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kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:00:32 PM)
But if you forgot to put on your skirt and panties and walked the streets, as you should and as you should secure your weapon, would you not be charged with indecent exposure even if you were raped? And if someone were to seal your...pu... could they kill someone with it? This is fun... keep the silliness coming.. Butch

Aylee -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub But if you forgot to put on your skirt and panties and walked the streets, as you should and as you should secure your weapon, would you not be charged with indecent exposure even if you were raped? This is fun... keep the silliness coming.. Butch I doubt it. I think the cops would take me for a rape exam and maybe a mental health exam. t think they are quite that prickish as to write a rape victim a ticket.

kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:05:53 PM)
hmmm maybe in Ferguson...ask ThompsonX

kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:10:20 PM)
Aylee in all seriousness people are sued every day for their careless actions and how is leaving a loaded gun unsecured any different? And there is such a thing as criminal negligence. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:17:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: If somebody lifts it and runs up the tab As she blows smoke from the end of her gun...lol... I can just see you in boots and silver six shooters in your hands...[:D] With my bank hell yes I'm responsible...lol I think there is a difference between a car and a gun... yes both can kill but the purpose of a gun is just that... the purpose of a car is transportation. The level of responsibility is greater for a loaded gun than a car... would you not agree... simply because of their purpose?... Now let me ask you this... if you park your car on a hill and get out without setting the brake and it rolls down the hill and kills a child... are you responsible for your carelessness? So circumstances do matter... when you carry a gun for self defense you have a greater level of responsibility then when you park your car on the street. Butch If I accidently shoot someone I am responsible but not if it is stolen. You need to change banks.

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:19:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub But if you forgot to put on your skirt and panties and walked the streets, as you should and as you should secure your weapon, would you not be charged with indecent exposure even if you were raped? And if someone were to seal your...pu... could they kill someone with it? This is fun... keep the silliness coming.. Butch Depends on where you are it wouldn't be illegal in NYC or San Fransisco.

kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:22:46 PM)
We will have to disagree bama... you take on responsibility when you own a gun to keep it secure... I see little difference in a circumstance where a careless gun owner leaves a gun where a child can get it and kill themselves or another and a careless gun owner leaves a gun unsecured where it can be stolen and used to kill another... Dead is dead and if the gun owner were responsible enough to reasonably secure his weapon neither would be killed. So in both circumstances the owner and his careless is the principle cause of death. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:23:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Aylee in all seriousness people are sued every day for their careless actions and how is leaving a loaded gun unsecured any different? And there is such a thing as criminal negligence. Butch Depends on what you mean by unsecured. If it is inside a car in the glove box you are on shaky ground. I doubt that you would be satisfied if the car was locked. When you get down to the details of what people want who want owners penalized for not "securing their firearms" you end up with laws like DC had where when you need one you have to call a time out to get into the safe, unlock the trigger lock, and load it. BTW current criminal negligence laws cover everything you have been talking about and in most places they are enforced the way I see it.

LadyPact -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub As she blows smoke from the end of her gun...lol... I can just see you in boots and silver six shooters in your hands...[:D] With my bank hell yes I'm responsible...lol Actually, you're not. If you can prove that the charges were incurred by another party, your account will be credited. Who do you bank with? Check your policy. Any card used without your authorization is considered fraud and you're supposed to have fraud protection (FCIC). quote: I think there is a difference between a car and a gun... yes both can kill but the purpose of a gun is just that... the purpose of a car is transportation. The level of responsibility is greater for a loaded gun than a car... would you not agree... simply because of their purpose?... Now let me ask you this... if you park your car on a hill and get out without setting the brake and it rolls down the hill and kills a child... are you responsible for your carelessness? Problem with your logic. If somebody else gets in my car while parked on the hill, I'm no longer considered the legal driver. Whoever was behind the wheel last is the responsible party. Even if I told them they could use the car. Once they have gotten in the driver's seat and used the keys, their actions belong to them. I can be assessed for things like knowingly allowing an unlicensed driver to use the car, which carries it's own charge, but that's the end. If a person is killed due to that, they don't charge me for manslaughter because I wasn't driving the car. quote: So circumstances do matter... when you carry a gun for self defense you have a greater responsibility then when you park your car on the street. Butch Both of these things really did happen, by the way. My purse was sitting on the computer desk in my own home when my card was lifted. I went to the bathroom down the hall. The card was taken out of my wallet. The vehicle thing has happened twice. Both times involved a spare set of keys and both happened without my consent. No one was hurt in either case. However, in one of the cases, my vehicle had significant damage. Since the car was stolen, I didn't pay for the damage.

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:27:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub We will have to disagree bama... you take on responsibility when you own a gun to keep it secure... I see little difference in a circumstance where a careless gun owner leaves a gun where a child can get it and kill themselves or another and a careless gun owner leaves a gun unsecured where it can be stolen and used to kill another... Dead is dead and if the gun owner were responsible enough to reasonably secure his weapon neither would be killed. So in both circumstances the owner and his careless is the principle cause of death. Butch I said they should be considered negligent if they do something like drop the gun in a todlers room, but any time it is stolen I can't see charging the victim for someone elses crime. And I have heard a number of rape crisis people say that if a woman walks down the street down the street naked it still isn't her fault if she gets raped.

