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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/30/2015 2:54:06 AM   
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You want a rational, intelligent, an educated answer? Or the conservative/paranoid answer?


youre a loathsome embarrassing partisan hack and what I would want, for once, on anything, is a straight up answer without some lame attempt to besmirch "rational, intelligent, an educated" people just because they are conservative and happen to disagree with you.



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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/30/2015 2:55:10 AM   
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Am I the only one who's not wild about either drones' potentially spying on ordinary people or folks' shooting stuff out of the sky?


Nope, you're not.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/30/2015 12:13:48 PM   
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Only for reasons of noise... I already listed noise and nuisance laws as acceptable to the FAA... These however only apply through city or state regulations... nothing of the sort applies in this case.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/30/2015 12:55:48 PM   
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Am I the only one who's not wild about either drones' potentially spying on ordinary people or folks' shooting stuff out of the sky?


Nope, you're not.


agreed, and it doesn't make you all, or me, "conservative/paranoid"

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 4:23:44 AM   
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Acquitted as sending a drone at low altitude over private property is an invasion of privacy.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/30354128/judge-dismisses-charges-for-man-who-shot-down-drone



Now the DRONE Owner can go to civil court... remember the former football hero, who won in criminal but than lost his pants in civil? lol

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 2:32:18 PM   
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Interpretations.... the FAA reg on hobby aircraft "Don't fly over people or stadiums" rather puts the airspace over a neighbor's house "off limits".

And, at least in Kentucky; you can take action against a hobby aircraft that intrudes on your property. I wonder if you could make money repackaging bean bag shotgun rounds as "drone killers". <grin>

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 2:53:43 PM   
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That is over groups or NEAR people... Again nothing to do with flying over home at 193 feet

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 5:11:15 PM   
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That is over groups or NEAR people... Again nothing to do with flying over home at 193 feet


And until the FAA gets some real rules; it comes down to who interprets. Probably will show up as wildly varying by jurisdiction.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 6:20:55 PM   
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Yep... We have seen that already

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 10/31/2015 11:15:23 PM   
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That is over groups or NEAR people... Again nothing to do with flying over home at 193 feet

193' could be construed as "near".

Again, you should read up on property rights.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 8:34:04 AM   
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Hill I have... and listed them... you have no rights...at least according to the FAA and they are the ones who have the say... and if you are familiar with cameras and lens you will know that with a 20mm lens at 193 feet you will be hard pressed to even see people clearly...It is strictly a landscape lens at that distance. Now the judge ruled so there is no debating that and not worth an appeal... but I believe if he did he would win.

As Merc says there is a lot of confusion and there is a need of clarification of laws... I believe they are coming and look how fast... now if we could only get gun laws to change that fast as well.... had to put that in because I'm a fanatic...

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 9:09:54 AM   
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That is over groups or NEAR people... Again nothing to do with flying over home at 193 feet

193' could be construed as "near".

Again, you should read up on property rights.


And dropping a screw high enough to reach terminal velocity could be deadly. Again, interpretations of "near". And one reason that any drone or hobby aircraft capable of carrying a useful payload must have type acceptance or an experimental license to be flown.

But the average fellow ordering a drone online has no clue about the restrictions of where and how one may fly their drone. Then, you get paranoid neighbors shooting down your drone.

Now, if that drone was actually at 193 feet when it was shot down; the shooter was a serious marksman or damned lucky. Most shotguns outside of long barrel goose guns don't hold a pattern worth a crap at that distance.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 9:22:20 AM   
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Hill I have... and listed them... you have no rights...at least according to the FAA and they are the ones who have the say... and if you are familiar with cameras and lens you will know that with a 20mm lens at 193 feet you will be hard pressed to even see people clearly...It is strictly a landscape lens at that distance. Now the judge ruled so there is no debating that and not worth an appeal... but I believe if he did he would win.

As Merc says there is a lot of confusion and there is a need of clarification of laws... I believe they are coming and look how fast... now if we could only get gun laws to change that fast as well.... had to put that in because I'm a fanatic...

Butch

Did I not say subject to the FAA?
This craft is not regulated by the FAA and therefore is not protected by the FAA. Ergo, no rights.

As for 193' being too far away to spy on a lovely young female with your camera, hell, that's only a bit over 60 yards.
I can gawk a woman that far away with my naked eye. That kind of piece of shit camera are you talking about?

As Merc said, shooting down a drone with a shotgun at that altitude is damn near impossible unless you're using an old 10 or 8 gauge (good luck finding ammo).
I have a feeling that the 'pilot' was a lot lower than he was claiming.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 9:33:41 AM   
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Hill I have... and listed them... you have no rights...at least according to the FAA and they are the ones who have the say... and if you are familiar with cameras and lens you will know that with a 20mm lens at 193 feet you will be hard pressed to even see people clearly...It is strictly a landscape lens at that distance. Now the judge ruled so there is no debating that and not worth an appeal... but I believe if he did he would win.

As Merc says there is a lot of confusion and there is a need of clarification of laws... I believe they are coming and look how fast... now if we could only get gun laws to change that fast as well.... had to put that in because I'm a fanatic...

Butch

Did I not say subject to the FAA?
This craft is not regulated by the FAA and therefore is not protected by the FAA. Ergo, no rights.

As for 193' being too far away to spy on a lovely young female with your camera, hell, that's only a bit over 60 yards.
I can gawk a woman that far away with my naked eye. That kind of piece of shit camera are you talking about?

