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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:23:25 PM   
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There's a difference between interesting and obsessive behavior. We'd do better with this conversation is you would accept that.

Except that about half the things you listed were quite normal, albeit, pushing the envelope; while the other half were already quite illegal, having pushed the envelope too far.

I mean, your list of "things" was like comparing this dress:

With this one...

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:40:52 PM   
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No, hon. Chasing a woman down at a restaurant to watch her walk in and out is not "normal". Sabotaging a car is not "normal". Contacting her extended family members is not "normal".

None of this was "normal".

It was sick.


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:41:55 PM   
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With that said, the interesting thing here is that crumpets believes he has the right to pass judgment on total strangers. That their opinion of the correct length of a skirt means nothing, only a man's opinion does.


Like it or not, we all pass judgment every day on total strangers.
What they wear has a LOT to do with what we think about them.
And how we act toward them.

If I walked around like a homeless guy, versus a guy in a suit, you'd have two totally different opinions of me, and, you'd have something to say if I visited a fancy restaurant dressed as the former, or a July 4th BBQ wearing the latter.

So, you are just as guilty of "passing judgment" as anyone else is, and reacting to the way other people dress.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:44:57 PM   
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Stop posting pics that don't belong to you.


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:46:25 PM   
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@OP I have set everything up so that potential subs create a self-selection bias. Normally I would consider this a bad thing as a scientist, but in my case it works. You see, potential subs divide themselves into one of two groups; group one reads the profile and follows the directions thus guaranteeing a response (sooner or later). The second group doesn't read the profile, and I can tell immediately upon opening said mail; thus, they are instantly deleted without my reading anything they have written. The latter group is far more common than the former which saves me ass loads of time.

I loved your experiment by the way. Very cool.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:56:02 PM   
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If you wouldn't go around telling a male that his shirt is too tight or skimpy, then you don't have the right to tell it to a woman.

Well then, you know absolutely nothing about men.

Men just don't dress like women do.
It's not becoming of them.

Men would easily derisively tell other males they look like "faggots" (and far worse) if they wore a too-tight shirt or a bananna hammock to the beach. If they didn't want to hurt the guy's feelings, they certainly would "think" it, and they'd shun them like a they would a pariah.

Men generally tell their friends when their clothes are "out of line" by making derisive jokes about it.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
And if you said something to her or touched her, which unfortunately does happen to young women, she would probably punch you. And I would applaud her for so doing.

What planet do you live on?

First you try to advocate reason, and then you advocate "punching" out anyone who simply "says something" to someone?

And, by the way, in case you never looked at the size of most men compared to the size of most women ... there are EXTREMELY FEW women who can "punch" a two-hundred fifty pound man and get away with it (without a LOT of external assistance from other men); so, you really need to re-assess what you're recommending to people.

I think you need to seek professional help if you truly advocate meaningless and counterproductive violence as the solution to your problems with women not liking what men think or say to them.


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 8:59:09 PM   
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Stop posting pics that don't belong to you.

I never said they belong to me.
Each picture is found by a simple google search.
You know. ... Images.Google.Com

I type in "inappropriate dress for women" or "bananna hammock for men" and, in about ten or fifteen seconds, I simply choose the one that most aptly illustrates the point.


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 9:03:03 PM   
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Then why does she dress like a prostitute?

Oh my.



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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 9:09:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets
First you try to advocate reason, and then you advocate "punching" out anyone who simply "says something" to someone?

And, by the way, in case you never looked at the size of most men compared to the size of most women ... there are EXTREMELY FEW women who can "punch" a two-hundred fifty pound man and get away with it (without a LOT of external assistance from other men); so, you really need to re-assess what you're recommending to people.

I think you need to seek professional help if you truly advocate meaningless and counterproductive violence as the solution to your problems with men perceiving woman as they are.


I did.

I clocked someone last fall.

It seems I still have a good right hook.



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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 9:18:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
No, hon. Chasing a woman down at a restaurant to watch her walk in and out is not "normal". Sabotaging a car is not "normal". Contacting her extended family members is not "normal".
None of this was "normal".
It was sick.

