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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:38:26 PM   
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I was moved by the NYT piece about the father who lost his daughter in the Virginia Tech massacre.

Will anything reverse the 33,000 gun deaths per year figure in the USA, or will the death-toll keep climbing?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 2:43:27 PM   
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Gotta say that whatever aversion I had for guns has been amplified since having a baby girl born into the family. I also have a harder time seeing violence on TV and reading the newspaper is more difficult.

I was moved by the NYT piece about the father who lost his daughter in the Virginia Tech massacre.

Will anything reverse the 33,000 gun deaths per year figure in the USA, or will the death-toll keep climbing?

Which could have been averted if the NCIC had worked like it is supposed to.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 3:25:06 PM   
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It would appear that way to anyone reading your boast.

Except that it wasn't a "boast" in the slightest; that's just another one of your projections.

Get help.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:04:58 PM   
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Apology accepted...n.p.
He was apologizing to me, not you.

Since we said the same thing it would follow that the apology was for us both.

Stef would buy it for me....well maybe not the first one but most likely the seccond one she found for $800
No, I wouldn't. Frankly, the thought of you with firearms is troubling, to say the least.


Why???I have not killed anyone in almost fifty years.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:09:56 PM   
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It would appear that way to anyone reading your boast.


Except that it wasn't a "boast" in the slightest; that's just another one of your projections.

How could anyone mistake this for a boast?

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But neither myself nor my neighbors are likely to be shot anytime soon, and if anyone tries they'll be lucky if they live to regret it.


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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:09:59 PM   
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Sorry, your right, if bought privatly in this state it would be legal,

Apology accepted...n.p.


but I wouldn't get a gun for him period.

Now wait a minute....you said you would not be interested in an automag for $800, I am and I am willing to pay a finders fee. What is your issue? Is this some religious thing because I am a heathen infidel?
Stef would buy it for me....well maybe not the first one but most likely the seccond one she found for $800



I wouldn't buy a gun for anyone else. I might tell them where they can get it bbut they are not using me as a middle man.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:11:35 PM   
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Apology accepted...n.p.

He was apologizing to me, not you.

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Stef would buy it for me....well maybe not the first one but most likely the seccond one she found for $800

No, I wouldn't. Frankly, the thought of you with firearms is troubling, to say the least.

I would rather he didn't have forks.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:15:26 PM   
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I wouldn't buy a gun for anyone else.

So your refusal was not personal because I am a heathen infidel?

I might tell them where they can get it bbut they are not using me as a middle man.

So you will hmu when you spot one of those mythical $800 automags? There was a gun show last weekend at the fairgrounds and there was one there....it only had one barrel (.357) but it went for 10 large.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:18:22 PM   
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I would rather he didn't have forks.


So you are ok with me having an automag and an xp100 in .220 swift but no forks?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:26:02 PM   
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I would rather he didn't have forks.


So you are ok with me having an automag and an xp100 in .220 swift but no forks?


I asked if you were willing to pay 4000 for an 800 gun you, not I brought up the automag. I couldn't justify spending 800 on any gun. I never said that I was ok with you having either the automag or the .220 swift. No you seem to hate everyone and every thing and I wouldn't like the idea of you being armed at all.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:29:42 PM   
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I would rather he didn't have forks.


So you are ok with me having an automag and an xp100 in .220 swift but no forks?


I asked if you were willing to pay 4000 for an 800 gun you, not I brought up the automag. I couldn't justify spending 800 on any gun. I never said that I was ok with you having either the automag or the .220 swift. No you seem to hate everyone and every thing and I wouldn't like the idea of you being armed at all.



So the second ammendment does not apply to me but only to punkassmotherfuckers you approve of?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 4:55:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I would rather he didn't have forks.


So you are ok with me having an automag and an xp100 in .220 swift but no forks?


I asked if you were willing to pay 4000 for an 800 gun you, not I brought up the automag. I couldn't justify spending 800 on any gun. I never said that I was ok with you having either the automag or the .220 swift. No you seem to hate everyone and every thing and I wouldn't like the idea of you being armed at all.



So the second ammendment does not apply to me but only to punkassmotherfuckers you approve of?

Sure it applies to you, I never said it didn't.
I didn't say you had no right to bear arms, I would just feel better if you didn't exersice it. The Reverand Wright has the freedom of speach, that doesn't mean I have to approve of what he says.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 5:22:16 PM   
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Gotta say that whatever aversion I had for guns has been amplified since having a baby girl born into the family. I also have a harder time seeing violence on TV and reading the newspaper is more difficult.

I was moved by the NYT piece about the father who lost his daughter in the Virginia Tech massacre.

Will anything reverse the 33,000 gun deaths per year figure in the USA, or will the death-toll keep climbing?


There might be:

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ORIGINAL: http://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/

That’s right. You’re not going to like it because it’s going to require you to do something personally, as opposed to shouting for the government, or anyone to "do something!"

You ready? Here it is:

"Notice those around you who seem isolated, and engage them."

If every one of us did this we’d have a culture that was deeply committed to ensuring no one was left lonely. And make no mistake, as I’ve written before loneliness is what causes these shooters to lash out. People with solid connections to other people don’t indiscriminately fire guns at strangers.

