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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: joether

We'll have another mass shooting in about 3-4 weeks from now if we are lucky.

Beyond fucking words...

K.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw a meme last week:

Ban Abortions!
Ban Gay Marriage!
Ban Immigration!
...but banning guns won't work, because people will find a way.

Now, no one's asking to ban guns, simply pursue logical regulation common in civilized countries.
But the meme does highlight (if only by parody) the myopia of the circle-the-wagons-gun-defense paranoia.

Do you even read what some of the anti gun people post in these pages?

Few suggest a look at the existing laws to fix them, most point out that if guns were impossible to get ahold of, mass shootings wont happen.

The majority post statistics that not only include criminal acts, but suicides and accidents, then inflate the number by however many points the source came up with.

Then of course you have the ones that make it clear that from their point of view all gun owners are responsible for the whatever happened, that a specific weapon or type of weapon is the problem, so "ban" or "restriction" is the only logical answer.

First of all, the "restriction" aspect has been covered by existing laws, the problem comes into focus when you look at enforcement, or even getting the information collected to prevent the purchase in the first place.

All of the flags under the "restriction of purchase" regulations should pop up with the current back ground checks required. This means that the NCIS as well as two other data bases should have the information readily available.

The operative word here is "should."

Here is why they dont work. The NCIS system is underfunded, poorly maintained, and the fact that there is no funding available to fix the problems are a direct result in the fact that funds have been budgeted, but never fully allocated.

You want the problems fixed, the solution is easy. Get people elected that will fix the current problems and not create a shit ton more by writing legislation that further complicate the fucking situation.

Stop talking to the so called experts and talk to the people that have to actually make the current laws work and ask them what the problems are.

As I said before, you are looking at a government body that takes a simple little problem that barely requires a page to write a solution and then complicates to the point of needing a thousand pages of bullshit that not even the people who wrote it understand.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Bama, all the tremors movies were bad movies, that is the great thing about them.

And it was Tremors 3, actually. Tremors 4 was set back in the old west when Burt's great grandfather dealt with the damn things the first time (he left Burt a lot of silver, but not a journal telling him of the encounter, if he had, Burt would have built his house better and not had to blow the damn thing up in Tremors 3)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As I have written, regardless of the numbers while NCIS applications to tend to support my theory.

In America going back over 200 years to what was predominantly a hunting based society, most people and that is most people...a large majority, were expected to own a gun, mostly for hunting, then for sport.

We have created therefore...a gun culture and it wouldn't be a leap of logic to suggest that far too many deaths using a gun no matter how and by whom, is almost directly as a result of this gun culture.

As for other countries and their laws vs gun deaths. They can come here and get them fairly easily and illegal guns soon become no different than...illegal drugs against which unlike guns, we have a multi-billion $ law based, prevention regime.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If the cops know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central, why don't they just go in there and do their job and take those guns away from the felons?


Sounds like a police problem to me.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If the cops know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central, why don't they just go in there and do their job and take those guns away from the felons?


Sounds like a police problem to me.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw a meme last week:

Ban Abortions!
Ban Gay Marriage!
Ban Immigration!
...but banning guns won't work, because people will find a way.

Now, no one's asking to ban guns, simply pursue logical regulation common in civilized countries.
But the meme does highlight (if only by parody) the myopia of the circle-the-wagons-gun-defense paranoia.

Do you even read what some of the anti gun people post in these pages?

Few suggest a look at the existing laws to fix them, most point out that if guns were impossible to get ahold of, mass shootings wont happen.

The majority post statistics that not only include criminal acts, but suicides and accidents, then inflate the number by however many points the source came up with.

Then of course you have the ones that make it clear that from their point of view all gun owners are responsible for the whatever happened, that a specific weapon or type of weapon is the problem, so "ban" or "restriction" is the only logical answer.

First of all, the "restriction" aspect has been covered by existing laws, the problem comes into focus when you look at enforcement, or even getting the information collected to prevent the purchase in the first place.

All of the flags under the "restriction of purchase" regulations should pop up with the current back ground checks required. This means that the NCIS as well as two other data bases should have the information readily available.

The operative word here is "should."

Here is why they dont work. The NCIS system is underfunded, poorly maintained, and the fact that there is no funding available to fix the problems are a direct result in the fact that funds have been budgeted, but never fully allocated.

You want the problems fixed, the solution is easy. Get people elected that will fix the current problems and not create a shit ton more by writing legislation that further complicate the fucking situation.

Stop talking to the so called experts and talk to the people that have to actually make the current laws work and ask them what the problems are.

As I said before, you are looking at a government body that takes a simple little problem that barely requires a page to write a solution and then complicates to the point of needing a thousand pages of bullshit that not even the people who wrote it understand.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If the cops know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central, why don't they just go in there and do their job and take those guns away from the felons?


Sounds like a police problem to me.

Where specifically does one go to acquire these 10,000 illegal guns in South Central? Should we have the police start kicking in doors and searching homes to find these illegal firearms?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Do you believe the keyboard warriors who post attitudes here are a representative sample?

Bottom line -- the big gun confiscation predicted hasn't happened and isn't in the works. Meanwhile, reasonable laws in civilized countries work.

Meanwhile, Gun sales hit a record high for the fifth month in a row. That's in a country where there are 112 guns per citizen. So manufacturers have to rely on (1) trumped up fears and (2) invented reasons you need new, more advanced guns. The market is saturated.

Wake up. The tail is wagging the dog.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If the cops know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central, why don't they just go in there and do their job and take those guns away from the felons?


Sounds like a police problem to me.

Where specifically does one go to acquire these 10,000 illegal guns in South Central? Should we have the police start kicking in doors and searching homes to find these illegal firearms?

but we advocate that as a method to get illegal aliens, just round em up, so this simplistic shit being bandied about has been discredited altogether then? so, we dont know where the guns are and we dont know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central and many other things.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As I have written, regardless of the numbers while NCIS applications to tend to support my theory.

In America going back over 200 years to what was predominantly a hunting based society, most people and that is most people...a large majority, were expected to own a gun, mostly for hunting, then for sport.

We have created therefore...a gun culture and it wouldn't be a leap of logic to suggest that far too many deaths using a gun no matter how and by whom, is almost directly as a result of this gun culture.

As for other countries and their laws vs gun deaths. They can come here and get them fairly easily and illegal guns soon become no different than...illegal drugs against which unlike guns, we have a multi-billion $ law based, prevention regime.

The data indicates that an overwhelmingly large percentage of firearms are not involved in any murder. If we continue looking at data, 71.15M cars were sold in 2014 while there were 33,804 vehicle-related deaths. There seems to be a higher percentage of vehicles used to kill than firearms.

I would advise against citing the War on Drugs as a shining example of what laws can prevent.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

nothing could be less accurate. is English a second or third language for you?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

but we advocate that as a method to get illegal aliens, just round em up, so this simplistic shit being bandied about has been discredited altogether then? so, we dont know where the guns are and we dont know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central and many other things.