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notaBULL -> Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 2:43:22 PM)

I just finished watching the movie THE INTERN with Robert De Niro.

In this movie a very successful Woman is having problems with her hubby because she is successful. It made me wonder.

Do Pro Dommes have permanent lovers?

And if they do, is it difficult to juggle such a relationship?

I mean does hubby get jealous to the point of going into tantrums?




OsideGirl -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 2:57:36 PM)

I'm curious how you went from this:


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
In this movie a very successful Woman is having problems with her hubby because she is successful.


To This:

quote:

Do Pro Dommes have permanent lovers?


Most of the women that I've known that work strictly as Pro-Dommes aren't very successful. They lead a hand to mouth life. They pay rent, pay for fetish wear and for equipment.

Yes, there are a few that do quite well, but the majority don't.




notaBULL -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 3:30:21 PM)

Sorry.

I thought Pro Dommes were all very rich and extremely successful




ResidentSadist -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 3:33:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

Sorry.

I thought Pro Dommes were all very rich and extremely successful

Kinda' like rappers, its all part if that inflated "I'm a success" image.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 3:45:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

Do Pro Dommes have permanent lovers?


Yes.
My boyfriend at the time was the one who encouraged me to get into Pro Domming back when I did.
I kept getting requests while working in Antwerp's Fetish Cafe as a bartender that I continuously turned down because I deemed myself to lack the experience necessary to charge for Pro Domme services. He's the one who convinced me to give it a shot anyways.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

And if they do, is it difficult to juggle such a relationship?



Nope.
Work was work.
Home was home.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I mean does hubby get jealous to the point of going into tantrums?


Nope.

I don't date men who are childish and throw temper tantrums when they have an issue.

And even if I did, he never had issues.
I had one client who booked liked to book me for hole days during the weekend, which my boyfriend found kind of annoying on certain weekends because he does shift work and frequently has to work during the weekends, leaving few weekends where we both had the day off at the same time.
He brought up that issue in an adult manner, we discussed it, and from then on I only booked that client on weekends where my boyfriend had to work anyways. I told the client why this was, and discussed schedules with him. It wasn't ever an issue at all.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 3:48:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

Sorry.

I thought Pro Dommes were all very rich and extremely successful


I agree with OsideGirl.

Most Pro Dommes aren't very successful. And the ones who are usually have huge overhead to deal with (rent, equipment, advertisement, clothes).
Also, most Pro Dommes aren't booked solid 5 days a week. They have an hour here, and a couple hours there. So you have to spread what they make an hour over the entirety of the workweek, and account for all the hours where they aren't working to figure out what they really make an hour on average. For most of them, except for the really good one who have been in the business for a while, it's less than you would think.

You can definitely make a living off it if you're good at it. But it's not a 'quick rich' career by any means.






notaBULL -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 3:59:46 PM)

Oh!

Ok, thank you to all of you.

I figured the equipment and especially the clothes looks so expensive that only really rich women got into this type of business.




MissKatya -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 4:13:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I'm curious how you went from this:


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
In this movie a very successful Woman is having problems with her hubby because she is successful.


To This:

quote:

Do Pro Dommes have permanent lovers?


Most of the women that I've known that work strictly as Pro-Dommes aren't very successful. They lead a hand to mouth life. They pay rent, pay for fetish wear and for equipment.

Yes, there are a few that do quite well, but the majority don't.



While I agree with you, I just wanted to add that most of the ones that are successful have either been around for decades (started at a time where the Pro-Domme scene wasn't saturated) or if they are new, they do tons and tons of promoting and branch out to other options, such as phone calls and video clips/membership sites.

The amount of work put into being a Domme just for a minimal return these days is insane.





MissKatya -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 4:14:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

Sorry.

I thought Pro Dommes were all very rich and extremely successful


Yes, we all drive Bentleys and wear fur coats while sipping on Cristal.




MissKatya -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 4:28:39 PM)


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Do Pro Dommes have permanent lovers?


Why wouldn't we? We're human and capable of loving, intimate (and vanilla) relationships.

quote:

And if they do, is it difficult to juggle such a relationship?


As with all relationships, there is a level of difficulty, that is why communication, trust and love are important...as with every personal relationship that exists.

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I mean does hubby get jealous to the point of going into tantrums?


So is this the point where you start to furiously masturbate?

I'm going to let you in on a little secret, especially when it comes to Pro-Dommes...we're human. I know...mind blown. To think that we do things like skip shaving or leave the house without makeup and in jogging pants. It's shocking.






