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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 5:20:05 PM   
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Ok, so if I want to agree with my Mistress that the world is flat, that is ok?

You can believe you're a semi-sentient rutabaga for all anyone here cares. Your beliefs don't affect anyone here in the slightest.


Why would the opinions of you guys affect me, you do not even exist in my book

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 5:25:22 PM   
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He was a puppet to what Lenin called the means of production, which is also described in revelation as the number of the beast 666

NO MAN WILL BE ABLE TO BUY OR SELL UNLESS HE WEARS THE MARK OF THE BEAST



So Greeks and Romans weren't ancient slave holders because they weren't Christian? Even though it was before the rise of Christianity?

Regardless, I'm not a Christian so your definitions mean nothing here.




666 is a prophecy that goes way back to the beginning of creation, it has nothing to do with Christianity. It was know by prophets who saw into the future, to a time when NO MAN WILL BE ABLE TO BUY OR SELL UNLESS HE WEARS THE MARK OF THE BEAST

This is all link to Hegelian Dialectics, to economics, to the first world war, to the second world war and to the crisis you see unfolding on the world seen as I speak.

But since you guys claim to be Masters of BDSM and the brightest minds to exist on forums, then I suppose you knew all that stuff.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 5:26:44 PM   
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Why would the opinions of you guys affect me, you do not even exist in my book

Well then feel free to ignore us. Really. Please ignore us.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 5:45:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


But since you guys claim to be Masters of BDSM and the brightest minds to exist on forums, then I suppose you knew all that stuff.


Well, here's a lesson for you: BDSM stands for Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's the kinky sex and has nothing to do with D/s or M/S. While the BDSM is often linked to D/s or M/s, you can engage in BDSM and never engage in D/s or M/s. You can engage in D/s or M/s and not engage in BDSM.

So, your question regarding slavery had nothing to do with BDSM.

Here's a clue for you: If that's how you wish to define slavery in your relationship...more power to you. Negotiate and talk up front. However, don't try to define the relationships of others. You're not qualified.


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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 6:19:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
Why would the opinions of you guys affect me, you do not even exist in my book

Well then feel free to ignore us. Really. Please ignore us.


I am ignoring you can you not see that?

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 6:23:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


But since you guys claim to be Masters of BDSM and the brightest minds to exist on forums, then I suppose you knew all that stuff.


Well, here's a lesson for you: BDSM stands for Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's the kinky sex and has nothing to do with D/s or M/S. While the BDSM is often linked to D/s or M/s, you can engage in BDSM and never engage in D/s or M/s. You can engage in D/s or M/s and not engage in BDSM.

So, your question regarding slavery had nothing to do with BDSM.

Here's a clue for you: If that's how you wish to define slavery in your relationship...more power to you. Negotiate and talk up front. However, don't try to define the relationships of others. You're not qualified.



Exactly

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 6:27:24 PM   
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You are right slavery has nothing to do with BDSM, so those who claim to want to be slaves should use the proper definition when they choose to contact someone in order to fulfill their cravings for kinky sex, if not, if they would appear at the door of a real Mistress, she would put him to work in the fields in minutes.

She would say:

"You want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period."

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 7:06:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

She would say:

"You want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period."


Yeah exactly.

If you want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period.
Which means that you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you.
Including fuck me if the fancy should strike me.



