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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:11:14 AM

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I'm being invited to believe, here, that the British Army - from our tiny country - was able to control such things across such a large land-mass as the USA covers,

During the colonial period the u.s. was just the 13 colonies and only extended inland for a few hundred miles. Not really a big place and all one really need control are the ports.
Yes g.b. did utilize the produce of the colonies...that is what the colonial system was...a source of raw matreials. The "stealing of a man's labor is just so much bullshit. The only labor stolen was from the slaves.

Yep, bit of a howler there on my part: the 'pre-USA' was tiny back then. It did flit through my mind that the settlers could have moved beyond the reach of the UK government. Which, of course, many did - though much later.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:33:00 AM

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As for 'happier' ... Still not up there with Shangri Las like Columbia, Brazil, Nigeria and ... Uganda - countries not known for their freedom from corruption, murder, crime of all types? Jesus, *Uganda*? I reckon I'll just stay unhappy, thanks, K. ;-)

Well I'm afraid you're doomed to be, if that's how you interpret points at opposite ends of an axis on an x,y plot.

By the way, what's with this "reckon" shit? Have you taken up channeling Hillary Clinton?

K.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:52:40 AM

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As for 'happier' ... Still not up there with Shangri Las like Columbia, Brazil, Nigeria and ... Uganda - countries not known for their freedom from corruption, murder, crime of all types? Jesus, *Uganda*? I reckon I'll just stay unhappy, thanks, K. ;-)

Well I'm afraid you are doomed to be, if that's how you interpret data points at opposite ends of an axis on an x,y plot.

K.

I don't think it means an awful lot, K. Intriguing, but not more. There may or may not be some relationship between 'self-reliance' and 'happiness' (beyond the fact these are things that people often just like to say, rather than they actually feel). From your figures, there's a much, much clearer relationship between being poor, living in a corrupt, murderous country - and being happy. Perhaps these things come down to contrast? Maybe, for instance, I'd call myself happy if I were a Colombian who'd managed to get through a day without being shot, like my neighbour?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:58:16 AM

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Perhaps these things come down to contrast? Maybe, for instance, I'd call myself happy if I were a Colombian who'd managed to get through a day without being shot, like my neighbour?

Well I see your point about contrast. But neither myself nor my neighbors are likely to be shot anytime soon, and if anyone tries they'll be lucky if they live to regret it. On the other hand, if I had to survive on an income that low I'd probably be ecstatic to find some still-warm road kill.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 3:27:36 AM

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It is unlike, at least almost, every other country. We have certain segments of the population that are violent and indifferent to life.

OK, I give up. Americans are nastier than the peoples of other countries and *thats* why you need your guns. Strewth. I don't say it, but get accused of thinking it ... you - and I see a few others here, too - appear to embrace the view wholeheartedly.

I have a headache ....

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:03:41 AM

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Well I see your point about contrast. But neither myself nor my neighbors are likely to be shot anytime soon, and if anyone tries they'll be lucky if they live to regret it.

It appears that you and your neighbors are all part of delta force and stand at the ready 24/7 Or more likely you think that pistol in the night stand drawer makes you and your neighbors such.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:09:33 AM

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It is unlike, at least almost, every other country. We have certain segments of the population that are violent and indifferent to life.

Would you be able to identify these segments? Would you be talking about slave owners? Would you be talking about the klan? Would you be talking about all the white people who lynched black people for being black in public? Could they be the decendents of those desperados? Could they be the people who pimped the corvair and the pinto and calculated the death toll $? Could it be the punkassmotherfucker who murdered a kid for stealing a can of beer? Could it be a punkassmotherfucker who murders an old alshiemers dude wandering around in the dark?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:12:28 AM

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Rioters are law breakers. I say jail 'em. Collect any evidence and try them in court. If they are found guilty either by their own accord or by jury; they are given the maximum penalty.

Like the guys who threw all that tea in boston harbor?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:14:41 AM

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There ya go, glad to help.

Data from pew (right wing think tank) is always helpful to rightwing opinion.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:18:05 AM

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How a respondent defines "success" is irrelevant to the question.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:31:34 AM

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Well I see your point about contrast. But neither myself nor my neighbors are likely to be shot anytime soon, and if anyone tries they'll be lucky if they live to regret it.

It appears that you and your neighbors are all part of delta force and stand at the ready 24/7

Does it appear that way to you? What a colossal ass you must be!

K.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:40:23 AM

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There ya go, glad to help.

Data from pew (right wing think tank) is always helpful to rightwing opinion.

You're making shit up again.

Although today the Pew Charitable Trusts is officially non-partisan and non-ideological... the modern day organization is considered to represent the far left on many issues ~Source

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:55:34 AM

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It proves both ignorance of the situation, and it seems to imply that if you take the guns from law abiding citizens the criminals will politely give up theirs

It's been managed in other countries, JLF. Why couldn't it happen in the USA, too? Are the USA's criminal - and gun-carrying - element, of a different breed to those of other countries whose criminals once carried guns? Australia managed it - are Aussie criminals much nicer and less violent and murderous than American criminals, in some way?

