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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/1/2015 8:40:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Just because I don't have a flesh and blood penis doesn't mean I get a free ride. I can be just as guilty as you. Just as much to blame if a sexual encounter goes bad as you. Granted, statistically, I'm less likely to go to jail as you but that's due to other factors in various ways.

Some of us try to even the playing field by upholding the same responsibility in the bedroom. At some level, we are engaging with the same risk.

Not as far as the law is concerned. And that's the critical issue. There's a marked gender disparity in arrests, convictions and sentencing. Female perpetrators are far less likely to be arrested, far less likely to be convicted and they're given far more lenient sentences when they are.

There's an inbuilt urge in the majority of men to protect women - for various reasons. For a lot of the male feminists and social justice warriors, this urge to protect is borne out of the belief that doing so helps their chances of getting laid.

(Of course, they're not honest with themselves about this belief. It's buried deep inside their psyche where they'll never have to confront it directly. And they hate the men who might force them to try and look at themselves with honesty.)

For others, it's a belief in - ironically - gender roles. That men's role is to protect women. And the irony of that, is that feminists have no problem exploiting that when it suits their agenda.

In contrast, women tend to suffer from a phenomenon called "own group preference". That is, all else being equal, a woman is more likely to support a fellow woman, just because of her shared gender. Consequently, women - and the feminists are the worst at exhibiting this trait - also tend to try and protect women, especially in any conflict involving a man.

Men don't exhibit that outside of tribal/brotherhood alliances such as sports teams.

What this adds up to is an implicit bias in law enforcement, prosecution and sentencing. And that's not going away any time soon.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/1/2015 8:48:44 AM   
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Heck, I want to just have a chance quite frankly, but am I entitled to one...I guess it boils down to the individual to grant that.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/1/2015 6:35:21 PM   
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Uggh. Amateurish and predictable.

Mentioning Nick is a poor attempt to tar me through association. I can only presume your affiliations with radical feminists who write screeds about aborting their babies because they're male has warped your psyche to the point where you reason has deserted you.

The insinuation was that birds of a feather flock together, and it was not lost upon you.
I wasn't dredging either, I should add, because he has an active thread going. Both you and he go around blaming women for your woes, the woes of being born and brought up as a male in Western cultures. Neither one of you realizes just how fortunate you are to have escaped the hefty burden of Third-World country firstborn (and then so on down the line) male duty and responsibility to provide for your family members, and to unconditionally support your clan.

And your presumption about me is dead wrong.
Quite frankly, all of your (plural) anti-feminist rhetoric holds no water when you can talk the rubbishy talk, but don't have to walk the walk. Why? Because Western males have been absolved of their traditional "patriarchal" responsibilities as heads of (extended) households, thanks to the equal [gender] rights movements or what you so commonly refer to as feminism.

You consistently reap the rewards of having a working, income-producing female partner, of not sharing equally in routinely performing household duties and/or childrearing division of labor as either party's schedule allows, etc., etc., and yet what of recognizable value and merit have you sown as a countermeasure to these benefits that the greater majority of men all over the world get to enjoy?

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It's somewhat boring to see you follow the predictable and well-worn paths of your gender. You make the mistake of assuming your approbation is somehow meaningful to me. I assure you, it is not. It follows, therefore that your condemnation is also, similarly, meaningless.

Well, since I'm not here to entertain you or anybody else, that's fine by me. I know full well that whatever I had to say would fall upon deaf ears; therefore, it was not intended for your benefit.

However, please don't paint me with a brush of which you know nothing. If I have made misassumptions on your part (you went to work at 12 and supported your entire family, including a widowed mother, and helped put your sisters & brothers through school in addition to yourself, for example, like my own father did -- only he had started at the age of 10; so yes, I was blessed to have been raised by a "real" self-made man of leadership who shared absolutely everything he had with his wife and family, whom he always put first before his own self-interests), then I will give you credit if and where credit is due.
I be fair like dat.

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This tendency to put forward your own personal desires in a man as some goal that others should strive to achieve is amusing. Women almost invariably don't know what they want. They tend to publicly declaim a self-aggrandizing set of requirements based more on satisfying their ego than anything else. The number of women who truly know and are sufficiently honest with themselves to actually understand what they want is vanishingly small.

