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thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:17:31 PM)
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Chamberlain followed suit with his predecessors from centuries back. The British policy was always to avoid war at all costs (almost all costs). See Napoleon, WW1, WW2 etc. Not true. The britts had declared war on germany when germany attacked poland. They had sent an expiditioary force to france to fight the germans. I am simply pointing out that calling the french cowards when it was the britts who ran away is historically inaccurate.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:20:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: only 2% of refugees are males of fighting age, most are children, women, families. Unless my eyes deceive me this is simply not true. I admit not exactly scientific but when running a search on images of Syrian Refugees your 2% does not hold up. Butch I agree, Butch. [ETA: the EU migrants, not those of the US] Pretty much most of the media coverage I've seen broadcast seems to show more than 75% young, fit, reasonably well-dressed able-bodied men wielding iPhones having paid thousands to traffickers and still able to buy local sim cards with data plans!! They are perfectly capable of forming quite a formidable fighting force to take the fight to their oppressors (Assad and ISIS) if they wanted to. But they don't do that - they want everyone else to fight their war for them while they sit on their butts claiming western benefits that they wouldn't get in their own country. I'm sorry, I know bombs are bad but why don't they even try to fight for their own country?? There are around 11 million refugees that have jumped the Syrian ship. Even if only 10% of them are young and healthy enough to fight, that still makes more than a million to form an army. That's more than 5x what we have in the total UK regular armed forces (<200,000). [Edit#2: Just heard on BBC news that there are estimated 20 million migrants (not just from Syria) knocking on EU's borders and arriving at more than 3,000 a day] If they fought their OWN war, nobody else would be involved. Not the US, the UN, the EU, the Russians..... nobody. Which would imply that we wouldn't be prime extremist targets in 'revenge' attacks. We wouldn't have to support such stupidly high numbers of migrants/refugees either. If we did that in WW1/WW2, we'd all be labelled as yellow-bellied cowards! [/EndRant] A classic case here of the blind leading the blind. I wonder if you two will stop your Islamophobic love in long enough to read the fucking news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131911 Are you both suggesting the 20 million migrants figure is actually true ? Are you both suggesting all the migrants into the EU are Muslims, as you maths seem to be suggesting exactly that. Are you both suggesting that all Muslim men of fighting age are terrorists. Are you both suggesting after 4 years of war that there are no moderate Muslims fighting either IS or Assad. Are you both just spouting bullshit, yet again. Do either of you have a fucking clue ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:25:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 And WE don't want the fucking migrants either!! Last figures I saw was that the US had only taken 1,500 Syrian refugees. Wiki states: "As of September 2015, the United States has resettled 1,500 Syrians, up from 90 Syrian refugees in 2013". I'm guessing the US has not processed many Syrian refugees because it's generally harder to get to the US and only the slightly richer families were able to afford to go there in the first place. It's not like they can walk there or hop on a raft like they can over here. So that would suggest to me why there are only 2% of those over there that are young fit single men. Also, Wiki reports: At least 27 U.S. states governors declared they will refuse to accept Syrian refugees or questioned the vetting process following the November 2015 Paris attacks. Who is this ubiquitos "WE" you are on about, because you are hardly speaking for the majority in the UK.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:29:09 PM)
Thompson MUST be right freedomdwarf..................after all, the war didn't really begin until the end of 1941 did it ? And then all the heroes came into it and saved the world for democracy etc.,etc.,etc. He is never wrong mate so it's a waste of time arguing with him. His mind's made up so don't confuse him with facts. you should do as he does...................pick and choose the books you read and get your facts from the ones that agree with you and if you pick the same books as him, guess what ? you may find yourself agreeing with him !!