And again we keep going around in circles with this same shit. And again it's not the same here as it is in the UK. The UK will damn near fit into Texas. There are 49 more states with their own governments, laws, subcultures and attitudes sprawling across a great land mass. We have in excess of 300 million freaking firearms in private hands. The ones you guys confiscated from your citizens were registered. Ours are not. Your laws would only exaserbate the problems.

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I keep coming up against this question: Why is the USA *so damned exceptional* when it comes to guns? It's not like the UK, to be sure ... but it's not *utterly unlike every other country* - surely? Or is it?

It is unlike, at least almost, every other country. We have certain segments of the population that are violent and indifferent to life. As a people in general we are more violent then you guys in the UK and it's not because of all the guns. I mean just look at the difference in our popular sports. We like football and you guys like footsie ball We like our guns and it's probably why there are 300 freaking million of them.

Lovemuffin, where I said that the USA is not like the UK, I hoped to impart that I did not think the USA was like the UK. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer in that respect, for feck's sake.

So, in what ways is the USA unlike *Australia*, for instance, when it comes to gun laws?

Or is your final sentence really what it's all about: "We like our guns and it's probably why there are 300 freaking million of them"?

I guess it must have been the part where you said "it's not *utterly unlike every other country* - Surey ? Or is it ? " that was a bit murky. I was just trying to clear it up.

Australia's gun laws are different in the fact that , for one thing, we don't have a ban in place on semi automatic firearms.

The 300 million guns was just the final sentence of that post but certainly not what it's all about. It's just something to think about.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 5:18:31 AM

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Whoops, I answered before your edit ....

Australia, K. Australia. Perhaps I should say it again, because Lovemuffin pretended not to see it either: I'm aware that the USA is not like Britain. And European countries are of a roughly similar size to the UK, and similarly densely-populated. So, yes, try Australia.

Whoops, I just saw this. Meanwhile, I re-edited the post to restore what you quoted and put the rest of the response in a different one. Ha! I guess we shouldn't count on winning any dance contests.

K.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 5:40:30 AM

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It's OK, K. Doesn't matter now.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 6:36:57 AM

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It is unlike, at least almost, every other country. We have certain segments of the population that are violent and indifferent to life.

OK, I give up. Americans are nastier than the peoples of other countries and *thats* why you need your guns. Strewth. I don't say it, but get accused of thinking it ... you - and I see a few others here, too - appear to embrace the view wholeheartedly.

I have a headache ....

Think how the rest of us feel trying to explain things to a citizen of a country known for its unique ability to ignore its own history when it comes to "colonial" rule.

I mean during the "Irish Potato Famine" the crown sent a man to help aid those starving who had the firm belief that god created the famine to punish the Irish who were inherently too lazy.

Of course, the other European colonial powers were not much better. On average I would say that Europeans were more akin to the Japanese when it came to dealing with conquered people.

Where as the US government held the same contempt for native Americans....

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 8:30:22 AM

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There ya go, glad to help.

Data from pew (right wing think tank) is always helpful to rightwing opinion.

You're making shit up again.

Although today the Pew Charitable Trusts is officially non-partisan and non-ideological... the modern day organization is considered to represent the far left on many issues

How many?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 8:35:44 AM

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Think how the rest of us feel trying to explain things to a citizen of a country known for its unique ability to ignore its own history when it comes to "colonial" rule.

You don't think amerikans have a short memory about our own imperial behavior?

I mean during the "Irish Potato Famine" the crown sent a man to help aid those starving who had the firm belief that god created the famine to punish the Irish who were inherently too lazy.

How many posters on these boards use the same rhetoric about the poor in amerika?

Of course, the other European colonial powers were not much better. On average I would say that Europeans were more akin to the Japanese when it came to dealing with conquered people.

Or perhaps the japanese are more akin to amerikans when it comes to dealing with conquored people.

Where as the US government held the same contempt for native Americans....

Did the u.s. govt have a similar comtempt for women and those of color?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 8:39:21 AM

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Well I see your point about contrast. But neither myself nor my neighbors are likely to be shot anytime soon, and if anyone tries they'll be lucky if they live to regret it.

It appears that you and your neighbors are all part of delta force and stand at the ready 24/7

Does it appear that way to you?

It would appear that way to anyone reading your boast.

What a colossal ass you must be!

If believing what you post makes one a colossal ass then perhaps we should invest a little less credence to your boast.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 8:57:40 AM

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Damn....quite the racist statement to make. If something happens that bad, blame the non-whites immediately and without evidence! Do you attend Klan Rallies? In each major riot, it did not matter the skin color of the person that owned the business; it was looted. People of each race had their businesses, homes, and even other property (e.g. cars) burned, looted, and demolished.

Quite the contrary you said that if the business owner shot a looter it would be about a white person shooting blacks, I was pointing out the racist attitude of yours that only white businessmen would be defending their property. You as always pretend I am saying the opposite of what I am.

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