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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/7/2015 11:29:03 PM   
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and as to your latter inanity, which isn't even legitimately formed---ive spent most of my adult life on college campuses, they are generally "supposed" to be places where free exchanges of ideas take place. jesse waters interviewing willing students, on their own free time, hardly qualifies him as a "pain in the ass." the more likely story is that cornell didn't want the story to have a larger audience.

apart from the fact that most people know who jesse watters is billos ass sniffer. And billo lies like most of us breathe.


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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 1:00:38 AM   
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I think that Piscao was on LSD and his art reflected that. Do college profs appreciate my point of view. No.

LSD wasn't synthesized until 1938. Most of Picasso's works predate that.

I think that ignorant students should have lower grades.


So you realize that you are condeming any student that when asked an opinion question and answers it with his personal justification (opinion) that the question should automatically be wrong. Well unless it meets the opinion of others who disagree. Art's value is of personal opinion to determine it's value to that person. Personally I am a realist. I like my art to look like something real.

What some of our educators are/were teaching is that if you don't think a certain way that meets our parameters (it doesn't matter what they are) that you are a failure and you should be failed for expressing something counter to our thinking. If asked a real question about content aside, it doesn't matter if you know the subject. BTW I passed the lit class but only because the instructor couldn't justify failing me for having an opinion and probably would have wound up in court if he had. Haven't taken an art class.

One of the problems with mankind is our ability to find those with a differing opinion as ignorant, failures, etc and should be subjected to persecution. It goes back into history as far as it was recorded and probably before. Personally, I like others opinions and respect them as such. Doesn't matter to me if they agree or disagree with me. But persecution as I perceive by your statement that I should have failed because my opinion didn't match that of the instructor is just beyond my belief that education should encourage opinion. It is OK to disagree and verbalize against that opinion, but the name calling, foul recommendations, etc should go. At that point we have moved beyond debate over opinion into persecution.

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:07:49 AM   
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It sounds to me like someone might have whispered the word "Legacy" into one of those huge ears.



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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:20:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is an example of what I am talking about. And I believe it is an example of what Obama was talking about. The supression of thought and speech

http://www.chicksonright.com/college-professor-blasts-the-insane-special-snowflake-pc-crap-on-the-first-day-of-class/

http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/3901

This prof didn't conform to the political correctness and was therefore retaliated against.

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:22:58 AM   
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It sounds to me like someone might have whispered the word "Legacy" into one of those huge ears.


He already has many accomplishments as a US President:

1 ) 1st black US President
2 ) Turned a recession and possible depression into a bull market
3 ) Reduced the deficit
4 ) Took down Osama bin Laden
5 ) Ended two wars
6 ) The Affordable Care Act
7 ) Restore credibility of the USA towards other nations
8 ) Accomplish all this with total and absolute opposition from the GOP/TP

I'm not even hitting the tip of the iceberge of good things this president has done for the nation. Long after Mr. Obama has passed away due to old age, people will talk about Obamacare. From all the photos and video, future Americans will see Mr. Obama is a fairly positive view.

His opposition all this time has been small minded individuals with very little concepts or ideas on how to make the nation better. They likewise, will not really be known or cared about in ten to fifteen years. The President has quite a good legacy. Might be why Mrs. Clinton is having an easy time with the election just as George H. W. Bush did under Ronald Reagan. Unlike G. H. W. Bush, Hillary will get two terms!

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:34:29 AM   
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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:40:06 AM   
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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 4:45:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		You don't know me nor do you know what I believe. The headline reads Europe scrambling for guns when all the article can come up with is Austria scrambling for guns. Even Austria scrambling for guns may have been exaggerated to some extent but the headline and article made a good discussion. I do however think (just so you know what I really believe) that those European countries letting in crap loads of Muslems is going to come back and bite them in the ass and joethers post up above is so way far out there in the universe where great sci-fi movies are made. His exaggerations don't even come close to the exaggeration in the headline of the European gun article.

Anything else you would liked to nit pick or should we look at your greatest achievements ?

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 4:59:10 AM   
Lucylastic


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remember, what I said was...
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guy whos greatest achievement on the board


Now if you want to get pernickety why dont you quit blaming everyone else for your " pov"


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should we look at your greatest achievements


By all means, do that if it will crank your handle...i wont hold my breath. lol

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 10:52:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
It sounds to me like someone might have whispered the word "Legacy" into one of those huge ears.


