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LadyConstanze -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 10:40:30 AM)
Or you could say you go for a pizza and a bottle of wine to a small Italian restaurant with a friend and you pay maybe $50 to 80, or you can have one of Mr Puck's pizzas with a bottle of nice wine and you add a zero, you can get get handbags or shoes for under $100 or you want a certain brand and you are again adding a zero, it depends how exclusive you want it to be, same with the oldest profession, you can scratch the itch pretty cheap in shady places or you can have an escort that looks like she should be in movies or on a runway, she might not watch the clock and even act like she's totally into you, but you pay for the acting.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 12:51:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact He wasn't paying for the sex. He was paying them to go away. This is an excellent point. I guess, in all the cases I mentioned, the "damage" from being outed was greater than the worth of the sex act itself, so, I guess the likes of Sheen and Odom and Hugh Grant, etc., are paying upscale prices, not for the sex, but for the anonymity it affords. Following through with that thought, one can understand that they seek a "reputable" establishment, that gets paid well NOT to try to make their money off of the celebrity publicity, but off the (especially high) payment itself. This makes a lot of business sense. The risk of being "outed" is less with the "name brand" more expensive establishment. For example, hasn't Heidi Fliess still kept her celebrity clientele secret? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Jerod Foggle is the one that I think is different. he did have his struggles with periods of his life that he wasn't seen as sexually desirable. I only recently read about Jarod Fogle, and only after he was arrested (I have never seen his Subway ads, and, well, truth be told, I don't watch TV or cable, so, that's most likely where they were aired). Apparently he was a "fat guy", but, now, apparently, he has a wife and kids, so, one would think he didn't need to spend $1,000 a month on sex workers. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Is it possible that some people are so impacted by not being wanted that the only way they feel people want to be with them is that they try to buy the affections/sexual gratification from others? Heh heh ... I'm almost at that point myself! Only I'm a cheapskate, and I don't want to waste the money.

LadyPact -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 1:53:10 PM)
Probably going to be long, so hang with me. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets This is another fair observation, in that someone paying $1,000/hour, presumably gets a woman who, um, doesn't have the commoner's sauces still sticking to her seat. (Presumably, any woman able to command that price, doesn't stoop to the paltry level of the $100/hour range, and therefore, by deduction, "is cleaner" or "classier" or at least "better" in some way.) I have to be totally fair here. I really don't know all that much about the sex trade, so much of what I'm saying is assumption. I would have to think, once getting in a certain price range, you could pretty much order anything that you felt like having, depending what you are willing to pay for. If you wanted a beautiful blonde, in a black evening gown, just the right shoes, certain age... Show up where you wanted her to, leave when you wanted her to... All of those things must up the price. quote: As an aside, I remember being surprised, when the Ellot Spitzer conversations were reported, that the madam mentioned to the hooker that he would try to talk her into the GFE, whereas the hooker herself confidantly reported back to the madam that she'd be able to hold him off on that request. Maybe the GFE isn't what he paid for. Could be a different rate. Trying for repeat business, perhaps? quote: So, even for four thousand bucks (he was there four hours), he still doesn't even get what every guy gets from his own girlfriend every day. I'd have to think he got something for the four grand. [;)] Instead of one post, this might be better as two. [:)]