Again, you don't know me, so I will take this as a general statement pertaining to all women without virtue of exception.
Many people "almost invariably don't know what they want." To want is to lack. I do believe that most people are fundamentally aware of what they lack, although they may confuse wants with needs. The topic of another discussion, perhaps.
What you are referring to is indecisiveness, not normally one of my personality traits. I am decisive and exacting, so none of what you've stated applies to me as a woman.

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As I keep telling the mens: ignore what women say and watch what they do. Honestly and intelligence are a rare combination in a woman, which is why I married Kaliko.

Congratulations are in order. Wishing you both find marital bliss together, in all sincerity.

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You? I'm afraid you wouldn't even get to first base. I find you.... lacking.

Nor would you. If there were negative-integer bases, that's where those - no matter what gender - who exhibit combative behaviors and megalo-/egomaniacal tendencies would get rounded up and relegated to (in a mental cage).

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/1/2015 7:55:44 PM   
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For instance, why do you guys call it a napkin instead of a serviette?

That's what Miss Manners says to call it. Less pretentious.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/1/2015 8:18:51 PM   
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For instance, why do you guys call it a napkin instead of a serviette?

That's what Miss Manners says to call it. Less pretentious.

Same with comforter instead of duvét. Unless you're French, then thoroughly appropriate.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/2/2015 12:29:15 AM   
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This is not actually true.
Oh, I'm afraid it is.


No, it's actually not. If you extended your research beyond MRA websites you'd see how the views of a tiny minority of the feminist movement have been taken, dishonestly amplified, and equally dishonestly applied to the movement as a whole.

This may be ground-breaking for you, but you're actually, as a matter of proper fact, wrong on this
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There is a very small, fringe, component of the feminist movement that believed that.
Wrong. It is one of the underlying assumptions behind the hysterical promulgation of the "rape culture" myth which has gained an incredible amount of traction in the US.


Again, I'm afraid you need to broaden your research. While I have to agree with you that there is indeed an element of hysteria surrounding Rape culture, it is not a "myth". Rape culture is a real topic, not a mythical one. It is an important topic that is filled with active and passionate debate. Are "myths" introduced into discussions about rape culture? Sure. But rape culture itself is less a "thing" to be deemed mythical or not, but an important area of debate and thought.

Again though, "all sex is rape" is not one of the underlying assumptions behind rape culture, so you're wrong again. The underlying assumption that drives the debate around rape culture is the question of whether our culture has resulted in a level of gender inequality that affects the way people feel about rape.

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Of course, it's picked up and clung to by men who are afraid of equality and used as a standard around which they and their loser friends can rally.

Oh, little man - do you seriously think your pathetic attempts at snark do anything other than amuse me? You are so precious!

Bless.


Ouchies! Does the cap fit?

It's ok to be angry and upset when you're forced to confront these things, and I don't mind at all if you want to "act out" a little bit, it might be helpful to you.

I can honestly assure you that this is a general view I hold, and not one that is directed specifically at you, but as it seems to have touched a nerve, I do hope you'll reflect a little.

Since you've obviously been upset by the comment, perhaps you might ask yourself "What does a strong man have to fear from gender equality?" followed by "Would a strong man cling to patriarchy, or is that something that only weak and pitiful men do?"



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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/2/2015 11:03:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The insinuation was that birds of a feather flock together, and it was not lost upon you.
I wasn't dredging either, I should add, because he has an active thread going. Both you and he go around blaming women for your woes, the woes of being born and brought up as a male in Western cultures. Neither one of you realizes just how fortunate you are to have escaped the hefty burden of Third-World country firstborn (and then so on down the line) male duty and responsibility to provide for your family members, and to unconditionally support your clan.
This is ironic considering the over-privileged entitlement mentality of women such as yourself. What I find truly ironic is the way in which such women who possess a non-existent sense of responsibility and an overblown sense of entitlement attempt to use third-world women as a justification for the extension of their privileges.

Your problem is an inability to cope with reality. Your tendency to dismiss the male experience as one of privilege is simply a reflection of your lack of ability. You lack the faculties to perceive reality from any viewpoint outside of your own limited experience.

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And your presumption about me is dead wrong.


No, not at all. I've pretty much got you dead to rights. You suffer the standard self-delusion and self-absorption, nothing more.

