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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:10:29 PM   
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We have 80% home ownership.

That is a crock of shit. 80% of the people in your third world country live in government subsidized housing. Only 10% of your country lives in homes with a comercial mortgage.


We are dedicated to eradicating poverty and making sure everybody can improve their lives and live well. People complain that we have one of the worst wealth gaps in the world, but we are talking multi-millions versus someone who makes 60k per annum. We don't have people living below poverty line. I think our country is doing a damn good job in making life good for everybody.

Perhas if you lived there you might get a clue about what life is like in singapore.



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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:13:43 PM   
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Thompson, if you get your ass down to Singapore, I will meet you for lunch. I dare you :).



I have been to singapore and I did not loose a phoquing thing there so I have no intention of going back.
Vegas werx for me.




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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:14:25 PM   
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That is a crock of shit. 80% of the people in your third world country live in government subsidized housing. Only 10% of your country lives in homes with a comercial mortgage.


My government subsidised housing can be sold for profit. Many of us makes hundreds of thousands of dollars flipping them, so if we can sell our government housing for profit, it's as good as a commercial mortgage. Also our government subsidised housing is not cheap. It's smaller than the homes you have in US. My brother is getting a newly built one and his still paying 600k for it, after subsidized price. People still need a certain wealth to own one. That still says alot about how they are eliminating poverty and allowing people to afford government housing at non-cheap price.

Current exchange rate is what? 1.4sgd = 1usd

So even if you do the math, and a regular home for 600k is like only 800sqft. It takes wealth to own it, and to achieve 80% is a big deal.

My brother's subsidised government home will be worth 1 mil in a few years and he can flip it for profit. So it's worth the investment.




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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:19:50 PM   
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That is a crock of shit. 80% of the people in your third world country live in government subsidized housing. Only 10% of your country lives in homes with a comercial mortgage.[/quote]

My government subsidised housing can be sold for profit.

Government subsidzed housing is socialism which you claim your third world country does not have. Now you admit it.

Many of us makes hundreds of thousands of dollars flipping them, so if we can sell our government housing for profit, it's as good as a commercial mortgage.


Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.






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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:25:18 PM   
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Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.



It's not socialism when it's not free. Just that instead of buying homes from private developers, we buy them from the government. You know our government runs like pure capitalism. They don't pool money together to subsidise everyone. 60% of the population pays zero income tax. Majority of the 40% that pays only pay 5%. And then the top rate is only 20%, but that's for ppl who make 300k and above per annum. I mean, the government housing is making profit from us. That's not socialism. They just found a win win solution where everybody wins and everybody makes money. By being the largest housing developer in the country, they are able to compete with commercial developers and come out to be the most affordable. It's monopoly and capitalism.


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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:29:13 PM   
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Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.


It's not socialism when it's not free. Just that instead of buying homes from private developers, we buy them from the government. You know our government runs like pure capitalism. They don't pool money together to subsidise everyone. 60% of the population pays zero income tax. Majority of the 40% that pays only pay 5%. And then the top rate is only 20%, but that's for ppl who make 300k and above per annum. I mean, the government housing is making profit from us. That's not socialism. They just found a win win solution where everybody wins and everybody makes money.

Get a clue...government subsidy is socialism.


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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 5:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think government subsidy is just the peppering, all of us Singaporeans know they are profiting. I wouldn't call it subsidy. It's just officially claimed as subsidised housing. When you are selling some new projects for close to 1mil, for a mickey mouse sized apartment, that is so tiny, and call that government subsidised. Some kind of subsidies that is. I bet in real socialist countries, that would be an outrage.



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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 6:28:08 PM   
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I think government subsidy is just the peppering, all of us Singaporeans know they are profiting. I wouldn't call it subsidy. It's just officially claimed as subsidised housing. When you are selling some new projects for close to 1mil, for a mickey mouse sized apartment, that is so tiny, and call that government subsidised. Some kind of subsidies that is. I bet in real socialist countries, that would be an outrage.