LadyPact -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 2:25:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets This is an excellent point. I guess, in all the cases I mentioned, the "damage" from being outed was greater than the worth of the sex act itself, so, I guess the likes of Sheen and Odom and Hugh Grant, etc., are paying upscale prices, not for the sex, but for the anonymity it affords. At the time, I think Hugh Grant's career took a hit for it. Up until then, he was being cast in nice guy/romantic roles. Kind of hard for the studios to promote that kind of flick with the scandal being splashed everywhere. On the other hand, I think people have gotten used to Charlie Sheen's antics. (Not that I compare the two's careers at all, mind you, but Sheen did do a lot of low budget crap there for a while.) quote: Following through with that thought, one can understand that they seek a "reputable" establishment, that gets paid well NOT to try to make their money off of the celebrity publicity, but off the (especially high) payment itself. This makes a lot of business sense. I think so. Maybe now more than ever. quote: The risk of being "outed" is less with the "name brand" more expensive establishment. For example, hasn't Heidi Fliess still kept her celebrity clientele secret? I'd have to think so. Especially since celebrity gossip makes news and sex makes even bigger news. Somebody not turning folks over to the tabloids has to increase the price. quote: I only recently read about Jarod Fogle, and only after he was arrested (I have never seen his Subway ads, and, well, truth be told, I don't watch TV or cable, so, that's most likely where they were aired). Apparently he was a "fat guy", but, now, apparently, he has a wife and kids, so, one would think he didn't need to spend $1,000 a month on sex workers. Have you not been in a Subway in the past decade? I know you have them there. I'm sure you've read by now, the guy actually lost all of the weight by eating Subway sandwiches, rather than other types of fast food. About the same time that there was all that fuss about how bad other chains were for people, studies on childhood obesity linked to other places, etc. An advertising firm's wet dream, really. Living proof that eating their food could make a person lose weight? Do you realize what the weight loss industry makes each year? Tapping into that was a gold mine. quote: Heh heh ... I'm almost at that point myself! Only I'm a cheapskate, and I don't want to waste the money. That's the thing, isn't it? Do you know how people who win serious money-type lotteries or find sudden fame say they will still be who they were before, won't buy the big house, or start living luxuriously? Yet, many of them do because once you have money to burn, it's very easy to become accustomed to it. From what I was reading today, that same compulsion that got the man to eat too much before he started losing the weight went from compulsive eating to hyper sexuality. (That's how he's been diagnosed, anyway.) Meaning, he still had the compulsive drive. He just switched what his compulsion was about. On top of that, you can't really think of Fogle like Sheen. Women aren't exactly throwing their panties at a guy like Jerod. Yes, he got the wife but I think he was still missing that sexually attractive element that many people crave. That's what I think messed him up. For the record, I do want to say that what landed him in jail is deplorable. If the guy was just spending twelve grand a year on adult interaction, I'd have said it wasn't for me but I don't care. The other stuff? I'm kind of glad he got the fifteen years. For his sake, he might want to hope they don't put him in general pop.

mnottertail -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 2:27:36 PM)
Don't know about $1000, but I would take a nickles worth of blowjob right now. Jus' sayin'

DerangedUnit -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 3:52:22 PM)
Ive found that people pay more to not have sex than they do to get some... in charlie sheens case he should have to pay millions(or be in jail) for giving people hiv. With hiv you CANNOT HAVE A ONE NIGHT STAND it is completely possible to not pass it if both parties are on antivirals... just him being on antivirals would not protect the other person.antivirals for herpes are now considered party drugs because idiots dont get that you both have to take them. Add in the fact that most people dont show symptoms and that means people dont get tested... of all the people ive known women were much more likely to get tested despite having drastically fewer sexual partners across the board... people who purposely go around killing people just for a fresh pussy are monsters and deserve to be put down. Especially considering its completely preventable if both parties are aware and prepared.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 5:02:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs This isn't a question, but a rumination on what I read in the news about the amount that some people PAY for sex ... where your observations are requested based on the fact that some people seem to pay through the nose simply to satisfy their basic sexual needs. Everyone who reads the news knows of plenty of people whose lives were ruined by illicit sex, but, what also amazes me is that some (admittedly wealthy) people pay a huge amount for normal "vanilla" sex (into which, I'll also include a prostitution transaction). For example, just now, in the news, it's reported that, wholly aside from the illegal underage crimes for which he's going to prison for over 15 years, Jared Fogle "admitted to paying a minimum of about $12,000 a year for sex". Also in today's news, Charlie Sheen has said, off camera, that sex has cost him up to 10 million dollars just to keep quiet multiple women he told about his undetectable but still existent HIV, so that he could have sex with them. Lamar Odom's credit card was billed over $25,000 per day for an extended 3-day stay at a Nevada brothel. And this is only the relatively recent news. What amazes me is that the COST for mere sex is essentially astronomical, which, must mean, by looking at the other side of the equation, that the VALUE is correspondingly high. Yet, I find that hard to believe. Is sex really that hard to come by that some people spend thousands to millions, per sex act? Well, the numbers are staggering indeed, no question but....did you buy fuel today? Bread, eggs, meat? Some percentage of your housing? Electricity? And therein lies the rub...you paid for what you desired most.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 6:53:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Have you not been in a Subway in the past decade? I know you have them there. I'm sure you've read by now, the guy actually lost all of the weight by eating Subway sandwiches, rather than other types of fast food. Actually, I don't think I've eaten a Subway sandwich (we called them "hero subs" back east since I was a starving kid in college, studying late, we'd make a run to the local sandwich shop and order "everything on it, and lots of it!". I'm such a "P" personality, that when they ask "what bread", I would just tell them to pick. When they ask mustard or mayo, again, I say, "you pick". Same with the pickles and onions, and everything else. I could eat, and eat, and eat, and nothing stuck. Oh, those were the days.... Where was I? Oh, yeah, this Fogle guy. I truly never heard of the guy before he was arrested. Then I looked him up. Seems he has a wife and kids, and was just perfect in all ways, except one. He needed sex. So he paid for it. Never lower than at the rate of $1,000/month. Assuming each encounter was, oh, $200 to $300, that makes it roughly once a week according to his defense lawyer. That's all I really know (other than the part about the underage girls, but, this thread isn't about that). So why did this guy, who had a wife, feel he needed to pay for sex with sex workers at the rate of once a week? I guess that's a different question than the one in this thread, which is just that he paid so much (and boy, did he pay for his sex).

