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Thanks for explaining SHARP. I've had to look up so many things just to understand this thread, that I think I'll keep the urban dictionary on a hotkey.
I live in military-speak acronym land. My husband uses abbreviations that I have to ask what they mean on a regular basis. The explanation is not a problem and you are welcome.
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As for stalkers, I think I am beginning to understand the overwhelmingly over-the-edge response the women here have universally had toward the entire concept of stalking, which, to me, was simply obligatory due diligence.
While I appreciate that there might be some light at the end of the tunnel, you'll have to forgive me that I doubt we are speaking the same language. There's nothing that I, or any of the others have said here that could be confused with due diligence.
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I think the understanding boils down to quite a few basic things, the most important one of which is that we have to realize you women are INTERESTING so, people dig deeper. Just because you're women.
No. Interesting doesn't cut it. There's a difference between interesting and obsessive behavior. We'd do better with this conversation is you would accept that.
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Just like my female profile is missed when she doesn't post to the forum, people NOTICE you (of course, half of you are wearing prostitute's clothing when you go out at night, so, if they didn't notice you before, they're gonna really notice you now).
I'm going to cut you some slack and realize the possibility that this part was a joke.
If not, I'm perfectly willing to admit that people do notice me but it's not for the reason that you think. You can't really be a presenter without people noticing you. It comes with the territory.
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Meanwhile, in general, by way of supreme contrast, we men aren't ever noticed (nor are we seeking that kind of notice) but the main point is that nobody bothers to stalk us even when they can, so, we're not overly sensitive to the concept. Creepy is a word most often used by women; not by men.
Forgive the country expression but this is sixteen ways to Sunday kind of wrong.I know men who have moved because female stalkers got so bad. It does happen to men, too. They just don't talk about it as much or report as much.
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We're not as easily cheeped out as you are.
No, YOU aren't creeped out by it because you haven't done it before. You said in a post that you knew you were already dead because you got a t-shirt in the mail. How do you feel about dead animals on your porch? (Not me. It's one of the male Doms that I know.)
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You women seem to be supremely overly sensitive to it - so much that you take just looking at email headers as evidence of stalking (citing ridiculous legal statutes as evidence of the crime).
Did you not listen to anything I said?
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However, having said that, I'm sure real bona-fide stalking "does" exist.
I've never done it. But I'm sure it exists.
What was your big clue? Was it the people telling you it happens or maybe the legals stats?
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I'm surprised it's not one in four or five hundred for men.
Then again, remember that NASA bitch who wore the nappys or whatever they're called, just so she could stalk the other girlfriend of the married astronaut. So, I'm sure adrenaline fueled female stalkers exist too. Just not in huge amounts.
I have a personal theory about folks in the kink community having a higher rate than our vanilla counter-parts. Astronaut chick made the news. I can promise you that's not the only stalker that has traveled hundreds of miles because stalking has gone to the next level.
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I think that the women are going to outnumber the men for some basic reasons...
1. They are vastly more interesting than men (and they make themselves even more interesting, by their actions), and,
2. They are vastly weaker than men (so they'll resort to the law more often).
Get that "more interesting" thing out of your head. It's crap. Obsessive people don't care what gender the target of their obsession happens to be. Stalking is not normal behavior. Period. End of story.
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If all, or most of those things happened, then that seems to me to qualify as stalking.
Gee, ya think?
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On the first one, watching or following you isn't anything whatsoever, but "assaulting" you is (depending on what actually happened).
Also going to your place of work or to your house may or may not be a big deal, depending hugely on how it's done.
It's a huge deal.
People should have to wait to be physically assaulted? That's bullsh^t.
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However, on the second item, "making threatening" calls or texts, is clearly over the top. Anything threatening, of course, is in the eye of the "normal" person, which, we've already ascertained, is problematic because, in this thread alone, the "normal" woman thinks that looking at email headers is "threatening" while the normal guy is gonna need a gun stuck in his belly to begin to count as threatening by way of contrast.
It wasn't just my eyes. I'm not unique, either.
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Heck. I was even accused of threatening someone here in this very thread because i said something innocent about the fact that parents need to watch out for their kids. Another person took it as a threat simply because I said to mail me asking me to attribute their name to some text.
Aakasha's on the thread, so let's not pussy foot.
