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You cant understand the "gun" culture in the US, then the image and the history behind it should help.
If it doesnt how about this fact.
1) Initially stuff like axes, shovels etc were not allowed to be made in the colonies, they had to be imported from the mother country.
Bullshit, no such law was enforced
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King George and the government decided to tax the shit out of the colonies and not give the colonists the right to protest or even speak against the acts before the laws were passed.
The tax laws passed were due to the high cost of the Seven Years War which kept the French from taking over the colonies.
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3) Crown troops were placed in homes of colonists without pay and were expected to be fed and cared for because they were crown troops.
Again, due to the Seven Years War
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4) Due process in the original colonies was something that just didnt happen. If you disagreed with something, the crown authorities could throw your ass in jail and forget you.
Care to point out some evidence for this claim, as far as I am aware nobody was ever transported to England afor teial and naval Courts only applied to smugglers.
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5) Resources, wood, crops etc were subject to being taken by the crown with no, repeat no, compensation. For example, during the colonial era, wood for the Royal Navy Ships came from the colonies, and after being cut, the royal agents could just come in, take the wood that some poor shit for brains colonist had just busted his ass to get, and not pay for it, and why, because the king needed, wanted or just for the hell of it.
Something else I would love to see evidence of. Although the irony of what happened to the rest of America after 1776 needs to be apreciated, since you are all pissy about taking other peoples things.
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In other words, the colonists got tired of getting fucked without a kiss, said fuck you and your royal horse that you rode in on, and after the red coats attempted to take the arms of the local militia (formed at the behest of the Royal governor) we decided to use those nice crosses on red coats where the two belts worn by British soldiers for target practice.
In other words, it was every day Americans tired of the bullshit that took up their arms against a tyrannical government and with some help from the French sent them packing.
After that, it became a major part of our culture, simply because it was private guns that won our Freedom, a hundred plus years before any other British colony figured out that, all things being equal, they werent.
We learn about the minute men and American Revolution, the Declaration of Independence etc at a very young age, and whether the American Liberals like it or not, that was because of private gun ownership. We learned why we were able to do it, how we did it, and how we had to fight the freaking British again in 1812 because they decided they could conscript American Sailors into the British Navy to fight the French.
The fact that in 1812, there really was not a standing American Army, it fell once more to private citizens with guns to fight for the freedoms of Americans both here and at sea.
So basically, it pretty much falls to the fact that for the first part of our history, it was private citizens who stood up and told the British Crown to take a flying leap at a rolling donut and get fucked.
Adding to that was the fact that as the settlers moved west, it became once more clear, that they were going to have to depend on themselves and their own guns for protection. Even after the law caught up with settlers, especially in the Southwest there were gangs of bandits who would dash across the border raiding ranches and towns, and the army was too few and too far in between to do much good.
That little fact is true even in the 20th century, i.e. Pancho Villa.
Now, if, in an effort to understand the culture behind gun ownership, folks would study history, they might have gotten a clue.
Then there are non american posters on these boards that insist that we are doing it wrong and should do it the way their country did it, thus the "holier than thou" attitude, completely forgetting that the under their laws, 90 percent of the population would not qualify for a pop gun.
Of course, one country has even outlawed the private ownership of swords.
You want to understand the culture, look at our history and what it was that the private ownership of guns gained the country as a whole.
As for brand names, "Peacemaker" was not a brand, but a model, manufactured by Colt and introduced as a fire arm for law enforcement. The poster who made the brand name statement could use a bit of a history lesson in capitalism, and marketing.
I really cant be arsed with the rest of your post, but it is interesting you piss and moan about the War of 1812, given you declared war on us and not the other way round.
couple things, the reason there was imports from Britain of such things as axes and shovels and whatnot, is that one, they sold us stuff because that was what they did, and our industries were not numerous in those days, we were an agrarian (planting) society.
Two, anywhere you use colonies (Not you, Mr. Thatcher, the yank) our bitch was that we (the us) did not have representation directly in Parliament. We had 'friends' in Parliament, William Pitt but we felt that we were being treated differently than other colonists as well, the stamp act was never promulgated to other colonies, ie. Canada......another player in those wars). WE felt we were Englishmen, you see, and entitled to the same rights of representation. NOT virtual representation. Now, we weren't Canadians, we weren't Indians and so on...........
Well, thats enough. That other crap is mostly if not entirely wrong.
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