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:40:25 PM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Thompson MUST be right freedomdwarf..................after all, the war didn't really begin until the end of 1941 did it ? I am pretty sure that g.b declared war on germany in 39. U.s involvement in ww2 was relatively minor. And then all the heroes came into it and saved the world for democracy etc.,etc.,etc. Not in any history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade. He is never wrong mate so it's a waste of time arguing with him. Actually I am seldom wrong because I find out what I am talking about before I open my mouth not after. His mind's made up so don't confuse him with facts. The historical facts are that the britts left dunkirk with their tail between their legs while the french continued to fight. you should do as he does...................pick and choose the books you read and get your facts from the ones that agree with you and if you pick the same books as him, guess what ? you may find yourself agreeing with him !! If you have an issue with any of my sources how about telling me.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:42:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Chamberlain followed suit with his predecessors from centuries back. The British policy was always to avoid war at all costs (almost all costs). See Napoleon, WW1, WW2 etc. Not true. The britts had declared war on germany when germany attacked poland. They had sent an expiditioary force to france to fight the germans. I am simply pointing out that calling the french cowards when it was the britts who ran away is historically inaccurate. The notion the British Army ran away is bullshit, historically speaking. The combined English French and Belgian armies that advanced north in 1940 were all outflanked and out manouvered by fast moving german mechanised divisions. With few suppiles and large numbers of tanks etc needing repairs, plus German control of the skies, there were two options at Dunkirk, withdraw or surrender. Counter attack wasnt an option once the one at Arras had failed.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:48:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Yes but do you deny...those were men... come on... makes no different if a video or still. It is absolute proof... at least for that group. I have never seen a picture OR video of a large group of refugees with just 2 percent men... If you can show me one with just 2 percent men I can show you hundreds with a hell of a lot more than 2 percent. That figure is wrong and miss leading to anyone that opens their eyes to reality... This lie is not a reason to deny refugees asylum but it sure as hell is not a reason to allow it either. Butch The only thing it is absolute proof of is there were indeed men in that group. I am glad you seem to know they are all Muslims hell bent on causing terror as it will help me to sleep better at night. [8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:56:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: Politesub53 ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Chamberlain followed suit with his predecessors from centuries back. The British policy was always to avoid war at all costs (almost all costs). See Napoleon, WW1, WW2 etc. Not true. The britts had declared war on germany when germany attacked poland. They had sent an expiditioary force to france to fight the germans. I am simply pointing out that calling the french cowards when it was the britts who ran away is historically inaccurate. [/quote] The notion the British Army ran away is bullshit, historically speaking. Hisstoricaly speaking the britts ran away at dunkirk leaving enough material to equip 80 divisions. They did not destroy it they left if for the germans along with 40,000 french soldiers. The combined English French and Belgian armies that advanced north in 1940 were all outflanked and out manouvered by fast moving german mechanised divisions. With few suppiles and large numbers of tanks etc needing repairs, plus German control of the skies, there were two options at Dunkirk, withdraw or surrender. Withdraw/runaway is always better than surrender. No disagreement from me on that point. The issue was the calling of the french cowards when in fact the french continued to fight after the britts had run away and claiming the opposite. Counter attack wasnt an option once the one at Arras had failed. Both fuller and hart discuss the arras affair and conclude that the french tankers had taken the measure of the german tankers until they came up agaist the fixed fortifications of the germans. Their tanks were superior to the germans but the mine fields changed the direction of the battle.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 4:59:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It is a mess and a human tragedy... Imagine the cost to those countries to maintain these camps... There are just no easy answers. Myself... getting into more trouble...believe the only answer is to force Muslim nations in the region to raise an army and with the support of Europe... the US...and Russia..defeat radicalism in the Middle East and restore functioning governments in the region. Then repatriate the refugees. Butch What is it with this repeated simplistic bullshit....... The Middle east is in turmoil, Sunni versus Shia. The Gulf States and the Saudis will do nothing to help the Shia, despite your fantasy notion that they will. Infact they seem to be fighting the Houthi in Yemen, who the west have labelled as AQ despite AQ being a Sunni organisation. The Russians are just beinng Russian and backing thier man Assad. The turks have decided to "join the fight against IS" but are only attacking the Kurds. As I said before, and you ignored, the US have just done a major arms deal with the Saudis, you wont do fuck all to jeopardise that, no matter which party leads congress.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 5:02:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Try reading post 440 . He could try reading what is taking place now in the UK. He wont, because it doesnt suit his narrative.