He already has many accomplishments as a US President:

1 ) 1st black US President
2 ) Turned a recession and possible depression into a bull market
3 ) Reduced the deficit
4 ) Took down Osama bin Laden
5 ) Ended two wars
6 ) The Affordable Care Act
7 ) Restore credibility of the USA towards other nations
8 ) Accomplish all this with total and absolute opposition from the GOP/TP

I'm not even hitting the tip of the iceberge of good things this president has done for the nation. Long after Mr. Obama has passed away due to old age, people will talk about Obamacare. From all the photos and video, future Americans will see Mr. Obama is a fairly positive view.

His opposition all this time has been small minded individuals with very little concepts or ideas on how to make the nation better. They likewise, will not really be known or cared about in ten to fifteen years. The President has quite a good legacy. Might be why Mrs. Clinton is having an easy time with the election just as George H. W. Bush did under Ronald Reagan. Unlike G. H. W. Bush, Hillary will get two terms!


#1 This is relevant to performance in office how?
#2 by some very creative accounting. The average Joe is still in recession while the richest 10% are mopping up.
#3 Which deficit? The last I looked; the import export ratio was still in deficit numbers. The only thing that helped with the foreign exchange deficit was the shift in exchange rate. The fall in oil prices due to the increased supply with fracking probably has more to do with the decrease than anything done inside the beltway.
#4 bin Laden was taken down by the military. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. Ok, he was CIC so I'll buy that one a bit.
#5 The last time I looked the wars were still going on. Our troops just have a smaller piece of it.
#6 A mandatory, forced, sinecure for health insurance companies still has little or nothing to do with being able to get health care. That is like a LT saying "I have a map so I control the territory". Or like comparing apples to durien fruit; one smells of fermented sweat socks.
#7 Interesting that the foreign press shows a decrease of credibility for the U.S. after unilaterally interfering with the IAEA's work to curb bomb grade nuclear proliferation.
#8 Yes, the GOP has major problems with very vocal loonies. Then, again, executive fiat is not how laws are made in this country.

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 11:25:26 AM   
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Obama on liberal college students who want to be "coddled": "That’s not the way we learn"
Updated by Libby Nelson on September 14, 2015, 7:20 p.m. ET @libbyanelson [email protected]
...


I'm always reminded of the Parking Lot Is Full comic when thinking about the "right to not be offended", specifically:



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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/8/2015 2:13:40 PM   
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Not so. That honor goes to vincente guerrero who was the first black president of the united states of mexico. Had you forgot that there is more than one united states?

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 4:50:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		to the point of the op, and post #31, saw this last night on the Kelly file:

the president of yale (stupidly in my opinion) sent out an email to students urging them to not dress in "offensive" Halloween costumes. a professor on campus demurred, saying something like people shouldn't be protected from offensive things, or that people have a right to be offensive. never mind the dangers in, of course, that's its the left who gets to define "offensive."

I cant watch the video below, but I trust it captures what I saw last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiSUXqHCkXI

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 4:56:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		then there is this gem too---a faculty at the university of Missouri, where heck is breaking loose lately, harassed and tried to have a student reporter removed from the "protests"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/11/mizzou-professor-in-viral-video-resigns-from-courtesy-position/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311950/The-moment-University-Missouri-activists-including-media-professor-encircled-student-ESPN-photographer-tried-kick-public-protests.html

this all okay with you leftist/socialist/communist/progressive/liberal types? do we have a common enemy here, or are you the enemy?

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 5:18:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I think that Piscao was on LSD and his art reflected that. Do college profs appreciate my point of view. No.

LSD wasn't synthesized until 1938. Most of Picasso's works predate that.

I think that ignorant students should have lower grades.


So you realize that you are condeming any student that when asked an opinion question and answers it with his personal justification (opinion) that the question should automatically be wrong. Well unless it meets the opinion of others who disagree. Art's value is of personal opinion to determine it's value to that person. Personally I am a realist. I like my art to look like something real.

What some of our educators are/were teaching is that if you don't think a certain way that meets our parameters (it doesn't matter what they are) that you are a failure and you should be failed for expressing something counter to our thinking. If asked a real question about content aside, it doesn't matter if you know the subject. BTW I passed the lit class but only because the instructor couldn't justify failing me for having an opinion and probably would have wound up in court if he had. Haven't taken an art class.