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Quite frankly, all of your (plural) anti-feminist rhetoric holds no water when you can talk the rubbishy talk, but don't have to walk the walk. Why? Because Western males have been absolved of their traditional "patriarchal" responsibilities as heads of (extended) households, thanks to the equal [gender] rights movements or what you so commonly refer to as feminism.
Spoken like a true entitled Western feminist whose horizon fails to extend beyond her own sense of victim-hood. You want to be men, then expect men to continue to provide you with the advantages you accrued under a patriarchal system. Considerable advantages I might add.

If you don't like having lost the advantages which women formerly possessed, I suggest you join one of the various MRA variants and start to work toward a society which values gender differences.

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You consistently reap the rewards of having a working, income-producing female partner, of not sharing equally in routinely performing household duties and/or childrearing division of labor as either party's schedule allows, etc., etc., and yet what of recognizable value and merit have you sown as a countermeasure to these benefits that the greater majority of men all over the world get to enjoy?


You're not only laughably ignorant, you appear to be incapable of reason.

There has not been a single advantage to having a "working, income-producing female partner". None. The influx of women into the labour market simply caused wages to drop and the net income for families in real terms has actually dropped relative to pre-World War II.

Rather, the disruption to the labour market simply meant corporations could exploit two individuals instead of one and the opportunities for children to be given full-time parenting simply dropped through the floor.

You wish to reap the rewards of perpetually playing the victim while simultaneously attempting to cling to those privileges you formerly enjoyed. What are you? A woman who's taken care of her family? Or merely an entitled leech who wants either the government or a man to pay for her every expenditure?

On the contrary, men (representing most of the tax contributors) are now paying for women en masse (as women represent most of the tax burden on society). Men work longer hours in more dangerous occupations and not only are women draining the collective societal purse with their constant demands for free stuff, they're also claiming a gender wage gap despite NOT working the same hours, lacking the same level of experience and also NOT working in the same dangerous jobs.

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Well, since I'm not here to entertain you or anybody else, that's fine by me. I know full well that whatever I had to say would fall upon deaf ears; therefore, it was not intended for your benefit.
No, it was intended for yours. Women like to pretend they possess sexual power, even when they don't.

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However, please don't paint me with a brush of which you know nothing.
The mistake you make is to think you can't be perceived with any degree of accuracy. On the contrary, you condemn yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Again, you don't know me, so I will take this as a general statement pertaining to all women without virtue of exception.
Is English your second language? What does the phrase "almost invariably" mean to you? You appear to be having trouble following the conversation.

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Many people "almost invariably don't know what they want." To want is to lack.
No. To want is to desire. Again with the comprehension problem.

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I do believe that most people are fundamentally aware of what they lack, although they may confuse wants with needs. The topic of another discussion, perhaps. What you are referring to is indecisiveness, not normally one of my personality traits. I am decisive and exacting, so none of what you've stated applies to me as a woman.
No, I'm referring to a lack of awareness. A tendency toward self-deception. Know thyself.

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Nor would you. If there were negative-integer bases, that's where those - no matter what gender - who exhibit combative behaviors and megalo-/egomaniacal tendencies would get rounded up and relegated to (in a mental cage).
I'm merely pointing out that your assumption that I give a flying fuck whether or not you desire me is ludicrously misplaced. And yet you feel the need to restate it.

There's no upside for you here. The more you attempt to try and disqualify me, the more ludicrous your stance appears. I'm simply not interested, so why do you feel the need to reiterate your own claimed disinterest.

Honestly, I find it difficult to fathom why you fail to understand your complete transparency.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/2/2015 11:27:38 AM   
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No, it's actually not. If you extended your research beyond MRA websites you'd see how the views of a tiny minority of the feminist movement have been taken, dishonestly amplified, and equally dishonestly applied to the movement as a whole.
Oh do stop. You know you're lying. I realise feminism is 98% narrative and 2% fact, but you're becoming ridiculous.

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Again, I'm afraid you need to broaden your research. While I have to agree with you that there is indeed an element of hysteria surrounding Rape culture, it is not a "myth". Rape culture is a real topic, not a mythical one. It is an important topic that is filled with active and passionate debate. Are "myths" introduced into discussions about rape culture? Sure. But rape culture itself is less a "thing" to be deemed mythical or not, but an important area of debate and thought.
Really? Explain to me the cultural aspects of our society which say it's okay for women to be raped. Shouldn't take you long, what with rape culture being real and all.

