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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's in a country where there are 112 guns per citizen.

The current population estimate is ~318 million, with an estimated 310 million guns in private hands.

Do you have different figures?

K.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If the cops know there are 10000 illegal guns in south central, why don't they just go in there and do their job and take those guns away from the felons?


Sounds like a police problem to me.

Right, actually it is not so much as a policeman problem, but a problem of manpower, the fact that most criminals have police out matched in firepower as well as manpower.

There are 9,843 officers in the Los Angeles county police department, the population of LA is over three million.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw a meme last week:

Ban Abortions!
Ban Gay Marriage!
Ban Immigration!
...but banning guns won't work, because people will find a way.

Now, no one's asking to ban guns, simply pursue logical regulation common in civilized countries.
But the meme does highlight (if only by parody) the myopia of the circle-the-wagons-gun-defense paranoia.

Do you even read what some of the anti gun people post in these pages?

Few suggest a look at the existing laws to fix them, most point out that if guns were impossible to get ahold of, mass shootings wont happen.

The majority post statistics that not only include criminal acts, but suicides and accidents, then inflate the number by however many points the source came up with.

Then of course you have the ones that make it clear that from their point of view all gun owners are responsible for the whatever happened, that a specific weapon or type of weapon is the problem, so "ban" or "restriction" is the only logical answer.

First of all, the "restriction" aspect has been covered by existing laws, the problem comes into focus when you look at enforcement, or even getting the information collected to prevent the purchase in the first place.

All of the flags under the "restriction of purchase" regulations should pop up with the current back ground checks required. This means that the NCIS as well as two other data bases should have the information readily available.

The operative word here is "should."

Here is why they dont work. The NCIS system is underfunded, poorly maintained, and the fact that there is no funding available to fix the problems are a direct result in the fact that funds have been budgeted, but never fully allocated.

You want the problems fixed, the solution is easy. Get people elected that will fix the current problems and not create a shit ton more by writing legislation that further complicate the fucking situation.

Stop talking to the so called experts and talk to the people that have to actually make the current laws work and ask them what the problems are.

As I said before, you are looking at a government body that takes a simple little problem that barely requires a page to write a solution and then complicates to the point of needing a thousand pages of bullshit that not even the people who wrote it understand.

Do you believe the keyboard warriors who post attitudes here are a representative sample?

Bottom line -- the big gun confiscation predicted hasn't happened and isn't in the works. Meanwhile, reasonable laws in civilized countries work.

Meanwhile, Gun sales hit a record high for the fifth month in a row. That's in a country where there are 112 guns per citizen. So manufacturers have to rely on (1) trumped up fears and (2) invented reasons you need new, more advanced guns. The market is saturated.

Wake up. The tail is wagging the dog.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You may personally insult me, I dont give the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck. You would lose that game though.

My intent was not to insult you. If you are frangible, you are in big trouble here. I asked cuz I DON'T FUCKING KNOW, and do not know you from a ken doll.

What statements 'imply' is of your own mind. You worked out your own implications. But you have already demonstrated less than a working knowledge of my intents.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw a meme last week:

Ban Abortions!
Ban Gay Marriage!
Ban Immigration!
...but banning guns won't work, because people will find a way.

Now, no one's asking to ban guns, simply pursue logical regulation common in civilized countries.
But the meme does highlight (if only by parody) the myopia of the circle-the-wagons-gun-defense paranoia.

Do you even read what some of the anti gun people post in these pages?

Few suggest a look at the existing laws to fix them, most point out that if guns were impossible to get ahold of, mass shootings wont happen.

The majority post statistics that not only include criminal acts, but suicides and accidents, then inflate the number by however many points the source came up with.

Then of course you have the ones that make it clear that from their point of view all gun owners are responsible for the whatever happened, that a specific weapon or type of weapon is the problem, so "ban" or "restriction" is the only logical answer.

First of all, the "restriction" aspect has been covered by existing laws, the problem comes into focus when you look at enforcement, or even getting the information collected to prevent the purchase in the first place.

All of the flags under the "restriction of purchase" regulations should pop up with the current back ground checks required. This means that the NCIS as well as two other data bases should have the information readily available.

The operative word here is "should."

Here is why they dont work. The NCIS system is underfunded, poorly maintained, and the fact that there is no funding available to fix the problems are a direct result in the fact that funds have been budgeted, but never fully allocated.

You want the problems fixed, the solution is easy. Get people elected that will fix the current problems and not create a shit ton more by writing legislation that further complicate the fucking situation.