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 7:05:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie you paid for what you desired most. That reminds me, our property taxes are due very soon... Your point is fair, that people pay for sex because they desire sex, but, let's take Lamar Odom as an example. He paid for full service from two hookers for three days, and, the total cost was $75K. Assume the room and amenities were around $5K/night or even $10K/night, that leaves $35K for the two sex workers for the three nights. Whew! Now that's a good business proposition. It's utterly amazing he spent that much money for sex (or for the girls to keep quiet, as has been mentioned, or for the convenience of all three holes, or whatever). Just amazing. Then again, I guess it compares to being married. In fact, I remember there used to be a web site called costperfuck.com where married guys at the office would input their net worth, and then the measly once or twice a week sex that they had with their wives, where the calculation revealed that, for most, the "costperfuck" would be in the tens of thousands of dollars each. Of course, some had divide-by-zero errors, but that's another story when the costperfuck approaches infinity. :)

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 7:21:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Or you could say you go for a pizza and a bottle of wine to a small Italian restaurant with a friend and you pay maybe $50 to 80, or you can have one of Mr Puck's pizzas with a bottle of nice wine and you add a zero, you can get get handbags or shoes for under $100 or you want a certain brand and you are again adding a zero, it depends how exclusive you want it to be, same with the oldest profession, you can scratch the itch pretty cheap in shady places or you can have an escort that looks like she should be in movies or on a runway, she might not watch the clock and even act like she's totally into you, but you pay for the acting. All good points. This is likely one of the most likely reasons that some people pay through the nose for, presumably, higher quality sex. I simply question whether the sex is actually higher quality. I don't know (I never paid that much!). Maybe I should set up a giveforward fund, so that I can run the experiment. 1. You guys all fund me (only .37 cents each!) 2. With 2,082,461 registered users of collarchat, that's oh, ... click click ... click ... hmmm ... that's over $700,000 3. I promise to spend that 700K that you've donated wisely, and only for experiments seeking out the truth Let's see, at Odom's rate, that's about a month at the Bunny Ranch with two ladies (you can choose them for me, as that would be a single-blind experiment). Or, at Jared's rate, that's, oh, about 60 years worth of hookers. Unfortunately, it's not even one of Charlie Sheen's babes, but, heck, according to DerangedUnit, they all might have HIV by now anyway ... so ... who wants spoiled goods anyway. I promise, after the experiment is up, to tell you which hookers were better, whether they were a measly $1,000 per night, or $10,000 per night (each). (PS: Maybe I'll throw in a few hundred $300 hookers ... just to make sure that my studies have a statistically valid sample size.)

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 7:31:15 PM)
In all seriousness, what we've heard is: You pay high to keep them quiet They're paid well, so that they disappear even better They're higher quality (cleaner, classier, better at sex?) You pay for the expectation that they do whatever you ask of them (except for the GFE?) You pay for selection (e.g., that one, with the red dress, and the black heels, and, for Jared, that petite 20-year old over there with the little tits) You are just wasting your money but, you have a lot of it anyway, so, nobody is counting (except Odom's accountant, who initially balked at the paying the bill). I wonder. I really do. Why they pay so much for something so common? I mean, I guess they're all gonna be pretty at those rates. And, we can presume, if all their clients are at the high end, we can assume that they will be relatively clean (but then again, who can possibly be clean who has had sex with 1,000 people?). I really don't know. Does a $200 hooker talk to the press more so than a $,1000 hooker? Is there really more selection in a room of $1,000 hookers than in a room filled with $300 hookers (as in Las Vegas)? Dunno. I really need to set up that donation fund to find out. Just 37 cents! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb_epsuLqA