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Again though, "all sex is rape" is not one of the underlying assumptions behind rape culture, so you're wrong again. The underlying assumption that drives the debate around rape culture is the question of whether our culture has resulted in a level of gender inequality that affects the way people feel about rape.
Honestly, this comprehension problem is becoming *fucking* irritating. Do you ever pay attention to anything anyone says or do you just make it all up in your head?

I never said the problem was "all sex is rape". I very clearly stated that there's a significant component of the feminist movement which believes any attempt by a man to SEDUCE a woman is tantamount to coercion and should therefore be considered rape. That the only standard for acceptable sexual intercourse is a constant stream of begging for permission (by the man of course) to which the woman must respond with ENTHUSIASTIC consent all throughout the act of sex, otherwise it's coercion and he is guilty of rape.

This is not a fringe idea. It is the underlying mechanic behind all of the "consent education" courses which men at college campuses are now being forced to endure. Because, y'know, only men rape and it's like 20% of us because 1 in 5 women get raped. Yeah. A set of "facts" which have no evidence-base whatsoever, but let us remember: With feminism, dogma is more important than facts. ALL HAIL THE NARRATIVE!

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Ouchies! Does the cap fit?

It's ok to be angry and upset when you're forced to confront these things, and I don't mind at all if you want to "act out" a little bit, it might be helpful to you.
You're like a little yapping dog that tries to bite at me and then runs away and hides behind mommy moderator when I slap you down. Irritating with your constant yapping, but not something to be taken seriously.

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Since you've obviously been upset by the comment, perhaps you might ask yourself "What does a strong man have to fear from gender equality?" followed by "Would a strong man cling to patriarchy, or is that something that only weak and pitiful men do?"
I believe that part of the problem here is that your own manhood is so compromised, you can't even begin to understand your opponents.

There's several problems with your viewpoint.

First off, feminism isn't about gender equality. Feminism is about whatever changes its proponents effect in society. The tendency to cling to a dictionary definition while ignoring the real effect of feminism is just rank, intellectual dishonesty.

Second, gender equality is a chimera. It doesn't exist. Men are never going to possess the advantages which women, by virtue of their gender, possess. Men and women are complements (well, except the for the androgynous, but nobody can save those poor fuckers.

Feminism proceeds from faulty assumptions (patriarchy theory) and then proceeds to ignore all counter-evidence which contradicts the narrative. There is no evidence which justifies the view that men and women are exactly the same except for genitalia. Likewise, the view that gender is socially constructed also has significant evidence to the contrary.

Your problem is that you feed yourself a bunch of stories about people with whom you disagree. It never occurs to you that their belief system could be more complex or nuanced than the simplistic role inside your head that you try and insist they play. You - and indeed pretty much all social justice warriors - insist that women who don't believe in feminism are suffering from internalised misogyny, while men who don't are patriarchal chauvinists clinging to a world of privilege.

It is an astonishingly arrogant, insular and - most of all - ignorant view. Some people just don't believe feminism's axioms. Some people are just more educated about the differences between men and women than you are. Some people understand that each gender has advantages and disadvantages and that - not only is there nothing wrong with that - but that sexual dimorphism is an advantage.

Some people regard evidence as more important than a narrative.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/3/2015 12:38:42 AM   
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[blah blah blah]
Some people just don't believe anti-feminism's axioms. Some people are just more educated about the differences between men and women than you are. Some people understand that each gender has advantages and disadvantages and that - not only is there nothing wrong with that - but that sexual dimorphism is an advantage.

Some people regard evidence as more important than a narrative.

There, fixed it for ya. For the record, for anyone who has ears to hear, I don't dispute the validity of sexual dimorphism, never have. Equal is not the same. A positive charge that is equal to a negative charge is not the same; it operates on diametrically complementary principles. Neither polarity is superior or inferior to the other. Conscientious parents try to love their children in equal measure, but it is virtually impossible to treat each one exactly the same way as if they were clones.

You disregard narrative because you don't see people as individuals, do you? The exact same accusation you seem to be making about all the subversive feminists you imagine are lurking in every corner of your life. You have no compunction about spouting off your biased, prejudicial thought processes as if they were gospel. Without justification, you spuriously lump everybody together who doesn't espouse the same dogma that you do as being THE enemy -- the exact same thing you accuse feminists of doing.