I know what you’re thinking. That’s never going to work because no one is going to make the effort to connect with the strange kid sitting by himself at lunch each day. No one is going to reach out to the gawky, awkward guy at work and ask him about his weekend.

You’re probably right and that’s an absolute shame.
...


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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 5:38:22 PM   
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I didn't say you had no right to bear arms, I would just feel better if you didn't exersice it.

Someone says you ought not to have a gun and you shit a purple cow. Yet you have no compunction about spouting the same.
What other reasons might preclude your aproval of my exercising my right to own a gun besides your percieved belief that I hate you and am a total misanstroph?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 6:23:58 PM   
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Sure it applies to you, I never said it didn't.
I didn't say you had no right to bear arms, I would just feel better if you didn't exersice it.

Someone says you ought not to have a gun and you shit a purple cow. Yet you have no compunction about spouting the same.
What other reasons might preclude your aproval of my exercising my right to own a gun besides your percieved belief that I hate you and am a total misanstroph?

That is enough. I don't like for people who have an extrme dislike for me to be armed. You are no threat to me personally but if you are as hateful in person as you are on here I would be concerned that someday Joether would use you as an example of why we need to "do something" to keep guns out of more peoples hands. And I would be concerned for the safty of those around you. Now you may use these threads to vent, and in person you could be the nicest, most contcientous person in the world, but that doesn't show here.
You will notice that often people declare that I shouldn't have a firearm because I don't believe in A B or C after I tell them I do A B and C. However if I don't follow their agenda I shouldn't have a gun. Far different situation.

Do you understand the difference between my saying I wouldn't be comfortable with you being armed and them saying that I am the kind of irresponsible lunatic who SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to have a fire arm?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 6:35:13 PM   
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Sure it applies to you, I never said it didn't.
I didn't say you had no right to bear arms, I would just feel better if you didn't exersice it.

Someone says you ought not to have a gun and you shit a purple cow. Yet you have no compunction about spouting the same.
What other reasons might preclude your aproval of my exercising my right to own a gun

I thought he said he'd rather you didn't have a fork.

K.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 6:35:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand that you, who claim to be an atheletic supporter of the second amendment, feel no compunction in stating that someone you have never met should not exercise his second amendment rights. Even for a fat guy you do not dance worth a shit. You have a case of the ass because I point out when you are full of shit. When you became impolite I followed suit. For no other reason than your personal hard-on you feel justified to pronounce who should and should not have a gun. Yes to say that someone should not exercise his rights is to say who should and should not be allowed to have a gun. The ironic part of this discussion is that you have no clue what sort of guns we are talking about.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 6:38:11 PM   
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I thought he said he'd rather you didn't have a fork.

Auto mag,xp100,fork...hmmmmI dunno...I will have to ask what else is on the list?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 7:12:23 PM   
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I understand that you, who claim to be an atheletic supporter of the second amendment, feel no compunction in stating that someone you have never met should not exercise his second amendment rights. Even for a fat guy you do not dance worth a shit. You have a case of the ass because I point out when you are full of shit. When you became impolite I followed suit. For no other reason than your personal hard-on you feel justified to pronounce who should and should not have a gun. Yes to say that someone should not exercise his rights is to say who should and should not be allowed to have a gun. The ironic part of this discussion is that you have no clue what sort of guns we are talking about.

You are so rude you don't even know when you are being rude, only when people are rude to you. You set the tone the rest of us respond in kind. I noticed that you ignored that I said you could be a completly different person in person than you are here. All I have to go on is the bitter hateful person you protray here. I don't have to be familiar with the automag to say I wouldn't pay 800 for one, none of my firearms cost nearly that much. Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything about every thing.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/16/2015 7:52:51 PM   
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You are so rude you don't even know when you are being rude, only when people are rude to you. You set the tone the rest of us respond in kind.


Look around... there are people on this board I converse with in a civil manner even though we disagree. I give what I get. Your presumptious arrogance cuts no ice with me. You talk shit about history and when it is pointed out to you that you are historically incorrect you cop an attitude. You constantly snivle about how your white priviledge is being eroded away as if it were something you were entitled to.


I noticed that you ignored that I said you could be a completly different person in person than you are here.


Please pay attention: This is who I am. If you act like a dick to me I will act like a dick right back to you. If you speak to me like a civlilized human being I will treat you the same.


I don't have to be familiar with the automag to say I wouldn't pay 800 for one, none of my firearms cost nearly that much.

It is a pretty rare piece that sold wholesale for a couple of hundred dollars forty years ago. At that time the company that made them lost about a thousand dollars a copy. There are only a few thousand in the whole world.(what do you figure inflation is for 40 years?)
You have to make your own ammo(sightly modified 30:06). It is not difficult but you have to do it yourself. The weapon itself is a pos. It has every design flaw known to exist in a prototype. It is a "rube-goldburg" device that is just a half click short of awesome.


Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything about every thing.

I do not claim to know everything about everything what I do is to try not open my mouth until I am sure of my facts. I try to find sources for my data in someplace other than my asshole.


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