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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Feel like I already said my piece about this topic -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=-. Reality always comes into question since it is illegal to own slaves, despite indentured service falling nicely under the 'real' definition.

~~~excerpt~~~
-=RL Slavery=-
Some people ask me about the difference between RLslavery and D/s fantasy role-play slavery. There are very valid arguments between the M/s & D/s communities that one is no different than the other. After all, on the surface, "consensual slavery" seems like a perfect oxymoron.

You would be surprised how many people do not agree on or understand the definition of a slave. Lets bow to the wisdom of Webster for a moment:

Slave - noun
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.

In the M/s world I know slaves that are marked, branded or have signed legal guardianship papers. The D/s world argues that it is only “extended” role-play… that is a hard comment to contradict because from that point of view, "extended" could also apply to the 8 years of college that allows people to legally “play doctor” too. So where does the line between a real slave and role-play get drawn? To me, the first indicator between role play and “living” something is exactly that. Do you want to “play” doctor for the weekend or do you want to “be” a doctor as your chosen profession?

I say we use the same lines that society uses to determine real doctors, their badge, symbol, sheepskin or whatever. That would mean legal guardianship or permanent ownership markings is paramount to "real" ownership. I also think that 8 years service is equal to a degree.

So for those seeking validation, looking to draw lines and make slavery more real, consider the “markers” in your life. Are you branded, tattooed or marked in a permanent way? Have you assigned guardianship?

To those that have aged past the initial rush of sweet lust and have grown to like the bittersweet taste that years of service in slavery reveals, you deserve a sheepskin for the curriculum vitae of your life’s work. Know that old Masters recognize you on first sight by your ways… but you already knew that. :)

To those that this little diatribe has helped understand that they like role play, do not measure or compare it to RLslavery. No one thing is better or comparable to the other. Life is fun and you should find someone that likes role play too. I enjoy role play, don’t you?

So many here at collrme.com confuse and/or compare role-play slavery with lifestyle slavery and vice versa. Both are equally satisfying to those who partake in it. Often the trick in life is that it takes longer to figure out what you need than it does to find it once you know what it is.



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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:06:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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She would say:

"You want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period."


Yeah exactly.

If you want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period.
Which means that you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you.
Including fuck me if the fancy should strike me.




I thought you had a partner, it is his responsibility to fuck, it is the responsibility of the slaves to provide income

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:13:39 PM   
UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

She would say:

"You want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period."


Yeah exactly.

If you want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period.
Which means that you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you.
Including fuck me if the fancy should strike me.




I thought you had a partner, it is his responsibility to fuck, it is the responsibility of the slaves to provide income


I do have a partner. Which is why in 99.9% of cases when we've had male slaves over to the house, they've been put to work (lately primarily digging out the window wells out back by hand because they're too close to the gas lines for heavy machinery).

However, in all those cases, they all understood that as slaves, they were going to be put to whatever work I wanted them to do. And that it wasn't their prerogative to place limitations on me as to what I was and wasn't allowed to use them for.

A 'slave' who thinks that he can tell me what I can and can't do with my own property doesn't even have enough use to me to be allowed to come spend a day doing backbreaking labor in my backyard.

BTW, with it being your self-admitted moral duty and obligation to empty your bank account for me, when can I expect the stuff you ordered from my wishlist to show up?

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:22:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

She would say:

"You want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period."


Yeah exactly.

If you want to be a slave, then you will be a real one. Period.
Which means that you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you.
Including fuck me if the fancy should strike me.




I thought you had a partner, it is his responsibility to fuck, it is the responsibility of the slaves to provide income


I do have a partner. Which is why in 99.9% of cases when we've had male slaves over to the house, they've been put to work (lately primarily digging out the window wells out back by hand because they're too close to the gas lines for heavy machinery).

However, in all those cases, they all understood that as slaves, they were going to be put to whatever work I wanted them to do. And that it wasn't their prerogative to place limitations on me as to what I was and wasn't allowed to use them for.


A 'slave' who thinks that he can tell me what I can and can't do with my own property doesn't even have enough use to me to be allowed to come spend a day doing backbreaking labor in my backyard.

BTW, with it being your self-admitted moral duty and obligation to empty your bank account for me, when can I expect the stuff you ordered from my wishlist to show up?


Well I figure that someone so focused on being fucked by slaves has to be a man posting as a Woman, so I do not believe you are Female

