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BamaD -> RE: Umpqua mass shooting (10/7/2015 10:00:06 AM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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It is difficult for me to comprehend a society that allows several 9/11's of its citizens to die annually due to gun violence, and seems relaxed with the criminal political negligence that allows this to occur every year, while it responds so aggressively to the one 9/11 that actually happened.
Yep. I've been picking up the odd bit about the generally flabbergasted view of this amongst Australians.
One mass-shooting in 1996, followed by stringent gun laws (with the very right wing PM John Howard at the helm)... the result: no more mass shootings to date.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/03/3708876/australians-are-disgusted-at-the-american-response-to-the-oregon-gun-massacre/
And this week there was an attack on an Austrailian Police station, something that hasn't happened here in decades.
Since they passed that law, our crime rate, murder rate, and murder rate with firearms have all gained greatly on thiers. This is because ours has dropped nearly 50% (while gun ownership has doubled) and while they have had no mass shootings their crime rate has remained essentially the same. A fact Austrailians have verified repeatedly. At the same time as the Australian mass shooting, they declined to pass any such laws, and they too have had no mass shootings. And over the whole time period there crime rates have been comprable to Australians.
I am getting really tired of you presenting either false or misleading claims about crime rates here, and how they compare to the US. You have done this repeatedly and despite being corrected on many occasions, are still presenting false and/or misleading stats.
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And this week there was an attack on an Austrailian Police station, something that hasn't happened here in decades.
This was a 15 year old boy, apparently acting for IS (ie motivation was terrorist, not criminal) shooting a police employee outside a police station. It is the only incident of this kind to have happened for as long as I can remember. It takes a great leap of imagination to describe this as an "attack" on a police station. And it mischievous and misleading to include such incidents in a discussion of ordinary crime. Imagine how adding the fatalities from 9/11 to the US murder rate would skew and distort that figure - you have done precisely the same here.
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Since they passed that law, our crime rate, murder rate, and murder rate with firearms have all gained greatly on thiers. This is because ours has dropped nearly 50% (while gun ownership has doubled) and while they have had no mass shootings their crime rate has remained essentially the same.
This is highly misleading. US murder rates virtually doubled at the end of the 1960s from c4.5 per 100,000 to a peak of 10.2 in 1980, plateauing from the early 70s to the mid-90s at about 9 per 100,000, then declining at the end of the 90s to 5.7 per 100,000, then easing gradually to the current figure of 4.5 per 100,000. IOW murder rates spiked in the US during the 70s.80s and early 90s and now have returned to the 1960 levels. So your claims reflect a decline from the peak of a spike, hardly a representative picture. It is highly misleading to represent this decline as "greatly gaining" on some other country's crime rates.
While US gun sales have increased, it is a fact that the % of households owning guns has halved, reflecting a large drop in the number of households where one adult or more is a hunter. http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
It seems to be the case that a diminishing percentage of gun owners are making multiple purchases of guns.
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A fact Austrailians (sic)have verified repeatedly.
Perhaps you will cite an example of this as off the top of my head, I can't remember any Australian "verifying" your claims but I can remember Australian posters here disputing and contradicting some of your more ridiculous claims about Australian crime rates.
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At the same time as the Australian mass shooting, they declined to pass any such laws, and they too have had no mass shootings. And over the whole time period there crime rates have been comprable (sic) to Australians.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Who are the "they" you are referring to?
Whoever the "they"might be, it is clear that US murder rates and Australian murder rates are not roughly the same or even "comparable" at all. The Australian rate is consistent at about 1 per 100,000 of population, whereas the US rate fluctuates between 4.5 and 10 times greater than the Australian rate, as has been shown above.
"The rate of homicide victimisation (in Australia) has never exceeded two per 100,000 in the 17 years for which data are available. Victimisation has stayed at one per 100,000 since 2007" http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html
SOURCES: All Australian statistics are taken from the Australian Institute of Criminology at http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html Can I suggest you use this authoritative source for any Australian stats you may like to cite in future.
All US stats are taken from http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm which collates data from over 18,000 US law enforcement agencies, except where otherwise cited.
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I agree that if it was a terrorist action it doesn't count in a discussion of criminal activity. I only saw the early reports while they were saying that they did not know why he did this. That said, it did not stop gunaphobes frome trying to make hay over the terrorist attacks in Garland TX, Fort Hood, and agaist the recruiters in PA.
I said nothing about the exact levels of crime in Australia I only pointed out that New Zeland has a comprable crime rate. If your side can use terror attacks why can't mine?
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