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DaddySatyr -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:52:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only gun free zones I go into are government buildings.



Eh. The place I described ... government buildings ... people get robbed in both places.

[;)]



Michael




lovmuffin -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:58:52 PM)

"Earth to Utopian Cloud 9, come in joether........over".


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ORIGINAL: joether

So seven pages of the conservatives trying to defend crazy, conservative, republican assholes, with guns and 'freedom' to mow others down at their leisure.....
It's not conservatives mowing people down, it's stupid penguins with dumbfounded looks on their faces doing it.

I think its more than time to institute some good firearm laws. This concept of mass shootings is becoming to common. That when I heard about it, I was not really sadden but rather 'gosh, only 3.4 weeks.....'. The 2nd amendment is corrupted. The politicians corrupted the law to server their political desires. the nation as a whole is paying for the cost every day. Now we have a group of citizens whom defend this corrupted law because they have been compromised. When talking to them, they will say they are against terrorists. Yet, by the very law they defend like a religion, they are allowing those same terrorists to obtain firearms. Helping to make the process as easy as possible! yes, politicians are corrupted, thus the need for a Second Amendment.


Mandatory background checks. You want a firearm, your background is searched. If you go an do something stupid or reckless with a firearm within one month of obtaining it, we throw the seller in jail. Hopefully that will cut down on all the shadow trading going on. That'll fix dem Sellers.You tell 'em joe.

Two week waiting period. When people are angry they want a gun to get even with someone. Over the course of two weeks, most people's tempers simmer down to a cooler temperature. An thus, the need for a gun is then considered a bonehead choice if they were allowed to get one.

Getting a yearly physical. Have a gun? Get a physical. Dont want a physical, then you dont need a gun. We require it of law enforcement to obtain one; the same should apply to anyone else carrying a gun. Not only are you examined physically; but mentally and emotionally. We place laws that basically state that if your loved ones do not report your behavior as being less than 'fair', and you go and do something (i.e. kill a bus full of people), they could be held liable for not stating such an examine should take place sooner.

Those confirmed by a medical professional (e.g. medical doctor, psychologist, psychiatrist) that the individual is not safe with a firearm, they are ban from having one.

Obtaining a firearm requires a training class. Even if you already have three guns, you obtain a new one, your getting a training class.

Firearms are locked up when not in use. An those locks are hard to access and remove.Thank you for your wisdom oh wise one

Place a tax on firearm sales that increases their cost by a factor of five. That gun cost you $800? Now its $4,000. People are less likely to let a firearm 'disappear' when its value is so much more than it is currently.Blow it out yer ass Birdbrain

Firearm owners are required to have insurance with each of their firearms. They misuse the firearm, its the insurance company that has to fork over the money to pay for damages.Blow that out yer ass too.

I think Americans have been MORE THAN PATIENT enough with conservative morons as it concerns firearms in this nation. Seems the only people whom conduct mass shootings would be largely reduced by the above ideas. It would restore much in the way of good will among Americans. Firearm owners would not be seen as the evil badguys that everyone seems to feel they have become in the nation. Yer full of shit of course, as usual. And it's not "whom", it's fucking "who".....FUCK!!!!

I know my views are not popular by conservatives, but, fuck 'em! Fuck you too Birdbrain They're political viewpoints allow domestic terrorism to take place with total ease. Lets not forget that two of their number gave us 4/19/95! Their 'values' have all been debunked in the last decade. Their politicians have been exposed for the lying, selfish, pieces of shit they have always been. Conservatives are incapable of holding themselves and their political persons for public office to any real level of accountability and responsibility with power. Their conservative media does not take facts and truths, but spews propoganda 24/7/365. All in an effort to keep firearms as easy to obtain, for anyone that wants to conduct a mass shooting in America.No Birdbrain, easy to obtain for hunting spotted owls and kangaru rats. Take your condescending bullshit and shove it.

When police around the country nail individuals with illegal firearm possession and trace where they came from. Why is it they come from states with little or no real gun control? Maybe its because criminals know which states are 'safe heavens' much like conservatives accuse cities of being so for illegal immigrants. I know none of the conservatives on this board can challenge the firearm laws that should be put into law immediately. They attack the individual (i.e. me) in any petty manner they can muster. Because they really do want MORE domestic terrorism to take place in America! If conservatives are not 'ok' with this common sense laws; maybe we should question their loyalty as a US Citizen....Are you a fuckin communist ? Why do more shootings seem to happen in states with strict gun laws and in gun free zones ? Ya think those places might need a few more guns ?







lovmuffin -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 12:05:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

UCC was chosen for a higher body count................. It was also apparently convenient, especially knowing that no one on campus would be armed. Whatever the response time of the local police was, it wasn't fast enough. And the sad reality is that it's never fast enough.