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:33:56 PM   
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Well I figure that someone so focused on being fucked by slaves has to be a man posting as a Woman, so I do not believe you are Female


Considering people on these forums have actually met her.....that means you're the fake. Afterall, you're the one that boosted up your posts with socks.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:39:14 PM   
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Well I figure that someone so focused on being fucked by slaves has to be a man posting as a Woman, so I do not believe you are Female



Cupcake.

I never said I was focused on fucking male slaves. You need to learn some reading comprehension.

What I've said (several times now) is that I won't let a slave tell me what I can and can't do. Just because I claim the prerogative to do something doesn't mean I'll actually end up doing it.

I also claim the prerogative to dress a slave up in a pig outfit and have him crawling over the floor squealing "OINK OINK" loudly all day while soiling the floor wherever the need strikes him like a pig would.
Or to have him smash my guitar in pieces on the fireplace mantle should I tell him to.
Or order him to learn to sing the entire "Marriage of Figaro" opera in falsetto.

I most likely will never tell a slave I own to do any of those things. But if and when I do, the answer will best be "Yes Mistress" and immediate compliance, instead of an attempt to tell me that that's not something I'm not supposed to tell a slave to do.

As far as me being a woman or not. Believe what you will. I've met over a dozen people from this board in the flesh, some of them just a few weeks ago, who can attest that I am indeed (not only that, but I'm actually the woman in the pics on my profile). If I actually cared enough about your money instead of merely making the point that you're full of talk and shit, but when push comes to shove will never follow through because all you're really interested in is a wank fantasy, I'd happily do a cam verification with you to show you.


< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 10/4/2015 8:51:33 PM >

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		NotaBULL, I've met Ishtarr in person, as well as her husband. Trust me, she's female.

Women don't think about sex? News to me.

Look, if you're a slave, you get to negotiate the relationship you'll have with your owner. But you don't get to set terms for ALL M/s relationships.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 8:44:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't caught up on the thread but I've also met Ishtar in person. I can assure you that she is female.

I don't know what the issue is, OP, but I can assure you that you are incorrect calling her gender into question.


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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 9:02:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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Well I figure that someone so focused on being fucked by slaves has to be a man posting as a Woman, so I do not believe you are Female



Cupcake.

I never said I was focused on fucking male slaves. You need to learn some reading comprehension.

What I've said (several times now) is that I won't let a slave tell me what I can and can't do. Just because I claim the prerogative to do something doesn't mean I'll actually end up doing it.

I also claim the prerogative to dress a slave up in a pig outfit and have him crawling over the floor squealing "OINK OINK" loudly all day while soiling the floor wherever the need strikes him like a pig would.
Or to have him smash my guitar in pieces on the fireplace mantle should I tell him to.
Or order him to learn to sing the entire "Marriage of Figaro" opera in falsetto.

I most likely will never tell a slave I own to do any of those things. But if and when I do, the answer will best be "Yes Mistress" and immediate compliance, instead of an attempt to tell me that that's not something I'm not supposed to tell a slave to do.

As far as me being a woman or not. Believe what you will. I've met over a dozen people from this board in the flesh, some of them just a few weeks ago, who can attest that I am indeed (not only that, but I'm actually the woman in the pics on my profile). If I actually cared enough about your money instead of merely making the point that you're full of talk and shit, but when push comes to shove will never follow through because all you're really interested in is a wank fantasy, I'd happily do a cam verification with you to show you.



Well, I do not really care about what you think a slave should do, like I stated earlier, slaves are a work force to produce income for the owners, not to walk on all fours screaming OINK OINK.

If you do not understand that, then you should surrender your Title, because in your mind you have perverted a Noble Function


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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 9:04:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I haven't caught up on the thread but I've also met Ishtar in person. I can assure you that she is female.

I don't know what the issue is, OP, but I can assure you that you are incorrect calling her gender into question.



Ok, thank you LadyPact

I am sorry Ishtar, for putting your gender into question

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 9:09:02 PM   
UllrsIshtar


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Status: offline 		So a slave is whatever you say?

And plantation owners TOTALLY obeyed their female (or male depending on the owner's inclination) slave's objections that "that's not what slaves are for!" when he went to their hut at night looking for a roll in the hay?

Sure, sure...
Like I said: full of shit.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/4/2015 9:14:31 PM   
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If you do not understand that, then you should surrender your Title, because in your mind you have perverted a Noble Function

Seems about right to me...I thought that perversion was what made it all so much fun!

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