LadyPact -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 8:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets Actually, I don't think I've eaten a Subway sandwich (we called them "hero subs" back east since I was a starving kid in college, studying late, we'd make a run to the local sandwich shop and order "everything on it, and lots of it!". I'm such a "P" personality, that when they ask "what bread", I would just tell them to pick. When they ask mustard or mayo, again, I say, "you pick". Same with the pickles and onions, and everything else. I could eat, and eat, and eat, and nothing stuck. Oh, those were the days.... Where was I? Oh, yeah, this Fogle guy. I truly never heard of the guy before he was arrested. Then I looked him up. Seems he has a wife and kids, and was just perfect in all ways, except one. He needed sex. So he paid for it. Never lower than at the rate of $1,000/month. Assuming each encounter was, oh, $200 to $300, that makes it roughly once a week according to his defense lawyer. I haven't read anything about frequency or rate. Just the rough figure. Depending on how often he was making his business trips, as he called them, I'd think a person could rack up a grand for two or three hours, depending. The wife thing (while I will say I feel for her because she must be mortified) doesn't really play into it if we're talking about a real sexual addiction. (Sorry, kink fans. I really do think sexual addiction exists.) Having the sexy wife at home doesn't change that. Different city, can afford the price, and that guy wasn't getting away with picking up somebody in a bar. Even if he could, he'd be recognized. Not a chance a guy wants to take since he's supposed to be representing a healthy lifestyle. quote: That's all I really know (other than the part about the underage girls, but, this thread isn't about that). There's really not much that can be said. Well, except for that part that I think it's particularly scummy since the beginnings of that were through the supposed charity foundation. I hope they hang that f^cker up, too. quote: So why did this guy, who had a wife, feel he needed to pay for sex with sex workers at the rate of once a week? I doubt it was once a week. I could see a grand going easily in one or two times a month. If nothing else, even though I think it goes deeper than that, at the very minimum, there is the confidentiality factor. He wasn't married to the most recent wife that long, but depending on the pre-nup, she might have stood to make a nice chunk of change if she divorced him for infidelity. Not to mention being possibly dumped by the company (wanna bet there wasn't a morality clause in it?) where the money was coming from, I think anybody would be looking to keep it quiet. The guy is worth 15 million dollars. quote: I guess that's a different question than the one in this thread, which is just that he paid so much (and boy, did he pay for his sex). Yeah, and he's going to be paying for the next fifteen years.

littleclip -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 9:09:58 PM)
the professional brothels here in nv have never had a case of std contracted by any clients. the madams do not advertise any more than word of mouth. none of the workers are allowed to say who is a client of them. the workers also do escorts for dates at big events. the houses allpay taxes and support local schools even hosting field trips to learn more about the trade even having education classes. the rate of underage girls is a problem here as other areas we have special teams to tackle them even monitoring social media for pedophiles. no matter the social status there are those who are willing to pay for sex at least here its safe

focalss -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 10:12:43 PM)
I'm curious about how it is in Nevada and wondering how it affects women there who are not prostitutes but know that men can just go to a Brothel and more easily than some other places find a woman to have sex with. Does that make it easier for women or harder to deal with men they don't want to have sex with?

