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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 10:56:45 AM   
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Why shouldn't people be able to kill themselves?


Any volunteers?

This is another discussion and worthy one to boot. Personally I do think there are circumstances when taking ones own life is not insane. But unless I am mistaken there are laws governing these circumstances in the limited areas it is allowed. There are, I believe, certain laws and regulations to consider before this is allowed. I am pretty sure this includes multiple doctor evaluations along with a mental exam.

But tell me this... how many instances of gun suicide off hand can you remember reading about where there was a murder involved... quite a few... Mother or father shoots children then themselves... Lovers shoot lovers then themselves...etc. On the whole I would say suicide is considered in most cases the result of mental illness though I agree not in all cases... in some it is a mercy.

Butch

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 10:57:47 AM   
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no biggie then, we dont need to concern ourselves with the dead police for that reason, they signed on for it and carry guns as well.

Go after the criminals, not the legitimate gun owners.
If they can't enforce current laws how are they going to enforce more?

If stupid people didn't have guns for the criminals to steal, they wouldn't have the guns to kill people with.

The trouble with you Bama is that you'll divert to anything to avoid the issue with guns.
Anything and everything as long as you don't dare to suggest restricting or removing your precious guns.


What do you do when kids start hurting each other with their toys??
You don't give them more toys (your suggestion), you take the toys away (the sensible suggestion).
There are far too many stupid people that have access to guns, so restrict who can get them and how many.
Go after the sensible people until they can actually prove they are sensible, that way the criminals and perpetrators of gun crimes won't get their hands on guns to commit the bad deeds.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:14:22 AM   
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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:19:05 AM   
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Kirata... Don't you think those that commit suicide are insane?

As a blanket statement, no.

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a periodic mental certification for gun ownership would reduce those deaths don't you think... at least by guns.

True. As long as they don't use a gun, that's what counts.

Now that I've answered your questions, could you answer one for me? I don't know how I ended up on this planet, but I want to go home. I miss the gravity. I miss there being something to keep people's feet on the ground. Can you help? Is there a way to get back to Earth?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:21:27 AM   
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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:23:19 AM   
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no biggie then, we dont need to concern ourselves with the dead police for that reason, they signed on for it and carry guns as well.

Go after the criminals, not the legitimate gun owners.
If they can't enforce current laws how are they going to enforce more?

If stupid people didn't have guns for the criminals to steal, they wouldn't have the guns to kill people with.

The trouble with you Bama is that you'll divert to anything to avoid the issue with guns.
Anything and everything as long as you don't dare to suggest restricting or removing your precious guns.


What do you do when kids start hurting each other with their toys??
You don't give them more toys (your suggestion), you take the toys away (the sensible suggestion).
There are far too many stupid people that have access to guns, so restrict who can get them and how many.
Go after the sensible people until they can actually prove they are sensible, that way the criminals and perpetrators of gun crimes won't get their hands on guns to commit the bad deeds.

Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:26:59 AM   
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Kirata... Don't you think those that commit suicide are insane? I don't know and you don't either how many of those suicides were committed by stolen or unsecured weapons... BUT we do know that those people committing suicide should not have had access to killing weapons... Requiring a periodic mental certification for gun ownership would reduce those deaths don't you think... at least by guns. In most all my posts I have included accidental deaths... crime deaths AND the insane. Remember statistics may also include mass murderers that commit suicide.

Now they may or they may not have used other methods to kill themselves...we will not know... but we do know GUNS were used to kill those insane people and they should not have had access to them.

Butch

I see that you are channeliing Joe, if you can't do anything else, why not make firearms ownership too expensive for most people.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:31:09 AM   
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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 11:57:01 AM   
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Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:10:43 PM   
JVoV


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.



You're suggesting he go through all of his posts through the years to prove something he already knows isn't true?

Exactly how the hell is he supposed to know what you misread or understood, when you can't even figure it out?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:17:33 PM   
BamaD


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Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.


