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Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/8/2015 6:26:34 AM)
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If you don't mind me rearranging things so I can address your points more easily...
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
You said 5): Hell there will be a special place in it for people who thought keeping their own soul lily white was more important than obeying those silly commandments to love one another and judge not.
5 is out since there is no such commandment, you made it up. Furthermore she has judged no one, homosexuality is condemned in the bible not by her.
I not making anything up, but you are, and of course she is (see 1 below).
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. ~John 15:12
Judge not, that ye be not judged. ~Matthew 7:1
Ok from the top.
First you stuck that 'do not judge' business in there and it is NOT a commandment. So that one goes right back in the trash.
Second you stick in: "That ye love one another, as I have loved you." in pretense that its a get out of jail free card. Well its not. It does not mean and does not mandate that everyone should suck and fuck each other.
Neither is it an exemption for any sin [crime] against God or the religion.
I cant imagine where you get those weird interpretations from.
Therefore 5) is disposed of once again goes right back in the trash.
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You said 4): and in actual fact her refusal is violating a teaching of "Jesus Himself"
4 is out since not committing a crime against her God does not violate any teaching of JC.
She is not "committing a crime against her God". Signing a marriage license doesn't make her complicit in the "sin" of homosexuality any more than paying taxes made a Jew complicit in the sins of Rome (stop me when this starts to sound familiar).
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. ~Matthew 22:21
Another one you have wrong.
Repeating the same error as a result of incorrect interpretations is a repeat of error as you will see below. Yes the error sounds very familiar, its a popular one.
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Parallel Commentaries
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
Jesus Christ was a faithful Teacher, and a bold reprover. Christ saw their wickedness. Whatever mask the hypocrite puts on, our Lord Jesus sees through it. Christ did not interpose as a judge in matters of this nature, for his kingdom is not of this world, but he enjoins peaceable subjection to the powers that be. His adversaries were reproved, and his disciples were taught that the Christian religion is no enemy to civil government.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 21. - Caesar's. They are constrained to answer that the coin bears the effigy of the Roman emperor. Render (ἀπόδοτε, give back, as a due) therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's (τὰ Καίσαρος). Rabbinism ruled that the right of coinage appertained to the ruler of a state, and was a proof of de facto government, which it was unlawful to resist.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
They say unto him, Caesar's,.... Either Augustus Caesar's; for there was a coin of that emperor's, as Dr. Hammond reports, from Occo, which had his image or picture on it, and in it these words written, Augustus Caesar, such a year, "after the taking of Judaea"; which if this was the coin, was a standing testimony of the subjection of the Jews to the Romans; and this being current with them, was an acknowledgment of it by them, and carried in it an argument of their obligation to pay tribute to them; or it might be Tiberius Caesar's, the then reigning emperor, in the nineteenth year of whose reign, Christ was crucified; and seeing he had reigned so long, it is reasonable to suppose, his money was very common, and most in use: we read in the Talmud (s), of , "a Caesarean penny", or "Caesar's penny", the same sort with this: now this penny having Caesar's image and inscription on it, our Lord tacitly suggests, that they ought to pay tribute to him; since his money was allowed of as current among them, which was in effect owning him to be their king; and which perfectly agrees with a rule of their own, which runs thus (t):
"A king whose "coin" is "current" in any country, the inhabitants of that country agree about him, and it is their joint opinion, "that he is their Lord, and they are his servants".''
This being the case now with the Jews, Christ's advice is,
render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God, the things that are God's: give Caesar the tribute and custom, and fear, and honour, and obedience, which are due to him; which may be done without interfering with the honour of God, and prejudicing his interest and glory, when care is taken, that all the worship and obedience due to God are given to him: subjection to civil magistrates is not inconsistent with the reverence and fear of God; all are to have their dues rendered unto them, without entrenching upon one another. And the Jews themselves allow, that a king ought to have his dues, whether he be a king of Israel, or of the Gentiles:
"a publican, or tax gatherer, (they say (u),) that is appointed by the king, whether a king of Israel, or of the Gentiles, and takes what is fixed by the order of the government; it is forbidden to refuse payment of the tax to him, for , "the right of a king is right".''