Aakasha and I don't agree on much. We've had our disagreements. However, I'd be surprised if we didn't agree on this. After my experience of the last two and a half years, I don't know if I could handle multiple stalkers at her level. People showing up at the house, if she went to a restaurant, calling, texting, and emailing incessantly... I wonder how she'd do if she had off-spring calling her, crying, because they were so scared that her stalker was going to kill her. (Really happened, btw.)
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So, women can't really be believed if they really act this way in a court of law. I guess that's why we have juries of our peers where, let's hope to God, some sane MEN are on that jury (or the guy is gonna be dead before the opening gavel hits the block of wood).
Ya know, a LOT of stalkers depend this kind of crap. "Well, you can't Beeeelieve it."
I was scared shitless of not being believed. That's even with hundreds of records. I could wallpaper your living room.
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On the third item - sending hate mail. Um. That's no different than the second item, so, we already agree (depending always on the definition of what actually happened).
That's what finally got me to turn my stalker in.
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On the fourth item, using social networking sites to 'track' or 'harass'. Oh oh. My bullshit meter is swinging wildly. Everything on this one depends on the word "track" but the word "harass" is pretty clear. When using facebook to see where someone is who is constantly posting to facebook where they are starts becoming illegal, then I'll say that the women have finally ruiined the world as they intended from the start. C'mon. That's utterly ridiculous.
I don't have Facebook. I've worked with the administrators of Facebook. My stalker was scaring the sh^t out of my (grown) daughter.
I really don't care about your bullshit meter.
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Having said that, using ANYTHING to "harass" someone is a totally different affair. I don't see how social networking needs to be used to harass. Just harassing someone is bad enough, no matter HOW it's done. So, I call total bullshit on that statute. (Although I do know about the mom who caused a suicide by playing a boy who courted and then hated the girl - but that had NOTHING to do with the social networking medium used. It's like the cellphone law stuff. Nobody is thinking when they make these laws. They're just reacting emotionally).
I'm really close to telling you to take a suppository.
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Looking at the fifth item, repeatedly sending love notes? Huh? We are really bordering on bullshit here. I won't even give that one the honor of a reprisal.
Yep. Whole thing sickened me. I got mail, gifts, etc. One was a strap-on. Another was perfume wrapped in money.
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Sixth. Burglary and vandalism. Um. OK. What's that got to do with stalking? It's burglary. And vandalism. There are already a zillion laws against that.
OK. Now prove who did it. There weren't random delinquent teenagers roaming around Delta Junction who broke into my garage and sabotaged my car.
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Going through the garbage is something LE does all the time, so, it's a valid way of gaining information, albeit I would definitely agree it's creepy. I wouldn't think it's against the law, but, it's sort of like burglarizing your garbage, so, I'll leave that one up to the lawyers to iron out.
As far as I know, this didn't happen in my case. Moving on...
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I don't get at all the reference to the transmission fairy. And I know cars reasonably well. I've never repaired an automatic transmission, other than to replace the filter and fluid, so, maybe I missed something well known here?
OK. Let me help you...
My car "grew" transmission fluid. When a car has been loaded with excess transmission fluid, drive it a few miles and it smokes. Bad. It's looks the same as popping a seal. Not right away. It will take a little while.
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Using cameras or tapping a phone. OK. This, like burglary, is a well known illegal activity. So, if anyone did this to anyone else, that's clearly not legal and needs to be punished. This is common sense and not at all bullshit like most of the others.
I didn't tap my own phone. I took advantage of the (commonly available) services from both Verizon and AT&T.
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Installing spyware or tracking software. Again, this one is common sense. So it's not bullshit like most of the above. Clearly that should be illegal.
It wasn't bullshit.
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Contacting friends and family to gain information about you? Huh? Bullshit off the charts. This is utterly ridiculous to make illegal. The only way it would even matter whom the stalker contacted is merely to show a PATTERN of undue interest. So, from a purely circumstantial evidentiary point, it's valid.
How kind of you.
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But the day they make asking questions illegal, we may as well just all just give up and hang ourselves as the law would have gotten to the point that it is so idiotic as to not to be taken seriously.
I'm not going back to count, but I'd say about half of those things should be illegal; the other half is the basic stuff of life. Deal with it.
When's the last time you took a shit? Constipation is a possibility, too.
I've been doing this for over two years. I bet you'd get a crick in your neck after looking over your shoulder that long, too.
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