No, you are asking the imposible. I can't prove that I never said that.
When this first came up I told you about when YOU said you were sure I had violated gun laws, and I told you that I had not.
You show me where I said it.
I am retired military, if I had been in jail I couldn't have gotten in.
I worked at NSA, if I had been in jail I couldn't have gotten the clearances.
I worked for our Sheriff's office, if I had been in jail I couldn't have done that.
I have a ccw, if I had been in jail I couldn't have gotten that.
I have bought guns from dealers, if I had been in jail I wouldn't have passed the background check.
I still get my military retirement, if I had gone to jail that would have been cut off.
Now you show me one shread of evidence that I have done time other than you want it to be true to distract from your homemade mace which you admitted was against the law there.
It is a scurolus and slandrous lie and I want an apology.
FIND PROOF, "I seem to remember" is not proof it is an excuse to lie about me.
I could "seem to remember" that you admitted to child abuse, remember when you sent your stepson to the hospital, but it would still be self defence and not abuse.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.



You're suggesting he go through all of his posts through the years to prove something he already knows isn't true?

Exactly how the hell is he supposed to know what you misread or understood, when you can't even figure it out?


Have you considered it may be something that someone else wrote that he is attributing to Bama?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:29:53 PM   
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Have you considered it may be something that someone else wrote that he is attributing to Bama?


Well that's even worse. I mean, Bama says enough stupid shit on his own, without getting blamed for anyone else's!!

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:34:30 PM   
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I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.



I found the post.. at least I think it's the post. Bama responded (and quoted) a post in which another
poster admitted they had a criminal record.

Is it possible that's the post to which you are referring?





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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:37:47 PM   
BamaD


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Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.



You're suggesting he go through all of his posts through the years to prove something he already knows isn't true?

Exactly how the hell is he supposed to know what you misread or understood, when you can't even figure it out?

I have one speeding ticket, and one citation because I was half asleep and didn't see an officer holding his hand up for me to stop. Other than that I have a spottless record. So I guess that may make me a model citizen. But I think I would remember if I spent time in jail, don't you? Tell me how I am supposed to prove a negative.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:41:33 PM   
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No, you are asking the imposible. I can't prove that I never said that.
When this first came up I told you about when YOU said you were sure I had violated gun laws, and I told you that I had not.
You show me where I said it.

No, I said that you had mentioned that you had a conviction - I didn't say of what and it certainly wasn't about gun laws.
And it came up because you keep dragging up the one comment I did make about myself and you won't let it go like a bulldog hanging off someone's ass - you drag it up time and time again when it's just not relevant to the topic at hand (which is against the ToS and forum guidelines... but we'll just ignore that for now).
Even your response (which I deliberately omitted some of) is dragging it up yet again and it has no fucking relevance to the topic.

It isn't "a scurolus and slandrous lie", it was a comment.
You are making this a very personal issue and I can think of a number of personal insults that you have passed to myself and others - but I don't see you (or anyone else) demanding an apology for some insults that you've thrown around.
As adults, we should be able to let this pass as something irrelevant; but you, like a spoiled 2yo brat, keep throwing a hissy fit.

I can't find where you said it any more than you can't seem to find my reposte.
You say it's impossible and I can make the very same claim. touche.
So let's drop the personal drama war shall we and get back to the topic being discussed.

I'm saying no more on the off-topic subject.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:43:30 PM   
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I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.



I found the post.. at least I think it's the post. Bama responded (and quoted) a post in which another
poster admitted they had a criminal record.

Is it possible that's the post to which you are referring?





I can see where my post could have been misinterpreted.
FD has admitted to owning a homemade mace and carrying it down the street to intimidate the thugs in his area. In England that is a serious crime. He was never charged, or convicted. However he has repeatedly admitted to this and defended it. That is what I was referring to. I said he was a felon, and he and I have gone over this enough times that he should have know that I meant he is an uncovicted felon.
I find it to be important because he wants us to adopt laws that he won't follow.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 12:54:37 PM   
BamaD


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No, you are asking the imposible. I can't prove that I never said that.
When this first came up I told you about when YOU said you were sure I had violated gun laws, and I told you that I had not.
You show me where I said it.

