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John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 7:55:24 PM   
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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:00:37 PM   
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It should be interesting to see what happens now but it might not...be any different.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:08:14 PM   
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Good. I hope that his replacement is decent and not establishment.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:13:00 PM   
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Of course he's leaving now because there really isn't much more significant damage he can do. So he leaves behind a legacy of partisan temper tantrums and deliberate gridlock and somehow calls that a job well done.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:29:40 PM   
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It could be much worse...damn tea party nuts.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:41:07 PM   
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So he leaves behind a legacy of partisan temper tantrums and deliberate gridlock and somehow calls that a job well done.

Is he calling it a job well done?

I'm wondering if he sees it as buying freedom--"just another word for nothin' left to lose"--for staving off a shutdown and making as dignified an end as possible.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 8:50:46 PM   
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DC I believe his conscience got the best of him. The Pope and his preaching has made him realize how damning his behavior has been in defending his political party and their radical anti-Christian actions and demands. Rather than change his ways he has decided to run from them thinking this will save his soul.

I think i will pray for the Pope and he should pray for his own salvation....a lot!

Butch

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 9:08:18 PM   
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DC I believe his conscience got the best of him. The Pope and his preaching has made him realize how damning his behavior has been in defending his political party and their radical anti-Christian actions and demands. Rather than change his ways he has decided to run from them.

Butch

My armchair-shrink theory is a bit different. I hypothesize that hearing the clearly beloved Pope talk about things that really matter spurred Boehner to ponder the futility of his tenure as a never-sure-of-his-own-supporters speaker and to realize he'd spent years trying to reason with, often losing to, folks whose idea of dialogue is a government shutdown. That's one serious reality check.

I'm admittedly hazy on the details, but my (mis)understanding is that no longer needing votes to retain his gavel gives him elbow room for staving off a shutdown. From that perspective, he could be sacrificing his career to do what he thinks is best for the nation. At least, there's some dignity to that end.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 9:10:37 PM   
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I hope you are right and I am wrong...we will see I guess.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/25/2015 9:16:56 PM   
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Ted Cruz sounds like Vladimir Lenin when it comes to "party discipline" and demeaning compromise and moderates.

It could not have been easy dealing with nuts who would have defaulted on the national debt and now seek another gov't shutdown over Panned Parenthood.

The checkout girl at the grocery store tonight said she was from TX and was embarrassed by it politically.

Everything is war and a crisis with the ultra-right wingers. It's got to be soul destroying for realists, pragmatists, and anyone interested in getting things done. Instead they are conducting a neo-civil war that holds the nation back and prevents it from achieving its full potential.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 2:18:08 AM   
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some of you are operating under this strange assumption that its congress's job to "do something"

a few things: for the most part, what mess we are in is due to government involvement in places where many, if not most people, believe it doesn't belong. I don't want congress (or the government in general) to "do something," I want them to do less.

which is a nice segue into our social/political differences. when democrats and republicans are so philosophically at odds with each other---just what does "doing something" look like? it means finding those rare places where bi-partisan agreement exists (if any) and to me, it also means putting a halt on the liberal agenda. the last two congressional elections where democrats were voted out in droves should give you an idea of where most of the country stands on that latter point.

liberals like to cry that republicans are obstructionists, or the "party of no"---how absurd, as if republicans in those instances are doing something other than holding true to their positions and representing the will of their constituents. did we ever hear liberals raising a fuss when harry reid refused to allow votes, which actually is obstructionist, on republican sponsored bills?

its interesting how republicans get cast in the role of "shutting the government" down whenever liberals don't get their way, never minding the will of the people. also, "defaulting on the government debt" is not a part of the equation. for democrats and their sympathizers to continue to bring it up is either ignorant, or disingenuous.

lastly---tea party nuts? ultra right wingers? it says something pretty bad about our country when people who advocate for lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (yeah, 19 trillion in debt is a good thing), and limited/constitutional government are viewed in such a light.

to the point of the thread---to aylee's point, john Boehner was viewed as an establishment type of republican who did not represent the more conservative aspect of the party. in that regard, he is more or less "democrat lite." his departure was cheered by many at recent speeches being given by some of the current presidential candidates. among other things, I heard there were ~30 congressional members seeking a "no confidence" vote.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 2:47:06 AM   
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You want your boys to stop the liberal agenda, and you want the libs to let you do whatever when you want.
but you want congress to do less.
WHen your party wants to shut down funding over a lying set of clips from a manipulated video, without waiting for ALL the investsigations come in, says truth doesnt matter.
But then The party of no , has gone from the party of no, to the party of , "if you dont give me my way, im gonna shut the place down" fuck the world.
Theyve fucked vets, they continue to shaft women, theyve fucked the poor, the sick, the needy, and expect not to get any shit on them from ANYONE?
Believing they dont matter is delusional right there.