Your third world dump is a fascist barbaric state that that beats petty criminals with a stick and has more phoquing ways to tax a person out of his shorts than I have ever encountered. It is commonly refered to "a fine place...they fine you for this,they fine you for that...it is a fine place to be from...far from". It is not a socialist state. It does employ some aspects of socialism which you refuse to admit.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 7:19:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, I can never recognise our government as socialist at all, since we pay for everything and nothing is free.
Everyone pay their share. To me, a socialist state is when the wealthy subsidises the poor. Like what Bernie is promoting. That's what our opposition wants too. They call it a more humane society. But I think it's not a very fair system.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 7:51:22 PM   
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Yea, I can never recognise our government as socialist at all, since we pay for everything and nothing is free.
Everyone pay their share. To me, a socialist state is when the wealthy subsidises the poor. Like what Bernie is promoting. That's what our opposition wants too. They call it a more humane society. But I think it's not a very fair system.

Well here in amerika the rich are subsidized by the not rich. Like your bud donnie the dumb.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 11:32:35 PM   
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I watched both speeches (Obama and Hollande) and I couldn't help thinking: "Dayum! I know we couldn't avoid a socialist president in this country because of all the low-information types, just trying to vote themselves more shit, but why couldn't we have gotten a socialist more like the French did?"

Obama was angrier about people questioning his desire to let 10,000 of his Muslim brethren into our country than he was about the fact that a bunch of his Muslim brethren have declared war on us.



Michael

There's a lot we agree on and why I haven't had reason to go after your posts but I still fail to see the socialism. In fact food stamps were cut, no SS raise. I mean what is the difference between people taking advantage of govt. programs that existed before Obama got in and Exxon or GE doing the same ? We've had corp. 'food stamps' for 40 years and even CATO has published studies on corp. welfare and welfare for corps. with Billion$ in profits.

Plus presidents get angry at the sniping all of the time so what's new about people, partisans or not carping about differences in reaction at any given moment ? And just how is it that Obama is a muslim ? I mean this admin.'s drone war has killed more Muslims than any previous admin. Even on immigration, by the numbers, Obama is called 'Deporter in Chief.'

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/18/2015 11:46:18 PM   
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Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.


It's not socialism when it's not free. Just that instead of buying homes from private developers, we buy them from the government. You know our government runs like pure capitalism. They don't pool money together to subsidise everyone. 60% of the population pays zero income tax. Majority of the 40% that pays only pay 5%. And then the top rate is only 20%, but that's for ppl who make 300k and above per annum. I mean, the government housing is making profit from us. That's not socialism. They just found a win win solution where everybody wins and everybody makes money.

Get a clue...government subsidy is socialism.



The top 1040 rate is now almost 40%, Socialism by its classical and not partisan definition, is the ownership of production.

If subsidy counts as socialism then we have the most profitable corp, socialists in the world and the richest socialists in the world...on wall street.

1/3 of the very profitable fortune 500 don't pay ANY federal income taxes at all. Are they socialist ? Investment in K. St (lobbies) is $30 quantifiable return for every $1 invested.

Look at agriculture, it's ridiculous. A close relative by marriage in Lima, Oh. said at the dinner table, "I didn't know what I was going to do, if it weren't for...what ?" A farm owner and farmer, that did no farming, he was 'self-employed' as an auto mechanic, who didn't seem to work on many cars at all. He got $50,000 from the federal govt. and $10,000 from the Ohio govt. So the answer to his question, he was going to continue...to do nothing.

The sector of the population that most lobbies for housing subsidies and the mortgage deductions...are the builders. How is it do you think, that FHA still insures McMansions ?

The reason that more wage earners at the bottom 1/2 of the income scale are paying less in taxes, is because they are getting poorer, i.e., making less money.