The Cherry-Picked Gospel According to Mr. Hyde.

If I believed for one moment that there was a modicum of reason underlying these lambasts of yours, I might be able to take you seriously, but your canned responses and insult-hurling ad hominems are as predictable as a broken record.

The fact that our disinterest is mutual doesn't mean that I don't get to speak my piece. You attempt to hide yourself behind smoke and mirrors, only it is you who fail to understand your complete transparency as a lost cause.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
To want is to desire.

One desires to have what one lacks. If you have just stuffed yourself with a huge helping of cake, you don't want or desire any more cake. You have not lacked having cake to eat.
Once you are satiated, you don't want or desire more of something until you haven't had it for a spell, however long that intermission might last.
Your cup has been filled. You do not lack.
It has been said that when one has want [lack], then one can feel in need, and this is how wants and needs get mixed up.
You want more cake again. You don't need more cake. Not unless you're addicted to chocolaty-sugary dessert treats, and then that addiction registers to your system as a need you cannot live without.

Now, you can play all the little word games you like, but when you spoke of "almost invariably" you meant everybody on this planet except you and anyone who is just like you -- which might be you and two other people. Out of over 7 billion people on this planet, that percentage is astronomically miniscule. You were allowing yourself alone as THE exception above almost invariably all others. Since you are a man and anyone just like you would also be male, then you had already excluded women categorically.

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Women like to pretend they possess sexual power, even when they don't.

We don't have to pretend to have what we already know we have. Women don't have a monopoly on this either.
At a chemical level, both males and females emit pheromones. We get imprinted with the sexual template of what we want[lack]/desire in our mates, and what we need in a partner.
You are fighting a losing battle if you choose to diminish the effect that a woman's sexuality can have on you, that one special woman whose raw feminine sexuality you desire.

Nevertheless, I am a romanticist, and I'm rooting for Beauty to inevitably prevail over the Beast with the power of love before his bitter heart poisons hers.

DreamLady

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 5:54:25 AM   
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For the record, for anyone who has ears to hear, I don't dispute the validity of sexual dimorphism, never have. Equal is not the same. A positive charge that is equal to a negative charge is not the same; it operates on diametrically complementary principles. Neither polarity is superior or inferior to the other. Conscientious parents try to love their children in equal measure, but it is virtually impossible to treat each one exactly the same way as if they were clones.
A corollary to sexual dimorphism is the gender-based division of labour. The understanding that each gender has biologically-founded advantages which render them more effective in certain arenas. Once you accept this, all the nonsense about the gender pay gap and the glass ceiling starts to look pretty fucking stupid.

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You disregard narrative because you don't see people as individuals, do you?
What the fuck are you talking about? When I speak of the feminist narrative I speak of the story which feminism keeps trying to tell despite all evidence to the contrary. Feminism is fundamentally a triumph of feeling over logic, where subjective viewpoint is given priority over evidence, reason and science.

It's feminists who have declared Newton's Principia Mathematica a "rape manual", who ignore decades of intimate partner violence statistics, who apparently can't do the basic math necessary to debunk the "gender wage gap". Honestly, one of the chief problems with feminism is that it requires you to turn off your brain and swallow the most inane stupidity. I cannot understand why any woman with a brain would want to do that.

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The exact same accusation you seem to be making about all the subversive feminists you imagine are lurking in every corner of your life.
Don't be stupid. There are no feminists lurking in any part of my life. If they try and engage me, I make their head explode by debunking their bullshit. They are almost invariably poor thinkers.

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You have no compunction about spouting off your biased, prejudicial thought processes as if they were gospel.
I'm smarter and better informed than you, so why on earth would I be shy about what I believe. Besides, it's not exactly as though you're brimming with objective, unprejudiced thoughts of your own, are you. Are you trying to bring me down to your level by accusing me of being like you in some way?

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Without justification, you spuriously lump everybody together who doesn't espouse the same dogma that you do as being THE enemy -- the exact same thing you accuse feminists of doing.
No, what feminists attempt to do is demonise men as "the other", a psychological shift which enables them to subsequently talk about men like they're not human - thus justifying all sorts of vile behaviour. In contrasts I tend to regard feminists as either uneducated, dishonest or just plain stupid.