switchin4fun146 -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 10:28:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets Your point is fair, that people pay for sex because they desire sex, but, let's take Lamar Odom as an example. He paid for full service from two hookers for three days, and, the total cost was $75K. Assume the room and amenities were around $5K/night or even $10K/night, that leaves $35K for the two sex workers for the three nights. Whew! Now that's a good business proposition. It's utterly amazing he spent that much money for sex (or for the girls to keep quiet, as has been mentioned, or for the convenience of all three holes, or whatever). Just amazing. It's not amazing if you realize he's a drug addict. You've been mixing apples and oranges this whole thread.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/20/2015 11:03:56 PM)
focalss....................prostitution and brothels are legal here in Australia too but it's rather like pubs I would guess...............just because they are there doesn't mean the majority of people are going to go to them and/or get drunk. They are just a fact of life and a business, like your local supermarket, bar, or post office. They offer a service for which you will pay. you don't HAVE to go to them smile.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 2:08:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets In all seriousness, what we've heard is: You pay high to keep them quiet They're paid well, so that they disappear even better They're higher quality (cleaner, classier, better at sex?) You pay for the expectation that they do whatever you ask of them (except for the GFE?) You pay for selection (e.g., that one, with the red dress, and the black heels, and, for Jared, that petite 20-year old over there with the little tits) You are just wasting your money but, you have a lot of it anyway, so, nobody is counting (except Odom's accountant, who initially balked at the paying the bill). I wonder. I really do. Why they pay so much for something so common? I mean, I guess they're all gonna be pretty at those rates. And, we can presume, if all their clients are at the high end, we can assume that they will be relatively clean (but then again, who can possibly be clean who has had sex with 1,000 people?). I really don't know. Does a $200 hooker talk to the press more so than a $,1000 hooker? Is there really more selection in a room of $1,000 hookers than in a room filled with $300 hookers (as in Las Vegas)? Dunno. I really need to set up that donation fund to find out. Just 37 cents! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEb_epsuLqA Well, as for the $200 versus the $1000, the girls who charge from $1000 upwards (hour not night) have a steady rooster of clients, you never see them advertise, so if they'd talk to the press for a pay off, they would get a lump sum but no further business, you think anybody would risk 100K once for 100K or more monthly? In the music industry the manager would pretty often hire a "companion" for a tour or longer, just to keep the musician away from groupies for several reasons, one of them STDs, another one paternity suits, and then the worst one of all, minors (horny rockstars don't tend to ask for proof of age). A lot less expensive than a cancelled tour or recording due to the chap having medical treatment or being in jail for statutory rape, or paying alimony. The women were often semi-famous and supplementing the income they have as part time actresses or models and quite a few of them got career boosts due to the exposure the "romance" got in the media. Those girls aren't interested to let it be known that they were paid for sex. Then you got the whole other issue if somebody famous has "alternative tastes", they don't want that to get out, so somebody who's income depends on being discrete will pose less of a risk than somebody who's desperate to make ends meet, be it for the rent or narcotics, the working girls tend to take very good care of themselves, their income depends on it, so possibly a lot less risky in terms of health and discretion than somebody you pick up plying their trade on Backpage or a street corner.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 4:55:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: focalss I'm curious about how it is in Nevada and wondering how it affects women there who are not prostitutes but know that men can just go to a Brothel and more easily than some other places find a woman to have sex with. Does that make it easier for women or harder to deal with men they don't want to have sex with? I chuckled when i read this. Prostitutes are as available in Everytown USA as they are in Nevada. There's nothing different but the law. All women have, since the beginning of time, been competing with the hooker next door. In the days of the all-powerful monarchs, the kings and princes has so many women that the wife was just a formality, to be used only for rightful heirs and for cementing relationships with other kingdoms. These kings already had all the sex they could get, so, the LAST thing a wife was for, was sex.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 5:00:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: switchin4fun146 It's not amazing if you realize he's a drug addict. You've been mixing apples and oranges this whole thread. While the HIV could certainly have come from sharing needles, Sheen could probably afford a new needle for each $500 hit, don't you think? Anyway, what's amazing is how much the sex costs him, not his HIV status. BTW, would you kindly clarify where the apples and oranges are (metaphorically speaking)? What have I been mixing? The topic is a rumination on how much some (admittedly wealthy) people pay for sex (and why). I think we've all stayed on topic, haven't we?

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 5:18:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I haven't read anything about frequency or rate. Just the rough figure. Depending on how often he was making his business trips, as he called them, I'd think a person could rack up a grand for two or three hours, depending. His then-girlfriend franchise owner reported him to Subway and to the police (or so she says), where her lawyer said that Jared tried to persuade her to "sell herself" on Craigslist for $500 a pop, so that he could watch her with other men and women. At least that's what the FBI subpoena said (although, since she was a girlfriend, I wouldn't make too much of the "lewd text messages" titled here: The FBI has subpoenaed lewd text messages between Subway's Jared Fogle and a former Subway franchisee So, we can assume, for now, Jared's price was somewhere around $500 a pop. Given that all-in-one price (which seems a bit high to me for your average CL ad, so it's probably reasonable), Jared was having a minimum of 24 paid sexual encounters a year, which, if you think about it realistically, isn't all that much. In fact, it's paltry. Still, you wonder, why didn't his wife suffice (but that's a different topic because clearly she didn't).

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