No, I said that you had mentioned that you had a conviction - I didn't say of what and it certainly wasn't about gun laws.
And it came up because you keep dragging up the one comment I did make about myself and you won't let it go like a bulldog hanging off someone's ass - you drag it up time and time again when it's just not relevant to the topic at hand (which is against the ToS and forum guidelines... but we'll just ignore that for now).
Even your response (which I deliberately omitted some of) is dragging it up yet again and it has no fucking relevance to the topic.

It isn't "a scurolus and slandrous lie", it was a comment.
You are making this a very personal issue and I can think of a number of personal insults that you have passed to myself and others - but I don't see you (or anyone else) demanding an apology for some insults that you've thrown around.
As adults, we should be able to let this pass as something irrelevant; but you, like a spoiled 2yo brat, keep throwing a hissy fit.

I can't find where you said it any more than you can't seem to find my reposte.
You say it's impossible and I can make the very same claim. touche.
So let's drop the personal drama war shall we and get back to the topic being discussed.

I'm saying no more on the off-topic subject.

Wrong, accusing me of being a convicted criminal is beyond insults. It is an outright lie.
Are you saying now that your remembered it wrong, because I never said anything of the such.
Right you want to leave that I am a convicted criminal so you can dismiss anything I say based on that lie.
Meanwhile you can't post without telling us how much wiser you are and if we would just pass your laws everything would be ok. This while refusing to ovey the very laws you want us to.
Maybe in jollie old England being an ex-con is no big deal, we have higher standards.
In this state I couldn't even vote if you were telling the truth.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 1:14:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Are you ready to apologize for lying about me, until then nothing an admitted felon carries any weight at all, and I will not respond to your comments.

I distinctly remember you saying something about you having a criminal record somewhere on these forums or at least being convicted of something.
If I have remembered incorrectly, show me where I misinterpreted your words.
I didn't lie about you, I said I remember you saying something. That's not the same thing.
But of course, you like to twist words and use subterfuge and obfuscation in great quantity.
Until then, I have nothing to apologize for.

As for being a felon, I admit to one and only one incident that I openly admit to.
I wasn't charged, or even given a warning and yes the police know that I have it and why.

You, I suppose, are a model citizen and never ever broke the law, not even once???
PFFFFTTTT!!! Pull the other one - the bells are louder.

Let he who has not sinned and all that.... pot meet kettle.



You're suggesting he go through all of his posts through the years to prove something he already knows isn't true?

Exactly how the hell is he supposed to know what you misread or understood, when you can't even figure it out?


Have you considered it may be something that someone else wrote that he is attributing to Bama?


That may be the case. Regardless, he has repeated this accusation multiple times over the past week or so and he has not offered any supporting evidence and has ignored the fact that Bama has repeatedly denied it. He is the one that is making the accusation repeatedly. The onus is on him to prove it. If he can't he needs to stop saying it.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/9/2015 1:29:36 PM   
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I can't find where you said it any more than you can't seem to find my reposte.
You say it's impossible and I can make the very same claim. touche.

The fact that you can't find evidence that I said something I didn't say means I just have to accept it. If it exist you should be able to find it, if not you sould admit that you were wrong.. BTW in case you are aware of this, most lies are told as a commint so saying that it was a comment, not a lie, is disingenuous, and grossly misleading.
A person being a convicted criminal, or ignoreing the very laws they are arguing for is relevant. It speaks to the veracity of what they say. You ignore your laws so you are either insincer in your advocacy or you think you are above the rest of us and only have to obey the laws they like.
And it doesn't matter what law you want to believe I broke to go to jail it is a lie.
Just admit you screwed up and we can go on.

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