Get a clue ? Subsidy it berry berry profitable.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 12:45:14 AM   
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Intresting commentary and it leads back to my post 2 in this thread.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 1:12:17 AM   
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There's a lot we agree on and why I haven't had reason to go after your posts but I still fail to see the socialism. In fact food stamps were cut, no SS raise. I mean what is the difference between people taking advantage of govt. programs that existed before Obama got in and Exxon or GE doing the same ? We've had corp. 'food stamps' for 40 years and even CATO has published studies on corp. welfare and welfare for corps. with Billion$ in profits.

Plus presidents get angry at the sniping all of the time so what's new about people, partisans or not carping about differences in reaction at any given moment ? And just how is it that Obama is a muslim ? I mean this admin.'s drone war has killed more Muslims than any previous admin. Even on immigration, by the numbers, Obama is called 'Deporter in Chief.'



Because you have never engaged in ad hominem attacks, I will post this, one more time. I have posted it many times, before. I get bored with providing information to the less research-minded posters when they demand "links!" only to have them ignore those links. I doubt you'll do that.

Also, I should say that at the time Dumbo ears was running for his first time, it was my job to research him. I did NOT post my research here but what I am about to post is (similar) results from another user.

Here it is (in a different color for clarity):

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Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[1]


Obama believes this.

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Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other.


And fits this bill.

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Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.


Obama is the latter.

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Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs; Libertarian socialism (which includes Socialist Anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy


He's the former.

So on listed definitions, Obama is four out of four. Should you wish to move past socialism and into Marxist Communism, I personally think he fulfills 7 of 10 planks if you grade liberally.

The amusing part is if Obama had been running for an office in some country in Europe, he could have just been upfront and said "I'm a socialist", and noone would care.



Socialist. Always has been, always will be.

While I don't have three sources that are willing to come forward (even to this day), I have four people who have knowledge of Obummer's religious leanings. Only two are willing to go on record (and even that needs to be semi-anonymous). However; mark my words: when Dumbo ears is out of office about 3 years or so, he will admit to being a Nation of Islam member and a bunch of douche canoes around here will owe me an apology or they will be exposed as the ignorant and ill-mannered slugs that they are (again; that's not about you, Mr. Rodgers).

Remember, please: his intent was to "fundamentally change America." I say: "The scumbag's done it."



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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 4:24:42 AM   
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Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.


It's not socialism when it's not free. Just that instead of buying homes from private developers, we buy them from the government. You know our government runs like pure capitalism. They don't pool money together to subsidise everyone. 60% of the population pays zero income tax. Majority of the 40% that pays only pay 5%. And then the top rate is only 20%, but that's for ppl who make 300k and above per annum. I mean, the government housing is making profit from us. That's not socialism. They just found a win win solution where everybody wins and everybody makes money.

Get a clue...government subsidy is socialism.



The top 1040 rate is now almost 40%,

That is more than a little disingenuous. The tax rate is graduated, as you well know.



Socialism by its classical and not partisan definition, is the ownership of production.

Where then does socialism exist by that singular definition?

If subsidy counts as socialism then we have the most profitable corp, socialists in the world and the richest socialists in the world...on wall street.

I agree

1/3 of the very profitable fortune 500 don't pay ANY federal income taxes at all. Are they socialist ? Investment in K. St (lobbies) is $30 quantifiable return for every $1 invested.

Dope dealers can only dream about such profit margins

Look at agriculture, it's ridiculous. A close relative by marriage in Lima, Oh. said at the dinner table, "I didn't know what I was going to do, if it weren't for...what ?" A farm owner and farmer, that did no farming, he was 'self-employed' as an auto mechanic, who didn't seem to work on many cars at all. He got $50,000 from the federal govt. and $10,000 from the Ohio govt. So the answer to his question, he was going to continue...to do nothing.

How does the song go...money for nothing and chicks for free...

The sector of the population that most lobbies for housing subsidies and the mortgage deductions...are the builders. How is it do you think, that FHA still insures McMansions ?