Politesub53 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 5:17:53 PM)
Thompson, my post was simbly about your notion that the British run away. You forgot to mention 140,000 French Belgians and Poles were also rescued at Dunkirk.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 5:25:49 PM)
ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thompson, my post was simbly about your notion that the British run away. You forgot to mention 140,000 French Belgians and Poles were also rescued at Dunkirk. You keep refusing to even notice my point. I think running away to fight another day is a good idea. My disagrement is with the characterazation of the french as cowards. That the french gave up which forced the britts to withdraw/run away when in fact it was the other way around. The dumbass part was not destroying all of that material left for jerry.

BamaD -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 6:08:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Thompson MUST be right freedomdwarf..................after all, the war didn't really begin until the end of 1941 did it ? And then all the heroes came into it and saved the world for democracy etc.,etc.,etc. He is never wrong mate so it's a waste of time arguing with him. His mind's made up so don't confuse him with facts. you should do as he does...................pick and choose the books you read and get your facts from the ones that agree with you and if you pick the same books as him, guess what ? you may find yourself agreeing with him !! He specializes in derailing threads. BTW I'm sure that he will point out that (in his all knowing opinion) that the Russians won the war. He will also point out that(in his all knowing opinion) he only post facts, not opinions.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 6:38:46 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD He specializes in derailing threads. I specialize in pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of dumbasses BTW I'm sure that he will point out that (in his all knowing opinion) that the Russians won the war. The historical record will verify that the russians did the heavy lifting in that conflict, suffered the most casualities and killed and captured more germans and jap soldiers than the anglo-american alliance. That that does not fit your flagwaving agenda seems to put a stick up your ass. He will also point out that(in his all knowing opinion) he only post facts, not opinions. Wrong again...I post my opinions which are subject to interpretation but the facts I back my opinions up with are not. That also seems to put a stick up your ass. Now if that offends you either order in a case of k-y or stop posting ignorant/stupid shit.

kdsub -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 7:08:07 PM)
quote: Sunni versus Shia. Which were the French that were killed? Butch

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 7:13:02 PM)
The Russians were about a week in the war with the Japanese, unless they were fighting before they declared war, but then NO, they wouldn't do that would they ? Especially when they were fighting an already beaten, under-supplied, low morale, under-equipped enemy. you really are a London Sparrow Thompson and some of us know what the London Sparrow is famous for. Ask Greta smile

CreativeDominant -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 7:27:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: As much as I'd like to believe this, I think humans have a deep seated need to differentiate oneself from another. Humans will always find a reason to declare one group as superior and certain fringe elements will always advocate for the elimination of the "inferior" group. Then why not eliminate one of those reasons? The stupidest reason of all . . . the belief that an invisible man living in the sky who spends all his time obsessing over what we do with our genitalia and issuing commands over what to do about it. Just one problem, Marc; until you can prove to believers....definitively...that there is no God, you cannot eliminate that reason. How about some scientific cites of the proof of God's invalidity? Not just arguments. Proof.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 7:40:48 PM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 The Russians were about a week in the war with the Japanese, unless they were fighting before they declared war, but then NO, they wouldn't do that would they ? I gave you the name of the book and it is available to read on line free. Especially when they were fighting an already beaten, under-supplied, low morale, under-equipped enemy. That would be an unsuported opinion would it not? you really are a London Sparrow Thompson and some of us know what the London Sparrow is famous for. Ask Greta smile Like all birds of flight they shit on targets of opportunity. I on the other hand point out flaws in peoples uncritical acceptance of "everyone knows that ..." Now mate I have read many of your post and you seem a logical sort so this uncritical criticism seem a little out of the norm for you.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 8:25:52 PM)
Have you ever felt that it may be YOU that is reading the wrong literature ? YOU that may have listened to the wrong propaganda ? Of course not. you are NEVER wrong. As to your book, I think I would prefer to read the local telephone directory...........I stopped reading war-fiction when I left primary school..............the criticism is not uncritical it's just that you like to criticise.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/18/2015 8:31:09 PM)
oh, and sparrows don't target anything. They just spread their shit around wholesale and make a lot of noise while they do it. Probably in the hope they will be seen as big and important. It doesn't work with them either.

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