Our children are sitting ducks. How the fuck is that possible in this day and age?


It's possible for the reasons that you stated.......... higher body count, convenient, knowing that no one on campus would be armed, response time of the local police wasn't fast enough, absolutely they were sitting ducks.

Solution: Avoid gun free zones. They are dangerous places. Frequent places with lots of guns. More guns is the answer to the problem.

The security guard ran off a armed veteran who was willing to help.
Welcome back I haven't seen you in quite a while.


Thanks, it's good to see you're still at it. He should have punched the security guard in the nose.




Kirata -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 12:07:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

"come in joether........over".

If joether was right, gun ranges would be slaughterhouses.

K.





lovmuffin -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 12:12:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

"come in joether........over".

If joether was right, gun ranges would be slaughterhouses.

K.




Exactly, the same as gun shows and NRA conventions are slaughterhouses.too.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 12:12:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


If joether was right, gun ranges would be slaughterhouses.

K.






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Michael




Kirata -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 12:25:39 AM)


In other news, he wasn't a conservative Republican. I know, I know, it's disappointing. But even the dimmest of wits should have been able to figure out that somebody enamored of Left-Hand Path occultism who targets Christians for killing isn't a "conservative Republican." If he ever was one, he left it behind him long ago. The source for the claim was an old dating profile that shows his location as Los Angeles, CA. He's a registered Independent, not a Republican. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry.

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K.




Greta75 -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 2:18:18 AM)

I really don't know how US will ever solve their gun issue. I think both republicans and democrats are on the exact same page.

Both parties wants to make sure guns do not get into bad people's hands. Just that both disagree on how this can be done. That's the complicated part.

Alot of things were easier in my country, as it's just one dictator making the decisions, and he said, no guns, made it illegal, and that was it, no more guns and we used to have guns, my own granddad own guns in his time. And have shot and killed people with it. Not in self-defense, but more like in gang territory fights.

We are also bordered by countries that has no guns allowed, so it's easy for us to regulate.

I am thinking that Trump wall might be more important than ever if US ever goes the direction of eliminating guns from their country. As all the illegal smuggling in guns will again, come from Mexico.





Kirata -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 4:03:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I really don't know how US will ever solve their gun issue. I think both republicans and democrats are on the exact same page.

Well, we'll never be able to stop the ones who go for the gold first time out of the gate. But, there's a lot we could be doing. The best predictor of future offending is prior offending. For example consider child abduction, just because I happen to have the data at hand. You might think child abductions are mostly committed by non-custodial parents. But that's not the case, and in 58% of cases the child is never found or found dead. A study of child abduction offenders found that 75% had an average of seven prior arrests: 41% for assault, 33% for forcible sex offenses, 21% for weapons violations, and 14% for kidnapping! Yet, they were out on the street.

Turning to firearms, I mentioned previously that even in New York, which is about as anti-gun as it gets, illegal possession of a firearm not involving the commission of a violent crime is a Class A misdemeanor with only a 1-year sentence, and you will rarely find a police department with sufficient funds to devote any serious effort to tracing these guns and prosecuting the traffickers. That would be a place to start, given the thousands of homicides committed with illegal guns. But the wet dream of anti-gunners is banning law-abiding citizens from owning anything with a threaded barrel or a telescoping stock. I mean seriously, it's fucking bizarre.

K.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 7:07:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

lol... does it make a difference... 10 our of 200 had guns and they were unlocked and stolen... I don't care if they were under the seat or in the glove box... now it would be different if the locked cars were broken into... but they weren't... And I would not leave a gun in a car locked or not... If I was going somewhere I could not take my gun i would leave it at home.

Butch

Actually, Butch...any time you enter some private place that is not yours, without invitation. It is at least trespassing. So, you've already committed a crime. Taking something from that place is stealing. That's another crime. Other than carelessness...and possibly stupidity...what crime has the property owner participated in?




Musicmystery -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 7:30:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


If joether was right, gun ranges would be slaughterhouses.

K.






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Michael


This is indicative of the problem--just not the way you think it is.

Painting positions as extreme, and painting the "opposition's" positions as painting yours as extreme, when no evidence supports that, simply changes the debate from the actual issue to a petty tantrum.

If you're so convinced you're "side" is right, then stick to logical positions, instead of shifting to straw man fallacies.