As Merc said, shooting down a drone with a shotgun at that altitude is damn near impossible unless you're using an old 10 or 8 gauge (good luck finding ammo).
I have a feeling that the 'pilot' was a lot lower than he was claiming.


I was wondering what type of load he was using at that distance. I was thinking #2 birdshot or some other type of goose load. But yeah, I would question the distance and also I would question why you couldn't use a more powerful zoom lens at whatever distance.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 9:56:32 AM   
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I was wondering what type of load he was using at that distance. I was thinking #2 birdshot or some other type of goose load. But yeah, I would question the distance and also I would question why you couldn't use a more powerful zoom lens at whatever distance.

As I recall, the only damage the shotgun inflicted was a pellet clipping a blade on one of the propellers. The subsequent crash did the rest. That said, given a high resolution camera you can zoom in on areas of interest in the image after the fact. You don't need a big zoom, and there's no way for someone on the ground to know what kind of payload a drone is carrying in the first place. Personally, I think they're cool. But not so much for flying over private property.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 11:13:12 AM   
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That kind of piece of shit camera are you talking about?


Check out the link to the video shot by the exact same drone and the same altitude... In order to see as our eyes see you need at least a 50mm lens.

Its not a piece of shit... just not a camera made to spy.... it is made for landscape aerial photography. AND there was the ability to prove the altitude and speed throughout the flight... from what I understand from DJI the judge refused to look at the data.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 11:18:31 AM   
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Kirata... zoom in on the pictures I posted from comparable altitude and see how much detail this brings out. Now in the case there was a claim made that although the drone was shot down from cruising altitude it had previously been at a 10 foot altitude. This would have been shown on the flight log and could have been proven or not.

BUT... there is little doubt that in the near future there will be the ability to optically zoom so we do need clarification laws.

Butch

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 12:27:15 PM   
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HERE is a log... notice the elevations and speed displayed... this type of information was available to the judge... but he did not want to view it.

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 6:43:58 PM   
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If the source I use...DJI... is correct in the recorded and recovered data from the Phantom 3 quad copter shot down... the altitude was 193 feet. The Phantom three has a 94 mm landscape F2 lens that at that altitude will not capture enough detail to easily even see a person let alone tell what they are wearing.

Below is an image I captured at that approximate height with an identical aircraft ... do you really think this device can be used for spying on a sunbathing little girl?

Butch




Nice.

(Facts.....they soooooo confuse people).

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RE: Kentucky Drone Shooter... and the verdict is... - 11/1/2015 7:00:57 PM   
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"I'm surprised the judge made this ruling. Since isn't it up to the guy whom shot down the drone to prove the pilot of the drone was taking pictures (thereby creating justification to use a firearm)?"

Trespassing, ever hear of it. He could have shot a punk. He could have shot anyone but a cop, fireman or mailman. This is a mechanical device. Hell if you park a car on my property I betcha I get away with breaking all the windows. The olman used to shoot out the radiator when that happened. A buddy of mine used to slash the tires.


Trespassing would mean walking over to the individual holding the remote and saying 'Could you please fly that somewhere else?". Using a firearm is well beyond excessive. Did the guy have 'No Trespassing' signs on his property? No. Likewise, what did the drone touch as it flew overhead? Nothing. Since there are no laws establishing a property owner's airspace; what did the drone violate?

Likewise you behave in an irrational manner; I as your neighbor could have a judge remove the firearm from you on the grounds of your reckless endangerment towards others. Likewise, it would not take long before the gun controllers picked up your actions and made you the poster boy for better gun laws. Behaving like a child only gets you so far. When you own a firearm, the exception is you'll behave like an adult. One whom...FOLLOWS THE LAW! That means you would walk over to me, and ask not to have the drone fly over or near your house. I would say "Sure, that's reasonable; I'll fly it out of there right now". That's how adults handle problems. If you need a gun to handle a problem like this one; its fair to say you shouldn't have a gun! Your neither intelligent or mature to handle one properly.

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Too fucking bad. If it passes my property line it is fair game.


An then get sued in civil court for damages. You'll lose, and pay the damages. Then more people will fly drones over your house. In fact, they'll fly them in such a way as to appear over your property because of height. When you shoot, its shooting on to someone else's property and airspace. You just violated the law Mr. 'Honest-And-Law-Abiding' gun owner. The drone operate will have the GPS map to show to the judge their craft never flew over your property. Again your just helping the gun controllers convince more people to pass firearm laws.

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Y'know Amazon is working toward a drone based delivery system. I think that is going to cause a hell of alot of problems.


That is why we have the FAA figure out initial laws. After that, each state will have to develop laws with regards to drones. For private and commercial usage (i.e. carrying a pizza). Shoot down a corporation's drone; let us all know how much 'fun' it is dealing with corporate lawyers fucking you over every other day for years on end....

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Shit, you can get your own drones and have drone wars. Now there's a sport for the 21st century.


They already do. Once upon a time, they would have naval fights with R/C Battleships. Arm them with BBs and try to sink the other guy's ship. There are youtube videos about it. Pretty funny stuff. Drones tend to be much more agile and quick then a six foot long battleship. If the Drone's controller understood the guy was trying to shoot at it; he could have easily avoided the attack.

Mounting a range weapon on a drone is easy. Its designing a system that handles recoil so the drone isn't blown feet away. FPS Russia used such a device on one of his posts.

An why a drone operator handles just one drone right now; its not science fiction to realize that the person could handle dozens in just five years. Yes, one drone operator handling a dozen craft at once. Most of them are simply operating on a well programmed system to handle problems on their own.

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