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The Cherry-Picked Gospel According to Mr. Hyde.
You know, it's hard to take a woman seriously when she's being this histrionic.

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If I believed for one moment that there was a modicum of reason underlying these lambasts of yours, I might be able to take you seriously, but your canned responses and insult-hurling ad hominems are as predictable as a broken record.
Why on earth would anyone care what you believe? You're clearly a rather workmanlike thinker and much of this discussion appears to be very much beyond your ken.

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The fact that our disinterest is mutual doesn't mean that I don't get to speak my piece.
Oh stop! *laugh* This is not about you speaking your piece. It's about you following your biological programming and attempting to wound a man's reputation by declaiming your lack of interest in him. Aside from the fact that this is a basic tribal strategy which is ineffective in large groups, it's a waste of time when that man already has options.

I mean seriously, whenever do you see a man arguing with a woman suddenly throw his lack of sexual interest in her into the conversation? "Well I don't want you anyway!". This is a biological impulse which only women try to employ. In your case it is ludicrously misplaced.

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You attempt to hide yourself behind smoke and mirrors, only it is you who fail to understand your complete transparency as a lost cause.[/color]
Smoke and mirrors? Ye Gods woman, now you're just trotting out standard lines hoping to score a hit. If anything, I'm pretty fucking blatant about what I believe. Smoke and mirrors would be the male feminist trying to white knight the feminist cause in the hopes of getting pussy.

Smoke and mirrors indeed. You mock yourself.


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Now, you can play all the little word games you like,
Wait, I'm the one playing word games? You're the one using your cake obsession to demonstrate your misunderstanding of the word "want".

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but when you spoke of "almost invariably" you meant everybody on this planet except you and anyone who is just like you
There's that comprehension problem again. Since I was speaking about women, it implies all the women on the planet - excluding the exceptions.

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-- which might be you and two other people. Out of over 7 billion people on this planet, that percentage is astronomically miniscule. You were allowing yourself alone as THE exception above almost invariably all others. Since you are a man and anyone just like you would also be male, then you had already excluded women categorically.
Christ, you're confused. First you say I meant everyone except myself and two others, then you say I'm excluding women categorically. This, despite the fact that I was specifically speaking about women in the first place.

To say you're having trouble following the conversation is being far too kind.

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Women like to pretend they possess sexual power, even when they don't.

We don't have to pretend to have what we already know we have.
No, you have to pretend to have what you don't. Otherwise it's not pretending. Duh.

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At a chemical level, both males and females emit pheromones. We get imprinted with the sexual template of what we want[lack]/desire in our mates, and what we need in a partner.
You've been reading too much science fiction.

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You are fighting a losing battle if you choose to diminish the effect that a woman's sexuality can have on you, that one special woman whose raw feminine sexuality you desire.
I'm afraid that's where you're just fooling yourself. There is no "one special woman". That's a fantasy that women like to cling to, more than anything else. There are multitudes of available women out there, so when it comes to sexual choice, the strong man has options. And one thing which options gives you is an indifference to opprobrium of any particular woman.

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Nevertheless, I am a romanticist, and I'm rooting for Beauty to inevitably prevail over the Beast with the power of love before his bitter heart poisons hers.
The Power of Love? Who are you, Huey Lewis? You've obviously been reading far too many romance novels.



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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 8:14:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		The rest of your moronic drivel merely serves to highlight your ignorance as a fully grown man. Grown, but yet to reach maturity.
This, however, I find disturbing enough to comment upon, given that you presume to consider yourself a red-blooded, completely heterosexual male.
(If you didn't, then not an issue of concern.)

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You are fighting a losing battle if you choose to diminish the effect that a woman's sexuality can have on you, that one special woman whose raw feminine sexuality you desire.

I'm afraid that's where you're just fooling yourself. There is no "one special woman". That's a fantasy that women like to cling to, more than anything else. There are multitudes of available women out there, so when it comes to sexual choice, the strong man has options. And one thing which options gives you is an indifference to opprobrium of any particular woman.

Unbelievable, that you could speak this way publically when you've just recently celebrated your nuptials.

Getting cabin fever so soon up there in those mountains, whilst snowed in your sweet bride's home in this new country of ours you've immigrated into, I would hope would not be the case. Because whether or not I or any other woman is fooling herself, is going to be the very least of your worries, my cake-eating gourmand.

