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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:13:45 PM

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I was conservative bama... remember to me kids are anyone 20 and younger... what age do you believe someone is no longer a kid.

Well to you, hate is a fine and dandy thing. So at this point, I doubt anyone expects you to be reasonable. But calling a 20 year old a "child" is insulting to the young man and the intelligence of anyone reading your towel-wringing. The CDC classifies "children" as persons under age 15, for which the 2013 accidental death toll from firearms (remember that was the subject?) was 69 out of a 0-14 age population of 61,089,123.

K.

Right 14 and under not under 14, ty.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:18:25 PM

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Well, if you give drugs to an addict, and they die, you are in for some problems, if you leave gasoline around for a baby to take a swim in, you are in for some problems, if you buy alcohol for minors you are in for some problems (and I could go on and on) and if you leave a gun for a child, or a mental defective..........you should be in some problems.

In the other cases, there is some agreement, but on this thing, one must perform due diligence, if that is done, fine, if not..........I am for clapping the darbys on ya.

Your first three comparisons show intent: one intends to give a drug addict drugs, a baby to swim in gasoline, or minors to acquire alcohol. I know of no person that intentionally leaves a weapon out to purposefully enable a child to obtain and use it. What you are referring to are accidents, either via negligence, stupidity, or both. Parents whose children obtain a weapon and accidentally kill themselves or others already have unimaginable consequences, why do you feel a need to add insult to injury?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:21:33 PM

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no punishment for negligent parents?
I cant imagine that is what you are saying?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:25:53 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:28:39 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Ever hear of Boston.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:30:26 PM

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no punishment for negligent parents?
I cant imagine that is what you are saying?

What punishment should a negligent parent who just lost their child receive?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:35:33 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Ever hear of Boston.

yeah not counted as a mass murder....only (HAH) three died.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:36:49 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Well if a "gun nut" is defined as someone with a firearm who does something crazy, that would follow.

Otherwise, not so much.

K.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:37:09 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

I know of two mass murders on US soil, one involved box cutters and the other involved fertilizer and a truck.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:37:54 PM

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no punishment for negligent parents?
I cant imagine that is what you are saying?

What punishment should a negligent parent who just lost their child receive?

i was asking you if a parent should not be punished when their negligence led to the death of their child.
Now you are asking, if they JUST lost their child.?
different topic altogether:)

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:40:09 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Well if a "gun nut" is defined as someone with a firearm who does something crazy, that would follow.

Otherwise, not so much.

K.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:44:55 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

I know of two mass murders on US soil, one involved box cutters and the other involved fertilizer and a truck.

they seem to be outliers.... in what is it now, 20 years, you can only think of two? how many victims?
How many children have been killed by guns, since?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:47:35 PM

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no punishment for negligent parents?
I cant imagine that is what you are saying?

What punishment should a negligent parent who just lost their child receive?

i was asking you if a parent should not be punished when their negligence led to the death of their child.
Now you are asking, if they JUST lost their child.?
different topic altogether:)

Let's define just lost their child; are we referring to time or 'quantity' (for lack of a better term)? Ie a child dies an hour ago versus a child fatally wounds themselves but causes no (physical) damage to others.

I'll pose two scenarios: in the first, a parent puts their firearm in a safe/drawer/lockable container but a child accesses the safe/drawer/lockable container and fatally shoots themselves. In the second, a parent backs out of a driveway and runs over their toddler.

What should the punishments be?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 7:58:20 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

I know of two mass murders on US soil, one involved box cutters and the other involved fertilizer and a truck.

they seem to be outliers.... in what is it now, 20 years, you can only think of two? how many victims?
How many children have been killed by guns, since?

The deaths of 3,164 (2,996+168) people are "outliers" because it was over 20 years ago? Or do they not matter because the perpetrators didn't use a firearm?

Are you looking for the number of children killed by firearms or the total number of children killed, eg by cars, pools, cancer, etc?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:03:45 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Ever hear of Boston.

yeah not counted as a mass murder....only (HAH) three died.

It is by some anti gun groups HAH HAH, or would be if they had a gun.
Your statement is only true with circular logic.
A person who commits a mass shooting must be a gun nut, therefore all mass shootings are committed by gun nuts.
The mere possession of firearems does not make you a gun nut.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:05:24 PM

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Notice how all of the mass murders with guns are committed by gun nuts?

Ever hear of Boston.

yeah not counted as a mass murder....only (HAH) three died.

You need to keep up with your side, they now count (on your side) any incident where 4 or more are injured. Boston meets the leftist criteria.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:13:41 PM

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Kirata... then I will insult them... they are not grown...experienced and responsible adults at that age... of course 21 does not make them that way either the brain is not fully developed until well in the 20's but it is close enough at 20... Below that they are still children even if they can vote...drive and die in the military. They make rash emotional decisions and that is why 18 to 24 year old commit the most murders.

To me adults are when their brains are fully developed and they learn to control their emotions and become responsible.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:19:25 PM

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Kirata... then I will insult them... they are not grown...experienced and responsible adults at that age... of course 21 does not make them that way either the brain is not fully developed until well in the 20's but it is close enough at 20... Below that they are still children even if they can vote...drive and die in the military. They make rash emotional decisions and that is why 18 to 24 year old commit the most murders.

To me adults are when their brains are fully developed and they learn to control their emotions and become responsible.

Butch

So you use numbers produced by anti gun groups who only care about limiting ownership and set your criteria for children at a level that is in total contradiction to the rest of society, and you want to be taking seriously.

PS What was it you want done to the property owner when a 16 year old climbs the fence and drowns in the pool?
They have provided less security than locking the doors so they must be criminally responsible.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:23:42 PM

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I didn't know NBC and US news were anti-gun group...are they? How about the Washington Post and the USAtoday... how about the NYtimes?

How about the CDC are they good enough... according to them

Mortality
All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 192,945
Deaths per 100,000 population: 60.2
All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 48,545
Deaths per 100,000 population: 15.4
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,804
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 33,636
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

The above statistics kind of shoot your swimming pool and poisoning deaths all to hell gun deaths are almost the same.

Butch

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/8/2015 8:25:54 PM

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no punishment for negligent parents?
I cant imagine that is what you are saying?

What punishment should a negligent parent who just lost their child receive?

i was asking you if a parent should not be punished when their negligence led to the death of their child.
Now you are asking, if they JUST lost their child.?
different topic altogether:)

Let's define just lost their child; are we referring to time or 'quantity' (for lack of a better term)? Ie a child dies an hour ago versus a child fatally wounds themselves but causes no (physical) damage to others.

I'll pose two scenarios: in the first, a parent puts their firearm in a safe/drawer/lockable container but a child accesses the safe/drawer/lockable container and fatally shoots themselves. In the second, a parent backs out of a driveway and runs over their toddler.

What should the punishments be?

You made the statement ....Im asking for clarification, I could have stated it better.
But we are not talking the same thing.
Im a mother, Ive had accidents and stuff happens(ala jeb) but I wouldnt expect to NOT be punished if I was negligent.

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