MikeRaven -> RE: Seeking Advice (9/30/2015 10:54:13 PM)

When I get bored I cruise through the Backpage ads. There is a section called, "Dom & Fetishes." There are a lot of Dominant women who charge $300 an hour. In this economic times, who in their right mind would pay someone $300 an hour to have your balls kicked?
In any case, I always wondered how many clients these women get a week. 3 hours of work = $900 plus tips.




OsideGirl -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 8:45:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven
3 hours of work = $900 plus tips.


That's the gross income, not the net income.

They have to pay rent or pay a portion to the house. Fetish wear and gear is expensive. And they have to pay for some form of advertising.

By the time they're done with expenses (without paying taxes) you're averaging about $15-$17 per hour on a 40 hour week.




MikeRaven -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 10:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven
3 hours of work = $900 plus tips.


That's the gross income, not the net income.

They have to pay rent or pay a portion to the house. Fetish wear and gear is expensive. And they have to pay for some form of advertising.

By the time they're done with expenses (without paying taxes) you're averaging about $15-$17 per hour on a 40 hour week.




I do notice that a lot of those women who charge $300 make you go to a Dungeon in Los Angeles. I didn't realize that renting a room was so expensive.

However, some of these women will go to your place. Maybe some of them will do it out of their own house. Or why not rent a room from Motel 6 at $55?
A lot of men have fetishes such as - face slapping, verbal humiliation, spitting, spanking, etc. that doesn't require any expensive equipment. I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate but I'm just trying to understand. Honestly, why not just go to their place? I understand that fetish wear is expensive but once you buy an outfit you can use it over and over.




OsideGirl -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 11:00:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven


I do notice that a lot of those women who charge $300 make you go to a Dungeon in Los Angeles. I didn't realize that renting a room was so expensive.
The house usually takes a percentage up to 20% and dungeons charge about $80 - $100 per hour.

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However, some of these women will go to your place.
Very few will because of safety considerations.

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Maybe some of them will do it out of their own house.
Almost none will do this. Again, it's safety. A person you barely know having your home address. (Besides at $900 a week, where do you think she'd be living?)

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Or why not rent a room from Motel 6 at $55?
Again, safety issues, not to mention a high risk of having the cops called.

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A lot of men have fetishes such as - face slapping, verbal humiliation, spitting, spanking, etc. that doesn't require any expensive equipment.
How much business do you think a Pro Domme that says "I only do face slapping, verbal humiliation, spitting, and spanking." would make? It limits the potential customer base.

quote:

I understand that fetish wear is expensive but once you buy an outfit you can use it over and over.
Yes, but because of clients tastes, they need a range of outfits and the customers generally don't want to see the Pro-Domme in the same outfit every time.




dirtyboots -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 12:30:59 PM)

Well,

I want Dommes to make 900 dollars for 3 hours. In fact, I wish they would make 10,000 per week clear.

We have to understand that these Ladies are not ordinary Women, they are Goddesses.

We must cherish and spoil them because there is so few of them in the world.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 12:53:36 PM)

Mostly echoing what OsideGirl already said.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I do notice that a lot of those women who charge $300 make you go to a Dungeon in Los Angeles. I didn't realize that renting a room was so expensive.




Established dungeons for rent are expensive. Count an average of $100 an hour to rent a space per use.
Having your own commercial space is even more expensive, because you have to furnish and decorate it (think in the order of $10.000 to do a halfway decent job). And you pay rent even when you're not working. Most Pro-Dommes don't work 40 hours a week.
It takes a lot of effort and dedication to get up to a steady 10 hour a week work week where you can actually count on being booked 10 hours every week.

On top of that an hour of work with a client doesn't equal simple an hour of the Domme's time. There's the pre-interview time to figure out what the client wants, the time you spend planning our what you're going to do, the time you spend getting ready by setting up the toys/room the way you're going to use it, the time to get dressed and put make-up on. Afterwards there's clean up, disinfecting of toys, exit-interviews where you check with the client about how they enjoyed the experience.
If you wore latex, there's the time-consuming process of cleaning that.

For every hour a Domme actually spends playing with the client, count that she has at least an hour on top of that getting ready/cleaning up. In cases of specialized play it's more like two hours.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

However, some of these women will go to your place. Maybe some of them will do it out of their own house.



All very dangerous options as OsideGirl said, which few women will do.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

Or why not rent a room from Motel 6 at $55?



Motel rooms are dangerous because you cannot control the client's behavior. You cannot guarantee that he'll keep noise levels down to appropriate levels for a motel room, which means that you cannot provide your client with the experience he's looking for if it means that you have to control the scene to inhibit his natural reactions.
Also, most men pay for the fantasy of the Domme being this mystical, powerful, tasteful and high-end Goddess worthy of only the best. Cheap and dirty motel rooms ruin that fantasy, because the women they like to envision this Domme to be wouldn't be caught death in such a place (and for most of them that's actually true too... more Pro-Dommes I know actually wouldn't stoop to seeing clients in such places).

