by next year.

In a way, this is like a nation-wide apprentice, he is the contestant and he has to please his bosses, the American citizens to win.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:52:04 PM   
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Trump still has a whole year to improve on his behaviour. I think he knows the name calling and over-sensitivity needs to stop.

But isn't his current behavior--unscripted, blunt, even boorish--the taproot of his appeal? Sand down the rough edges, and you'll wind up with just another professional vote-seeker.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 8:56:09 PM   
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Trump still has a whole year to improve on his behaviour. I think he knows the name calling and over-sensitivity needs to stop.

But isn't his current behavior--unscripted, blunt, even boorish--the taproot of his appeal? Sand down the rough edges, and you'll wind up with just another professional vote-seeker.

No, people do not approve of his name calling behaviour, but people can also see behind that, his plans for the country resonated on what they want for their country.

Trump has always been easily butthurt, I think everyone knows that, and he can't filter in responses when it happens.

It's not his bad behaviour that they are approving but they really see it as a genuine inability on his part to filter when he got emotional. While politicians need to stay in control but someone too calm is seen as untrustworthy too. Trump is just coming across as more human and more genuine.

And his the type of man that says stupid things but his actions. Like how can he be against women when his so proud of his daughter, who is an example of how women can contribute as equally good as men in a corporate environment? The wife he married, was his business partner. The first wife. He always had respect for powerful women and women who can be powerful.

When his butthurt, he says mean things.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/25/2015 9:04:14 PM   
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He is too flambouyant for my taste, but there are worse people out there. He hasn't been sharing classified information with uncleared friends.

I don't know man. He gets his feathers ruffled enough and he will share confidences, like private cell phone numbers. To the world. Let someone disagree with him on some issue that involves sensitive information, and I wouldn't put it past him to blurt something out out of spite and lack of self-control.

But anyone who does that should have to answer for it, party affiliation be damned.

As I have said, he isn't even in my top 4 among Republicans.
As for Hillary, the FBI says different.
I don't think she knows when she is telling the truth anymore.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/27/2015 10:14:18 AM   
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According to this he is an anglican (church of england)which would make him a christian and you full of shit. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tan#Personal_life


I am looking at it and I cannot see where does it say his Angelican.

Perhaps if you actually lived in singapore you would know these things.

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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/27/2015 10:32:52 AM   
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According to this he is an anglican (church of england)which would make him a christian and you full of shit. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tan#Personal_life


I am looking at it and I cannot see where does it say his Angelican.

Perhaps if you actually lived in singapore you would know these things.


so lets get this straight---greta commented on the religious status of her prime minister.

you countered by providing a link stating he was a Christian and then insulted her related to her prior statement of his religious status.

she responded by saying she could not see anywhere in the link you posted that said her pm is Anglican.

and then mind bogglingly, your reaction to that is to question the veracity of where she lives?







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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/27/2015 12:47:53 PM   
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so lets get this straight---greta commented on the religious status of her prime minister.

you countered by providing a link stating he was a Christian and then insulted her related to her prior statement of his religious status.

she responded by saying she could not see anywhere in the link you posted that said her pm is Anglican.

and then mind bogglingly, your reaction to that is to question the veracity of where she lives?
If you follow her posts you will find her referencing u.s. candidates for president as who she would vote/want. I have reminded her a few times that those positions could only be held by a u.s. resident. Perhaps you are not as observant.
She has incorrectly stated the salaries of singapore's government officials. She has incorrectly stated the policies of singapore. In short her credibility as a current resident of singapore is more than a little compromised.


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RE: Trump not defending Obama for being the M Word - 9/27/2015 6:53:42 PM   
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She has incorrectly stated the salaries of singapore's government officials.

I didn't incorrectly state their salaries.

As the info you have is in American dollars, whereas I was stating their salaries in Singapore dollars. Both our countries uses dollars ya know. And how often do they update the exchange rate. Within the last few years, 1USD was 1.8SGD, then it drop to 1USD to 1.2SGD, then now it's hovering about 1USD to 1.4SGD.

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If you follow her posts you will find her referencing u.s. candidates for president as who she would vote/want.

For me, it doesn't matter whether I can vote or not. How I feel about who your next President is, gives me alot of clarity on what I would vote for in my country, for my country.

There is alot to learn from the issues that other countries are facing. And their leaders mistake or successes.

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