If you can't, or won't -- then it's you being illogical.

~ Spock




CreativeDominant -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 8:24:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

We will have to disagree bama... you take on responsibility when you own a gun to keep it secure... I see little difference in a circumstance where a careless gun owner leaves a gun where a child can get it and kill themselves or another and a careless gun owner leaves a gun unsecured where it can be stolen and used to kill another... Dead is dead and if the gun owner were responsible enough to reasonably secure his weapon neither would be killed. So in both circumstances the owner and his careless is the principle cause of death.

Butch
???? Really?!? It's the owner who is at fault? NOT the poor widdle criminal who has no fault in this...after all, society failed him and the schools failed him and his mommy failed him and now this gun owner failed him by not taking into consideration that there might be someone out there who has no evil intent of his own (everybody failed him, remember) but who never learned impulse control (because everybody else failed, not him)?

You realize how misguided that sort of criminal mollycoddling is, right?




mnottertail -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 8:32:23 AM)

Ja.

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CreativeDominant -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 9:05:14 AM)

You should probably tell Burch that, then. Joether too




kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 10:01:05 AM)

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Actually, Butch...any time you enter some private place that is not yours, without invitation. It is at least trespassing. So, you've already committed a crime. Taking something from that place is stealing. That's another crime. Other than carelessness...and possibly stupidity...what crime has the property owner participated in?


Criminal Negligence

If you contribute to a death...injury...or crime through your negligence, and not just guns it could be any negligent action, then I believe you are partially responsible. If this negligence...such as leaving a killing weapon unsecured where it will or can be used in a crime or accident causing death injury physically or economically I believe there should be a punishment... Either a fine or imprisonment along with loss of privileges of gun ownership.





kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 10:08:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

We will have to disagree bama... you take on responsibility when you own a gun to keep it secure... I see little difference in a circumstance where a careless gun owner leaves a gun where a child can get it and kill themselves or another and a careless gun owner leaves a gun unsecured where it can be stolen and used to kill another... Dead is dead and if the gun owner were responsible enough to reasonably secure his weapon neither would be killed. So in both circumstances the owner and his careless is the principle cause of death.

Butch
???? Really?!? It's the owner who is at fault? NOT the poor widdle criminal who has no fault in this...after all, society failed him and the schools failed him and his mommy failed him and now this gun owner failed him by not taking into consideration that there might be someone out there who has no evil intent of his own (everybody failed him, remember) but who never learned impulse control (because everybody else failed, not him)?

You realize how misguided that sort of criminal mollycoddling is, right?




No you are both at fault because without YOUR unsecured gun that particular crime or accident would not have been committed or happened. I am not saying equally at fault... unless a child was injured or killed under any circumstance ... some penalty should be assessed

I am not saying the criminal penalty should be reduced... just the enabler of that injury or crime should pay a price as well. Because without the owners negligence that crime or injury at that time could not have been committed with THAT weapon.

Butch




BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 10:41:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only gun free zones I go into are government buildings.



Eh. The place I described ... government buildings ... people get robbed in both places.

[;)]



Michael


Yes, I know.




BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 10:46:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

UCC was chosen for a higher body count................. It was also apparently convenient, especially knowing that no one on campus would be armed. Whatever the response time of the local police was, it wasn't fast enough. And the sad reality is that it's never fast enough.

Our children are sitting ducks. How the fuck is that possible in this day and age?


It's possible for the reasons that you stated.......... higher body count, convenient, knowing that no one on campus would be armed, response time of the local police wasn't fast enough, absolutely they were sitting ducks.

Solution: Avoid gun free zones. They are dangerous places. Frequent places with lots of guns. More guns is the answer to the problem.

The security guard ran off a armed veteran who was willing to help.
Welcome back I haven't seen you in quite a while.


Thanks, it's good to see you're still at it. He should have punched the security guard in the nose.


I like to think I would have just ignored the guard, but you know if he had done so he would be in jail now.




BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 11:03:49 AM)

FR

Again after Charleston we were suppossed to purge the Conferderate battle flag and pretty much anything having to do with the South because that nut made an anti black proclimatiom before he stsrted shooting.

What do you want to ban (besides guns) since this guy made anti Christian proclimations before shooting.
Oh, that is right, when the intent is to kill Christians motive doesn't count.




Musicmystery -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/3/2015 11:10:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

Again after Charleston we were suppossed to purge ... pretty much anything having to do with the South because that nut made an anti black proclimatiom before he stsrted shooting.

Well...no.

If you want to take people to task about realistic positions, you'll have to stop taking silly ones.




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