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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 2:54:08 AM   
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quote:

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some of you are operating under this strange assumption that its congress's job to "do something"
a few things: for the most part, what mess we are in is due to government involvement in places where many, if not most people, believe it doesn't belong. I don't want congress (or the government in general) to "do something," I want them to do less.
which is a nice segue into our social/political differences. when democrats and republicans are so philosophically at odds with each other---just what does "doing something" look like? it means finding those rare places where bi-partisan agreement exists (if any) and to me, it also means putting a halt on the liberal agenda. the last two congressional elections where democrats were voted out in droves should give you an idea of where most of the country stands on that latter point.
liberals like to cry that republicans are obstructionists, or the "party of no"---how absurd, as if republicans in those instances are doing something other than holding true to their positions and representing the will of their constituents. did we ever hear liberals raising a fuss when harry reid refused to allow votes on republican sponsored bills?
its interesting how republicans get cast in the role of "shutting the government" down whenever liberals don't get their way, never minding the will of the people. also, "defaulting on the government debt" is not a part of the equation. for democrats and their sympathizers to continue to bring it up is either ignorant, or disingenuous.
lastly---tea party nuts? ultra right wingers? it says something pretty bad about our country when people who advocate for lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (yeah, 19 trillion in debt is a good thing), and limited/constitutional government are viewed in such a light.
to the point of the thread---to aylee's point, john Boehner was viewed as an establishment type of republican who did not represent the more conservative aspect of the party. in that regard, he is more or less "democrat lite." his departure was cheered by many at recent speeches being given by some of the current presidential candidates.


I think we can all agree that Congress should only do what it needs to do. What we won't agree on, however, is what Congress needs to do.

All the left-leaning people here who bemoan the lack of legislation passed from this and the previous Congress miss the idea that many of the right-leaning people on here applaud the lack of legislation. Government tends to always seek to expand (and it tends towards that regardless of the party of the President or the majority party in the chambers of Congress).

The question from either side of the aisle is going to be, "who takes his place?"

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 2:57:13 AM   
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Mc Carthy...
cantor hasnt got the....gravitas.

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 2:59:01 AM   
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I have heard a fellow, kevin McCarthy's name being tossed about...don't know anything about him...

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 3:06:32 AM   
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But then The party of no , has gone from the party of no, to the party of , "if you dont give me my way, im gonna shut the place down" fuck the world.


Yet, you give a pass to the President who says, "if you pass a bill that reduces spending, I will shut down government with my veto."

The party of no, was a party of "hey, we've been elected on campaign promises of opposing liberal agendas, so we're actually representing the majority of those who voted in our election." And, that's the way it should be (following up on the campaign promises and planks you were elected under), regardless of which political party you belong to. If the majority of those voting voted for your campaign that supported carbon credit trade, I would expect you to work towards that end. IF you don't work towards that end, you are not accurately representing your constituents.

See how that works?

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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 3:08:41 AM   
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Mc Carthy...
cantor hasnt got the....gravitas.


I wasn't looking for specifics. But, think about it. You could have a hardline rightie, which Boehner certainly was not. For those on the left, Boehner would be a better Speaker.


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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 3:18:20 AM   
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But then The party of no , has gone from the party of no, to the party of , "if you dont give me my way, im gonna shut the place down" fuck the world.


Yet, you give a pass to the President who says, "if you pass a bill that reduces spending, I will shut down government with my veto."

The party of no, was a party of "hey, we've been elected on campaign promises of opposing liberal agendas, so we're actually representing the majority of those who voted in our election." And, that's the way it should be (following up on the campaign promises and planks you were elected under), regardless of which political party you belong to. If the majority of those voting voted for your campaign that supported carbon credit trade, I would expect you to work towards that end. IF you don't work towards that end, you are not accurately representing your constituents.

See how that works?

they ran on a jobs platform, they havent produced anything.
except jobs for people hired to clean up after 57 repeals of obama care.
You think its ok to defund healthcare because like minded cunts make up bullshit about planned parenthood....name one bill they have passed that hasnt included cutting funding to the least able to take the hits.
Do you know what they HAVE Passed???
tax cuts for the top earners.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
waiting for the trickle down.
getting shit on.



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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 3:29:27 AM   
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I just came upon this...from someone I thought was on the loony fringe of the party back in 2008..Peter King...



Peter King: Boehner exit means 'the crazies have taken over the party'

House Speaker John Boehner's sudden resignation Friday "signals that the crazies have taken over the party," New York Republican Peter King said Friday.
“I think it signals the crazies have taken over the party, taken over to the party that you can remove a speaker of the House who’s second in line to be president, a constitutional officer in the middle of his term with no allegations of impropriety, a person who’s honest and doing his job. This has never happened before in our country," King said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash on Friday afternoon. "He could have stayed on.”

Boehner has done "an outstanding job," King said, adding that he was "extremely disappointed" upon hearing the news of his resignation.
Boehner fights back tears while discussing his decision to resign as speaker on Sept. 25, 2015.

“There was actually, I thought, like a hush in the room for a few seconds where no one — people like looked at each other — they couldn’t believe it. And then he read the prayer of St. Francis, which was very moving," King said of the moment when Boehner told fellow lawmakers that he was leaving office.
"I’m not a psychologist but I think John probably pretty much decided that the more he did, the more friction would be caused, and that he probably thought it was best for him to leave soon anyway, which I think is wrong," he said. "But having the pope here yesterday just sort of put John in the frame of mind [that] it’s time to leave."
Boehner's decision to resign is "like throwing raw meat" to more extreme factions of the caucus who are trying to "hijack and blackmail the party," King said. "They’re not going to see it as a gesture of peace, they’re going to just look for more."
Peter King: Boehner exit means 'the crazies have taken over the party'
“I think whoever runs for speaker should make it clear that he’s not going to give in to these people. We’re not going to appease them," he concluded. "The time for appeasement is over.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/john-boehner-resigns-peter-king-reaction-214083#ixzz3mq5qpYOl


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RE: John Boehner Leaves - 9/26/2015 3:42:17 AM   
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Cantor is no longer in congress, he lost his seat at the last election.

So not only does he not have the gravitas, he doesn't have the eligibility either.

Thank God

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