Just and equitable, and he ought to have his right.
(s) T. Bab. Avoda Zara, fol. 6. 2.((t) Maimon. Hilch. Gerala, c. 5. sect. 18. (u) Maimon. & Bartenora in Misn. Nedarim. c. 3. sect. 4. & Maimon. Hilch. Gezala, c. 5. sect. 11.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/22-21.htm
If that is not obvious enough that JC did not involve himself with civil law, but the laws of God, and helped them understand the distinction. (correctly I might add since secular philosophers basically maintain the same distinction)
Therefore 4) is again disposed of and filed in the trash
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You said 3): Her claim that it is "a Heaven or Hell decision" is patently false (loc.cit.)
3 is out since it would be considered a mortal sin which is a go to hell offense.
No, it wouldn't be. See previous.
If you base this on the previous well the previous is disposed of as bad biblical interpretation. However if that is not enough:
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Bible Verses About Gay Marriage
Bible verses related to Gay Marriage from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (Read More...)
Romans 13:8-10 - Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. (Read More...)
John 8:7-11 - So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (Read More...)
James 4:12 - There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Galatians 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Isaiah 56:3-5 - Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree. (Read More...)
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 19:11-12 - But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given. (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 7:7-9 - For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. (Read More...)
Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Romans 1:24-27 - Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (Read More...)
Matthew 22:39 - And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (Read More...)
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
1 Timothy 5:8 - But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
2 Samuel 1:26 - I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
1 Samuel 18:1-30 - And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (Read More...)
Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 - But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; (Read More...)
Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (Read More...)
Your #3) is again disposed of, on your terms (the previous arguments interpreted in error) and by quotes from the bible that condemn homosexual behavior.
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You said 2): the judgment of others is not given unto Christians
2 is out since it is a repeat of 5.
No, it isn't out. See 5 above.
It is condemned in the bible, davis made no judgement, the judgement is predetermined, she merely followed it.
Your #2 is again tossed into the trash
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You said 1): Scriptural teachings about marriage are irrelevant. She's not the one getting married
Which is also entirely incorrect since scriptural teachings on marriage as they relate to homosexuality are part of the core argument.
They are irrelevant. She is not the one getting married, and it is not her place to judge whether God would condemn them.
Again your do not judge thing is NOT a commandment as you misinterpreted.
Your #1 gots right back in the trash
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The government requires davis to certify gay marriage and issue a certification of the marriage an act that violates her religion:
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The act of certification is:
certify(Approve), verb accede to, accept, accord, accord one's approval, accredit, acknowledge, admit, agree, agree to, allow, assent, assent to, authorize, charter, concur, concur in, confirm, confirm officially, consent, countenance, empower, endorse, entitle, establish, give assent, give clearance, give consent, give permission, legalize, license, make valid, permit, pronounce legal, ratify, sanction, uphold, validate, yield assent
She is not approving the act. She is only approving the license, i.e., certifying that the statutory requirements set by the state have been met. Nobody needs her approval to get married.
as an agent of the state and on behalf of the sate SHE most certainly is:
[granting] Approve[al] of the act the gays performed the act of marriage which no clerk could do prior to scotus ruling
accept [of their status]
acknowledge [of their status]
authorize [ing their status]
confirm, [their status]
confirm officially [their status]
endorse [their status],
entitle [their status]
give consent, [to their status]
give permission, [to their status]
legalize [their status],
license, [their status]
make valid [their status],
pronounce legal [their status],
ratify [their status],
sanction [ing their status],
validate [ing their status],
The state is an artificial entity and cant do squat, people do the doing!
On behalf of the state which is why SHE signs HER NAME NOT signed by 'THE STATE OF!
She said its ok with her if the states name were on it.
I agree.
I assume you understand what an allegory is? Being an accomplice in the commission of something, another example; there is a cup of ice water on top of the door, One person calls someone into the room the other pulls the string. While the person who did the calling did not actually pull the string they participated in the event. That is what an accomplice to the commission of xyz is.
Whichever that one applies to is disposed of once again.
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Therefore disposing of every point you tried to make.
Yeah, no.
K.
yeh, yeh, and double yeh.
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