When you make a Pro-Dommes equivalent to a low end hooker, the fantasy doesn't work.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

A lot of men have fetishes such as - face slapping, verbal humiliation, spitting, spanking, etc. that doesn't require any expensive equipment.



Very few men see Pro-Dommes wanting 'simple and easy'.
Even if 'simple and easy' is what they're looking for, they're not really interested in doing it in a dirty $55 motel room. They want the entire fantasy package. Very very few clients enjoy scenes where there is no equipment needed, even if their core fantasies revolve around stuff that doesn't involve equipment (such as spitting) they still want the scene enhancement of being restrained, or locked in a cage, or chained to a toilet, while the Domme humiliates and spits on him.

Pro-Dommes sell fantasies, not actions.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I understand that fetish wear is expensive but once you buy an outfit you can use it over and over.


You cannot keep showing up in the same outfit. Besides that they wear out, just like other clothing, and often even much faster due to their intricacy and fragility. For example, decent seamed french silk gather stockings that so many foot fetishists are into run about $20 a pair, and if you're lucky you can get about 3-5 uses out of them. Now that's an example on the extremer side of things, but it tends to hold true for most fetish outfits... they don't hold up to serious use as long as you'd wish considering what you paid for them.

Besides that there's toys to consider. To be able to command decent money as a Pro-Domme, and make it so your clients will continue seeing you instead of switching to somebody else, you basically need to have "one of everything". A decent starter collection of toys that makes you able to handle *most* requests you'll get will set you back about $5.000. That's not including stuff you'll need for more specialized play such as medical, electrical, toilet, sissyfication/feminisation or latex.
Or the fact that regular clients enjoy you keeping it fresh by coming up with new toys and so forth.

When you add that all up, combined with the fact that it takes quite a while for a Pro-Domme to establish so that she can work a steady 10 hours a week, you'll see that they really don't make as much as you're picturing.




MikeRaven -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 2:38:17 PM)

I definitely don't want to hijack this thread and I'll create a new thread if people think this is what I'm doing.

I went to Backpage "Dom & Fetish" section and used the filter section OUTCALL to find out which Dominatrix will do out call and how much they charge.

ON WEBSITE
http://www.rebeccaknox.com/booking.html
$300 for one hour, $550 for two hours, $800 for three hours, $1,000 for 4 hours

ON WEBSITE
http://inlandempire.backpage.com/Domination/kinky-fetish-and-fantasy-pleasures/57609922
$200 per hour

I texted/emailed a lot to find out how much they charge.

These two do Outcalls at $300 an hour
http://inlandempire.backpage.com/Domination/queen-of-roleplay-whats-your-fantasy/58646800
http://inlandempire.backpage.com/Domination/incall-outcall-kinky-goddess-real-pics-2-girl-special/58631983

1. What do you think of when you view these Dominatrix who do outcalls for $300 an hour?
2. Do you think that they are busy making good money?




mnottertail -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 2:39:37 PM)

I dont think they are working 9 to 5, nor that they work every day. Maybe even less than lawyers.




dirtyboots -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 2:44:44 PM)

Hence!

What NotABull claimed is true, Pro Dommes are successful. With that said, I thought this thread was about the relationship between a successful Domme and her hubby.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Seeking Advice (10/1/2015 2:44:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

1. What do you think of when you view these Dominatrix who do outcalls for $300 an hour?
2. Do you think that they are busy making good money?



1. I think they must be really desperate for business to take those sort of risks. And I hope they don't get themselves in trouble by taking the wrong client. A lot of higher end call girls use drivers when they do outcalls, for security reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if these Dommes do so as well. Hiring a driver is slightly less overhead than renting a dungeon, and about on part to the maintenance cost of owning one already set up yourself.
2. No, I don't think they're very busy. They probably make a decent living off the work they're doing (way more than walmart money) but they're not getting rich off of this (nowhere near lawyer money, which charges similar prices). I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if they're booked more than 10-15 hours a week on average.

Note that at those rates, if you count a third of their income to go to overhead when doing outcalls, that means a Domme who manages to book about 10-15 hours on average is making about $1500-$3000 a week, assuming they don't pay taxes (which isn't advisable if you're going to be in business long term). That's not bad money for a part-time job by any means, but it's hardly the big striking-it-rich money either that people picture when they look at those prices.





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