Everything has to be taken in context.

1. The word "chasing" implies she's actively running away and he's following her at great speed. That would almost certainly be illegal if there is truly reasonable "fear" & active "chasing" and determined "running away" involved.
2. The word "sabotage" implies criminal damage, and particularly, with a car, dangerous driving conditions (as opposed to vandalism, which wouldn't necessarily imply that the car became unsafe as a result), both of which would be illegal.
3. However, the word "contact" implies a communication of some sort, so, contacting someone to ask a question is quite legal unless a restraining order or climbing a barbed-wired fence is also involved, in which case separate laws were broken, the contact all by itself not being a legal issue.

However, in a wholly different context...

1. Simply knowing someone was at a restaurant and arranging to be there at the same time would not be illegal in the least (again, unless a restraining order or some other extremely obvious legal restriction were invoked prior).
2. I can't imagine ANY case where "sabotage" or "vandalism" would be legal.
3. However, contacting anyone anywhere to ask anything about anyone else is perfectly legal (unless otherwise prohibited).

So, the context is what matters.
Specifically, what a REASONABLE person would think under the same circumstances is what would matter.

That you think that is "sick" simply means either you know for sure that it's the former set or you're really making a mountain out of a molehill because of your over-the-top sense of unfounded fear.

I don't know which is which because, as I said, everything depends on the context, since two of the three things you listed are perfectly legal under billions of circumstances (and illegal under a narrow set of others).

I mean, I was stalked once (by Italians). I called the police. They dealt with it.

I can show you entire threads on a car forum where people are LOOKING for me (literally, asking the mods to send me email, which they actually did, and asking people to geolocate my IP address, etc.). Of course, I was a "woman" in those forums, so, I was INTERESTING to them (nothing different ... same me ... just a change of sex and I'm instantly very INTERESTING to them).

I've even had people send me a get-well T-shirt, as I previously explained, from a security forum.

Does any of this worry me? Not in the least.

What worries me more is the over-the-top reactions some of you have toward normal day-to-day interactions with human beings.
That's what worries me.
You're not acting like reasonable human beings.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 9:25:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I clocked someone last fall.
It seems I still have a good right hook.


Speaking of acting like reasonable human beings, I, like most men, can't imagine ever hitting someone weaker than I am, which includes babies, animals, kids, and women.

I, like most men, used to wrestle in college, and I played football in high school, and I've have been in fights as a kid (like all boys) so I'm very familiar with rough contact with men.

Having said that, I must admit I have not been in a physical confrontation with anyone since about high school days.
I doubt most men get into fights as a common occurrence either (except the maladjusted ones, whom you should be teaching your kids to avoid anyway).

In the past thirty years, I can't even remember a single physical confrontation with another male, and, certainly I'd never even entertain one with a female (and I would think most men would be similar).

So, I wouldn't have a clue how I'd react if a woman tried to "clock" me - but I doubt I'd hit her back.
So, she might "think" she won - but only because there was never going to be a fair fight in the first place.

That's a false victory for her.

My point in this post is to strongly suggest that it would be a very bad idea for a woman to hit a man, because some men might actually hit back. And, men are powerful. They can kill with a single punch, but, more likely, they can hurt her badly in just a few punches.

I'm just saying that, given my sheer physical strength (and that of most men), I doubt that there are many women in this world who could literally attack most men and win, with just fists. I'm sure huge brutish Amazonians exist. Hell, I've seen some impressive brutes myself. But this daughter is better advised to utilize more intelligent ways of coping than picking a fight with a random guy who says something she doesn't like; there's a reason the Yamnaya beat out the Neanderthals, and it wasn't brute strength that gave them the edge.

Point is, there are far better ways than fisticuffs for people to advise that their daughters use to handle inappropriate comments from men.

The right choice - if she feels threatened - is to walk away, seek safety in numbers, document the altercation, seek the help of lawyers, call 911, etc.