One of the problems with mankind is our ability to find those with a differing opinion as ignorant, failures, etc and should be subjected to persecution. It goes back into history as far as it was recorded and probably before. Personally, I like others opinions and respect them as such. Doesn't matter to me if they agree or disagree with me. But persecution as I perceive by your statement that I should have failed because my opinion didn't match that of the instructor is just beyond my belief that education should encourage opinion. It is OK to disagree and verbalize against that opinion, but the name calling, foul recommendations, etc should go. At that point we have moved beyond debate over opinion into persecution.

I'm not going to dispute that there are abysmal teachers. And it's possible you had some.

At the same time, you're displaying disregard and seeming lack of awareness of the differences between matters of opinion and matters of fact, and because of that falling back on "Well, my opinion is" whatever any understanding of what's at work in this art and literature, and hence, no real basis for discussion. NOT the same as like/dislike.


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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 9:18:29 AM   
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You don't know me nor do you know what I believe. The headline reads Europe scrambling for guns when all the article can come up with is Austria scrambling for guns. Even Austria scrambling for guns may have been exaggerated to some extent but the headline and article made a good discussion. I do however think (just so you know what I really believe) that those European countries letting in crap loads of Muslems is going to come back and bite them in the ass and joethers post up above is so way far out there in the universe where great sci-fi movies are made. His exaggerations don't even come close to the exaggeration in the headline of the European gun article.

Anything else you would liked to nit pick or should we look at your greatest achievements ?


I know you plenty well. Lacking of arguments, lacking of useful information, lacking of honesty. You know, the typical concepts that make up the modern conservative 'Low Information Voter' these days. Your 'attack' on the President and myself were both lame, silly, and stupid.

If my exaggerations are not true, please post your evidence to show for it. Oh that's right, you don't have any! If you had some, you would have used it in your post instead of the garbage bashing! What you dont like are two things: 1 ) President Obama is going down as the best US President for this century and millennium and now in the running for the top three best US Presidents; 2 ) I showed the 'big ticket' items the President has accomplished and you do not have a counter argument since they are all truthful and fully verifiable concepts.

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 10:25:10 AM   
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1 ) President Obama is going down as the best US President for this century and millennium and now in the running for the top three best US Presidents

So then...since your fetching adoration is clear...you agree with your hero regarding his stance on there being too much PC and drowning out of conservative thought at universities? As noted in the O.P.?

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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 11:13:38 AM   
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1 ) President Obama is going down as the best US President for this century and millennium and now in the running for the top three best US Presidents

So then...since your fetching adoration is clear...you agree with your hero regarding his stance on there being too much PC and drowning out of conservative thought at universities? As noted in the O.P.?



Unlike conservative ideology, CD, the liberals can agree or disagree with each other. That's what it means to follow the root concept of being liberal. Should look it up, its a Latin word: Liberalis. What you really do not understand is that the 'un-ugly' concept of Political Correctiveness is "Being a Professional". That some people were not be as professional as they should be given the circumstances that unfolded. An that is what the President was speaking on. That you do not understrand the concept nor what the President was stating, is nothing new. I can agree and disagree with the man.

Unlike Liberal thought, conservatives have to be in 'lock step' with their 'comrades' on any given issue. Even on issues they dislike privately. That they can not publicibly state they are opposed to their party's beliefs. Which means they are more a prisoner to their ideology than liberals (i.e. less free of thought, ability, and conscious).


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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 11:35:03 AM   
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Unlike Liberal thought, conservatives have to be in 'lock step' with their 'comrades' on any given issue. Even on issues they dislike privately. That they can not publicibly state they are opposed to their party's beliefs. Which means they are more a prisoner to their ideology than liberals (i.e. less free of thought, ability, and conscious).

I guess explains why the Republicans are so united and their candidates are falling over each other in agreement.

K.


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RE: Intetesting Take From Obama - 11/12/2015 12:36:18 PM   
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to the point of the op, and post #31, saw this last night on the Kelly file:

the president of yale (stupidly in my opinion)

We all know how stupid your opinions are.

sent out an email to students urging them to not dress in "offensive" Halloween costumes. a professor on campus demurred, saying something like


Is it all morons or just you who refuses to cite a phoquing thing. Why is it always "if I remember correctly,saying something like etc... is it possible that you could actually quote a fact say one out of a dozen times?


people shouldn't be protected from offensive things, or that people have a right to be offensive. never mind the dangers in, of course, that's its the left who gets to define "offensive."

Yet you continually whine about how "offensive" my language is.


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