That would be the socialism that the rich keep whining about.

The reason that more wage earners at the bottom 1/2 of the income scale are paying less in taxes, is because they are getting poorer, i.e., making less money.

Yup

Get a clue ? Subsidy it berry berry profitable.

Since day one.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 4:25:48 AM   
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Commercial mortgage= free enterprise. Government subsidized mortgages= sociaism...get a clue.




Get a clue...government subsidy is socialism.



The top 1040 rate is now almost 40%,

That is more than a little disingenuous. The tax rate is graduated, as you well know.



Socialism by its classical and not partisan definition, is the ownership of production.

Where then does socialism exist by that singular definition?

If subsidy counts as socialism then we have the most profitable corp, socialists in the world and the richest socialists in the world...on wall street.

I agree

1/3 of the very profitable fortune 500 don't pay ANY federal income taxes at all. Are they socialist ? Investment in K. St (lobbies) is $30 quantifiable return for every $1 invested.

Dope dealers can only dream about such profit margins

Look at agriculture, it's ridiculous. A close relative by marriage in Lima, Oh. said at the dinner table, "I didn't know what I was going to do, if it weren't for...what ?" A farm owner and farmer, that did no farming, he was 'self-employed' as an auto mechanic, who didn't seem to work on many cars at all. He got $50,000 from the federal govt. and $10,000 from the Ohio govt. So the answer to his question, he was going to continue...to do nothing.

How does the song go...money for nothing and chicks for free...

The sector of the population that most lobbies for housing subsidies and the mortgage deductions...are the builders. How is it do you think, that FHA still insures McMansions ?

That would be the socialism that the rich keep whining about.

The reason that more wage earners at the bottom 1/2 of the income scale are paying less in taxes, is because they are getting poorer, i.e., making less money.

Yup

Get a clue ? Subsidy it berry berry profitable.

Since day one.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 2:33:28 PM   
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well.. the US has a secret weapon against terrorism.. The Donald!!!


I say we deploy the secret weapon to the Middle Ease asap!


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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 2:37:25 PM   
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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 2:40:44 PM   
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send him there by himself.

He has to take that mop with him.

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RE: ISIS can't attack the US - 11/19/2015 2:45:21 PM   
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http://www.kpho.com/story/30522357/isis-unable-to-attack-us-officials-say
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ISIS unable to attack US, officials say
The Obama administration is trying to calm fears of an ISIS attack in the United States like the one in Paris on Friday.
Officials say ISIS would like to launch similar attacks on U.S. soil, but their ability to do so is limited.
Deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said a key difference is that thousands of fighters returned to Europe after going to Syria.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said earlier this year that the number being tracked in the U.S. is around 40. Clapper also said he wasn't aware of any that had been involved in terror plots since returning to the U.S.
The success of ISIS in America has come mostly from recruiting and motivating sympathizers online, according to officials.

Seriously?

Its interesting that Obama isn't using this opportunity to scare the shit out of your country. Our PM is doing the opposite and using this atrocity to manipulate the population of Britain into accepting military deployment and surrender more of its civil liberties (implementing more snooping laws). He has told us all that we are in VERY real danger. Truth is, we are in more danger once we use military deployment but not before.
I'm impressed that the American government isn't doing this too.


To be fair, I think most Americans would laugh at it, and, well, Britain is a bit closer to France than the US is.

We're already taking action (and have taken action) in the Middle East due, in part, by the Administration attempting to scare Americans into accepting action (note: I'm not saying previous administrations didn't do this, nor am I saying the GOP is blameless). We've been told that we have to take military action in the Middle East because it's about our "National Security."
That hasn't actually been correct since we went into Afghanistan to go after al Qaeda.

We've sent the FBI to France to help, though. I would have thought the CIA would have been better, as they are more focused on goings on external to the US, but, FBI agents have been sent over.

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