But to advise she clock someone who says something she didn't like is unreasonable advice.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 10:10:42 PM   
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Fast reply.

The piece of paper won't save you. That's just who to find *after* something happens.

Walking away is great.. Until someone follows you in the parking lot.

Lady C did a lot for me. I can't repay what she did. The hours upon hours she spent on me? I can't explain it. To this day, I don't know why she did but she had a huge part in me still being here.


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 10:20:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets

My point in this post is to strongly suggest that it would be a very bad idea for a woman to hit a man, because some men might actually hit back. And, men are powerful. They can kill with a single punch, but, more likely, they can hurt her badly in just a few punches.



I can agree with that.

The only time I've ever taken the advice that if a guy if physically threatening you, you should hit him back, was with my abusive ex.
I kicked him in the balls, and then gave him my best shot straight on the face.

Broke his nose... only there was no way to tell until after he'd beaten the tar out of me (I ended up in the hospital with a back injury, not to speak of the two black eyes, injured jaw (still have TMJ from that event) and the other injuries... because he... he didn't even flinch.
The adrenaline had him so pumped up he didn't even realize he was injured until way later, and he didn't slow down for a second.

All I did was make him more mad.

And I'm 5'11" and was built out of tawny muscle at the time (lifted weights regularly, and did long distance swimming).

If you are not trained enough to take a guy out cold... don't hit him.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 10:30:57 PM   
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There was a post a little way back that has me puzzled and I hope somebody can clarify something for me...................something was stated along the lines of a woman dressing like a prostitute........................what, in the writers opinion, does a prostitute dress like? And how does he/she come by that information. It seemed like a fairly sweeping statement from somebody with a very narrow mind. I have no idea who wrote it and really don't care but I would be interested to know the answer.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 10:39:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Don't you have enough 'test' profiles yet?


When I know everything, then I can stop! :)

Actually, one test I want to design is to see if ANYONE actually BELIEVES the fake banner ad profile that is to the top right of EVERY SINGLE time we look at our mail.
So, let me ask YOU a question, since I always come in using a proxy (and not my real IP address).

QUESTION FOR YOU:
When you see that banner ad at top right, does it say YOUR TOWN for the location of the fake profile?

For me, since I use a proxy, it doesn't say the town; but does it say the town for you?


Given this banner ad is always fake, I have two questions for others that I can't run an experiment on myself:
1. Does the banner ad always say YOUR TOWN (or does it say "proxy" for you, like it does for me)?
2. Why would anyone ever click on those fake ads? (Do they actually BELIEVE they are real?)



It always says my location, more or less. I ignore the banners by resizing the window to exclude them. Still can't avoid the banners in people's profiles though...

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 11:04:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressRage
@OP I have set everything up so that potential subs create a self-selection bias. Normally I would consider this a bad thing as a scientist, but in my case it works. You see, potential subs divide themselves into one of two groups; group one reads the profile and follows the directions thus guaranteeing a response (sooner or later). The second group doesn't read the profile, and I can tell immediately upon opening said mail; thus, they are instantly deleted without my reading anything they have written. The latter group is far more common than the former which saves me ass loads of time.


Thank you very much for this clarification.

Given the male half of the experiment only received that one spam, all my data revolves around the female half.

In all those responses, as you intimate above, about half (or so) actually read the profile, while the other half almost certainly didn't even bother. All responded within the hour (because the profile was only left alive for a short while), so, they probably just manually pounced on the the female profile, the moment it showed up in their login screen.

I think, as someone mentioned, it's not an ACTIVE waiting for prey that they responded to; I think it's more likely that they simply saw "her" as a new user, and they quickly glanced at the profile, and said, "what the heck", and made an attempt. That none were within a reasonable distance simply proves that they're all almost certainly shooting in the dark, since it's not really likely that a relationship will develop from thousands of miles away.

What surprised me was that I don't act that way toward profiles.