Stop talking to the so called experts and talk to the people that have to actually make the current laws work and ask them what the problems are.

As I said before, you are looking at a government body that takes a simple little problem that barely requires a page to write a solution and then complicates to the point of needing a thousand pages of bullshit that not even the people who wrote it understand.

Do you believe the keyboard warriors who post attitudes here are a representative sample?

Bottom line -- the big gun confiscation predicted hasn't happened and isn't in the works. Meanwhile, reasonable laws in civilized countries work.

Meanwhile, Gun sales hit a record high for the fifth month in a row. That's in a country where there are 112 guns per citizen. So manufacturers have to rely on (1) trumped up fears and (2) invented reasons you need new, more advanced guns. The market is saturated.

Wake up. The tail is wagging the dog.

You actually believe that there are over 30 billion guns in the US?
And gun sales are down.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw a meme last week:

Ban Abortions!
Ban Gay Marriage!
Ban Immigration!
...but banning guns won't work, because people will find a way.

Now, no one's asking to ban guns, simply pursue logical regulation common in civilized countries.
But the meme does highlight (if only by parody) the myopia of the circle-the-wagons-gun-defense paranoia.

Do you even read what some of the anti gun people post in these pages?

Few suggest a look at the existing laws to fix them, most point out that if guns were impossible to get ahold of, mass shootings wont happen.

The majority post statistics that not only include criminal acts, but suicides and accidents, then inflate the number by however many points the source came up with.

Then of course you have the ones that make it clear that from their point of view all gun owners are responsible for the whatever happened, that a specific weapon or type of weapon is the problem, so "ban" or "restriction" is the only logical answer.

First of all, the "restriction" aspect has been covered by existing laws, the problem comes into focus when you look at enforcement, or even getting the information collected to prevent the purchase in the first place.

All of the flags under the "restriction of purchase" regulations should pop up with the current back ground checks required. This means that the NCIS as well as two other data bases should have the information readily available.

The operative word here is "should."

Here is why they dont work. The NCIS system is underfunded, poorly maintained, and the fact that there is no funding available to fix the problems are a direct result in the fact that funds have been budgeted, but never fully allocated.

You want the problems fixed, the solution is easy. Get people elected that will fix the current problems and not create a shit ton more by writing legislation that further complicate the fucking situation.

Stop talking to the so called experts and talk to the people that have to actually make the current laws work and ask them what the problems are.

As I said before, you are looking at a government body that takes a simple little problem that barely requires a page to write a solution and then complicates to the point of needing a thousand pages of bullshit that not even the people who wrote it understand.

Do you believe the keyboard warriors who post attitudes here are a representative sample?

Bottom line -- the big gun confiscation predicted hasn't happened and isn't in the works. Meanwhile, reasonable laws in civilized countries work.

Meanwhile, Gun sales hit a record high for the fifth month in a row. That's in a country where there are 112 guns per citizen. So manufacturers have to rely on (1) trumped up fears and (2) invented reasons you need new, more advanced guns. The market is saturated.

Wake up. The tail is wagging the dog.

You actually believe that there are over 30 billion guns in the US?
And gun sales are down.

I simply grabbed too quickly, sorry -- that's per 100 residents. My bad. There are apparently 310 million -- still more than residents, still far more than adults.

If gun sales are down, you'll need to explain it to Fortune (see link), who didn't think so.

And the Washington Post.

Down from when?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Down from the gun control hysteria that followed Sandy Hook, as documented earlier in this thread July sales were down from earlier in the year. That alone makes it impossible to have five straight months of record sales.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

My research shows 3 straight months of record background checks, spured, no doubt my Obama's political speech at the Charleston funeral. The NRA doesn't have to spread fear, they have Obama proving that he is the greatest gun salesman in history.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And...turns out you're wrong, as the data show.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Gosh. They seem to be up in September.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Here's where reading the thread might prove handy to you.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Here's where reading the thread might prove handy to you.

I must have missed the source you cited that said Obama and or the NRA are directly responsible for selling a large number of firearms. Please point it out to me.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
I must have missed the source you cited that said Obama and or the NRA are directly responsible for selling a large number of firearms. Please point it out to me.

Top of this page. Post 40

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ORIGINAL: MusicMystery
It was a quick grab from Wikipedia, which cites this source:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/05/guns-in-the-united-states-one-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/

But whatever the "actual" numbers, doesn't change the point -- it's a saturated market.

Yet, gun manufactures have doubled their output since 2009:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/05/guns-in-the-united-states-one-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/

Obama (and a gullible gun-buying public) are the best thing that ever happened to gun manufacturers in the US.