Kirata -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:28:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV That may be, but the guy lived with his mom, and they went shooting together from what I've read. So I feel like they were legitimately hers. But she allowed him unfettered access to them. Well, why wouldn't she? He's her son. She trusted him. And why shouldn't she have? Yes he'd had some difficulties, but he had sought (or at least accepted) special ed and therapeutic services, and he was never pegged as violent by the learning center that provided them. His mother is beside herself now. She never saw this coming, and neither did anybody else. We just can't predict this kind of violence. There are thousands of youth who've had "emotional issues" or "behavioral problems" who never go on to commit mass murder. But we could stop rewarding it with fame and media coverage, plastering your picture on every news feed, along with every available detail of your miserable life and the complaints you nursed. You pull a shameful crime like this, that picture you love of you fondling your rifle isn't going to be plastered on screens around the world, and the public isn't going to read your misbegotten ramblings. You'll be pissed on and forgotten, another nobody. We can't have a culture that feeds on this kind of violence, and then act surprised when it happens. K.

kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:29:35 PM)
Not if the car is not unlocked... knowing the gun is in the car and leaving the car unlocked is irresponsible in my book. The rest of your post is not pertinent to or documented thief of guns from unlocked cars... In just my little city of 30,000 10 guns in 200 cars...now figure if this is normal how many careless gun owners fuel crime in this country... with no culpability and they should be held responsible for their weapons that kill and maim others due to their carelessness. Without punishment this will go on and on... but if they knew they would bear some responsibility they would be a lot less careless... don't you think?

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:33:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not if the car is not unlocked... knowing the gun is in the car and leaving the car unlocked is irresponsible in my book. The rest of your post is not pertinent to or documented thief of guns from unlocked cars... In just my little city of 30,000 10 guns in 200 cars...now figure if this is normal how many careless gun owners fuel crime in this country... with no culpability and they should be held responsible for their weapons that kill and maim others due to their carelessness. I live next to the worst part of my town, just a little smaller than yours, and we have nothing like that happening. Of course my car has never been broken into. Could have something to do with thugs being allergic to my grass.

kdsub -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:36:50 PM)
lol... I'm sure most thugs read your posts here on collarspace. Butch

LadyPact -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:42:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV The situation is bad enough as it is. Why inject things that have nothing to do with it? Then, why make parallels such as giving keys to an impaired driver? At least keep it on the same playing field, such as said drunk stealing a person's keys.

lovmuffin -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 10:49:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV UCC was chosen for a higher body count................. It was also apparently convenient, especially knowing that no one on campus would be armed. Whatever the response time of the local police was, it wasn't fast enough. And the sad reality is that it's never fast enough. Our children are sitting ducks. How the fuck is that possible in this day and age? It's possible for the reasons that you stated.......... higher body count, convenient, knowing that no one on campus would be armed, response time of the local police wasn't fast enough, absolutely they were sitting ducks. Solution: Avoid gun free zones. They are dangerous places. Frequent places with lots of guns. More guns is the answer to the problem.

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:11:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub lol... I'm sure most thugs read your posts here on collarspace. Butch No I have had to make them aware of the cost of comming to my place looking for trouble. And two years ago I was adopted by a Rottwieler, those who would consider messing with me are not willing to deal with him.

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:14:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV UCC was chosen for a higher body count................. It was also apparently convenient, especially knowing that no one on campus would be armed. Whatever the response time of the local police was, it wasn't fast enough. And the sad reality is that it's never fast enough. Our children are sitting ducks. How the fuck is that possible in this day and age? It's possible for the reasons that you stated.......... higher body count, convenient, knowing that no one on campus would be armed, response time of the local police wasn't fast enough, absolutely they were sitting ducks. Solution: Avoid gun free zones. They are dangerous places. Frequent places with lots of guns. More guns is the answer to the problem. The security guard ran off a armed veteran who was willing to help. Welcome back I haven't seen you in quite a while.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:30:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not if the car is not unlocked... knowing the gun is in the car and leaving the car unlocked is irresponsible in my book. To me, this is the crux of the issue. Vagueness is an insidious disease. I just recently re-armed after a decade of not owning any firearms. The other day, my neighbor asked me to help him out with a repair on his boat (My step-dad had a few boats, when I was growing up and when I was allowed to live there, I was the chief care-taker and mechanic). We drove to a local RV place (I thought they did boating, too, but I was wrong). When I pulled up to the front door, there were two very large, very prominent signs proudly proclaiming that there were no firearms allowed in the store. I was in a quandary. I don't have a gun safe in my car. My neighbor has a felony conviction (40 years ago, but still) on his record. I can't just hand him the weapon and roll on into the store. That's a DEFINITE no-no. My trunk? There are some that would call me irresponsible, if I put the weapon in the trunk (with my neighbor, the ex-con, sitting in the car and the engine running). There are some that would call me irresponsible if my neighbor weren't in the car and the keys were in my pocket. I left because I won't do business in places that proclaim: "Hey, scumbags: LOTS of victims here, ripe for the picking!!!" Michael

BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/2/2015 11:36:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not if the car is not unlocked... knowing the gun is in the car and leaving the car unlocked is irresponsible in my book. To me, this is the crux of the issue. Vagueness is an insidious disease. I just recently re-armed after a decade of not owning any firearms. The other day, my neighbor asked me to help him out with a repair on his boat (My step-dad had a few boats, when I was growing up and when I was allowed to live there, I was the chief care-taker and mechanic). We drove to a local RV place (I thought they did boating, too, but I was wrong). When I pulled up to the front door, there were two very large, very prominent signs proudly proclaiming that there were no firearms allowed in the store. I was in a quandary. I don't have a gun safe in my car. My neighbor has a felony conviction (40 years ago, but still) on his record. I can't just hand him the weapon and roll on into the store. That's a DEFINITE no-no. My trunk? There are some that would call me irresponsible, if I put the weapon in the trunk (with my neighbor, the ex-con, sitting in the car and the engine running). There are some that would call me irresponsible if my neighbor weren't in the car and the keys were in my pocket. I left because I won't do business in places that proclaim: "Hey, scumbags: LOTS of victims here, ripe for the picking!!!" Michael The only gun free zones I go into are government buildings.

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