In general, I am passive in that I wait for women to contact me (not always, but most of the time). I may certainly "admire" a profile (perhaps multiple times, as it's my habit to read, re-read, and re-read anew a profile that I like, just for the pleasure of getting to know more about someone who interests me).

I don't generally read the profiles of people responding to posts; however, I certainly do bother to read any profile of anyone who contacts me by CS mail. I read every single word BEFORE I respond, and, I have been known to click on their forum posts, and read every single journal entry. In your case, as in AAkashas, who is a friend of yours, I also bother to go to the web site hinted about in your profile and read up on that public web site, well before replying in a collarspace email response.

All this, as you can tell from the response I have already sent you, takes just a few minutes. Maybe four to six minutes.
If some consider that "stalking", well then, we just need to agree that we have different definitions of that term.

In your case, I was delighted (as I was in AAkasha's) to feel your innate intelligence exuding from every well written word you published (e.g., Dommes don’t provide a service, they provide a place to serve) and every professionally lit photograph (e.g., your "red room" versus your "brown room" photos). Both of you, as professionals, have a wonderfully ineffable way of describing things in very simple sentences (e.g., "I want to enjoy you, not be annoyed by you.") and your advice is stellar (e.g., What Dommes Want, and How to Session with a Domme).

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 11:45:07 PM   
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It always says my location, more or less.

Thanks for letting us know, as that's what I had expected them to say on a non-hardened browser.

I think they are "real" profiles (with the word "real" very much in quotes), in that the profile probably 'exists", and some seem to be of people we recognize, but when I clicked on them, from my proxy anyway, they just went to a home page with scores of profiles on them, none of which were the one featured.

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ORIGINAL: MissShey
I ignore the banners by resizing the window to exclude them. Still can't avoid the banners in people's profiles though...

What platform are you on?
If you're not on a mobile device, you can simply install a hosts file such as this one, which will block tens of thousands of ad sites.
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

That way, you'll only see a blank box in the place of all banner ads.
Or, just put this one line in your hosts file (and similar ones for AFF):
127.0.0.1 alt.com

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/4/2015 11:52:27 PM   
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what,... does a prostitute dress like?


Googling for what a prostitute dresses like, I find this...

And this...

And this:

And, oh, my ... wow ... this...


I don't think they really dress like this though ... (do they?)


Because that would be a bit much, even for a hooker:


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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/5/2015 12:01:32 AM   
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Really ??......................I have friends who are prostitutes and I have never seen them dress like that. A few dress in evening dress; some dress in smart casual clothes and some in jeans and shirts......................but really, what does it matter how they or any other woman dresses ? I don't know what your profession is but prostitutes were around before that and they ARE the second oldest profession I believe.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/5/2015 12:48:59 AM   
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Really ??......................I have friends who are prostitutes and I have never seen them dress like that.

The term "dressing like a hooker" is a term of speech.

What it means is that the dressing is to attract attention. Sexual attention.
It doesn't mean that a hooker wears a specific uniform with a big "P" embroidered into her clothing.
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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
A few dress in evening dress; some dress in smart casual clothes and some in jeans and shirts......................but really, what does it matter how they or any other woman dresses ?

It turns out, all joking aside, women dress just like prostitutes, and vice versa.
Their clothing is, for the most part, indistinguishable between the "respectable" women, and the ladies of ill repute.

I just ran an image search for "women dressed in public", and it came up with the likes of this, which is to point out what we're discussing here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I don't know what your profession is but prostitutes were around before that and they ARE the second oldest profession I believe.

Prostitutes will always exist because men aren't satisfied by their women and crave more even if they were satisfied, and women know how to take advantage of men's cravings.

There are thousands of prostitutes in every city and town in the country, and in most of the world (where the profession is legal in all but the up-tight countries). Given that, in most of the world they pay zero taxes, if feminists would add up their true take-home "pay" in their idiotically slanted figures on women's wages versus men's wages in the work place, I'd wager that there would be parity, and, maybe, just maybe, women would earn more than men overall, if we remove the outliers such as the CEOs of large corporations, who skew the figures tremendously in favor of men.

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