DreamLady

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 8:35:22 AM   
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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 8:37:49 AM   
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Are the forums always like this?

Like what exactly???

Take a browse.... have a look. Plenty to choose from.
That's what they are there for.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 8:41:48 AM   
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Are the forums always like this?

Like what exactly???

Take a browse.... have a look. Plenty to choose from.
That's what they are there for.

I was referring to the mellow-dramatic faggotry.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 9:19:55 AM   
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And every forum is different too.

It takes all sorts.
And we like the diversity even if we don't always like the subject much.


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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 9:26:19 AM   
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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 9:26:50 AM   
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The rest of your moronic drivel merely serves to highlight your ignorance as a fully grown man. Grown, but yet to reach maturity.
This, however, I find disturbing enough to comment upon, given that you presume to consider yourself a red-blooded, completely heterosexual male.
(If you didn't, then not an issue of concern.)
Hark! I hear the cry of the defeated! I graciously accept your surrender.

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Unbelievable, that you could speak this way publically when you've just recently celebrated your nuptials.
Oh, I think you'll find Kaliko is a much less fragile woman than yourself. She has no need to tell herself fairy-tales - she's pretty happy with who she is.

In fact, this is kind of a favourite of ours, which pretty much sums up her high confidence level relative to yours: https://youtu.be/Zn6gV2sdl38

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Getting cabin fever so soon up there in those mountains, whilst snowed in your sweet bride's home in this new country of ours you've immigrated into, I would hope would not be the case. Because whether or not I or any other woman is fooling herself, is going to be the very least of your worries, my cake-eating gourmand.
No mountains, no cabin and no snow. And I don't eat cake. I leave that to you, m'dear. I have no doubt your obsession with cake is at an all time high.


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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 11:10:47 AM   
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Not sure what threatens these people so much.

Sure men get the rough end of some deals, and these things can be significant, but radical feminists are just not taking over the world. Men are in most positions of power and enjoy most of the economic advantages. The fact that some men in some situations are discriminated against does not change that.

And taking some of the more extravagant ideas of some feminists and using them as sticks to beat everyone else with is no more valid with respect to feminism than using Stalin's purges as a sensible critique of western European democratic socialism.

More worryingly more often than not MRA type arguments sound less like a considered response to radical feminist positions and more like an attack on any woman who gets in the way by standing up for herself. Such women (let's face it most women in this regard) are then accused of having whatever extreme or indefensible position the "real" man can find for them. Often it just reads like an over-entitled schoolboy, upset cos girls have been allowed in the tuck shop and now he's taking the fact he's not special out on everybody else.

There's also often the reference to the great female proponents of men's rights, most of whom appear to know their place and let their man speak for them.

Anyway back to topic, for all the complexities, blaming it on different generations, national cultures or minority groups, there's nobody does a better impression of feeling entitled than complacent, middle aged, middle to upper class affluent men, who are convinced that anyone less well off than them doesn't deserve a decent living.

And these are the people who have ruled the world for years.

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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 11:12:50 AM   
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I'm afraid that's where you're just fooling yourself. There is no "one special woman". That's a fantasy that women like to cling to, more than anything else. There are multitudes of available women out there, so when it comes to sexual choice, the strong man has options. And one thing which options gives you is an indifference to opprobrium of any particular woman.

Unbelievable, that you could speak this way publically when you've just recently celebrated your nuptials.

Getting cabin fever so soon up there in those mountains, whilst snowed in your sweet bride's home in this new country of ours you've immigrated into, I would hope would not be the case. Because whether or not I or any other woman is fooling herself, is going to be the very least of your worries, my cake-eating gourmand.



Djeezus, you realize the concept of poly, and people's ability to be interested in a variety of partners, for a variety of reasons, is well accepted in the kink community right?

"Till death do us part no matter what" or "One True love for everybody" aren't myths that everybody here ascribes to.

Hell, if it wasn't for immigration purposes, I wouldn't be married myself, as the concept of "everlasting love no matter what" is as idiotic as anything else the Catholic church ever invented.



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RE: People Are Entitled? - 11/4/2015 11:22:36 AM   
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No point in men holding on to what they think they have, or returning to some fabled past when they were less troubled about feminism. Rigid gender roles and lack of equal opportunity damage men as well as women.

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