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crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 5:27:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Well, as for the $200 versus the $1000, the girls who charge from $1000 upwards (hour not night) have a steady rooster of clients, you never see them advertise, so if they'd talk to the press for a pay off, they would get a lump sum but no further business, you think anybody would risk 100K once for 100K or more monthly? This answer makes the most sense, to me. They pay not for the sex, but for the friendDA that comes with paying for high-class hookers. Apparently, high-class hookers (like Heidi Fliess) don't kiss and tell. I think you must be right, because any 20 year old woman can be gorgeous. It doesn't take much to have a nice face with tits and legs and pretty hair that go along for the ride. Maybe half of all 20-year old girls are close to gorgeous; but even if we say the number who want to be hookers and who are gorgeous is only, oh, say, 1%, that's still millions of gorgeous women in the available pool. Supply and demand should work, right? With millions of gorgeous 20 year olds entering the market every year, you'd think the price would go down. So, you must be correct; it's not just the gorgeous girl; it's something else they're paying for. That they're paying for a FriendDA of sorts, makes the most sense because that is what is worth the most to them.

LadyPact -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 5:41:20 AM)
I don't think you can compare the two. I don't see them equaling out. Average woman you're offering money just isn't necessarily going to be as high as paying what an established rate is. (Geez, if that's how he was treating his former girlfriend, no big surprise she's an ex.) I don't wonder why the wife at home didn't suffice. If the guy really is a sex addict (completely possible if he transferred his food addiction to something else) it's not like he was saying to himself, "gee, I'm here for three days, I'll just wait to satisfy the urge until I get home." Not to mention, having the wife at home doesn't mean he was getting all of the sex he wanted. Two children in the last four years means there were periods of no sex at home and if the claim of his hyper-sexuality are true, her drive might not have been as big as his. That's not even getting into the areas that are ToS violations. I doubt he was ordering "mature" off of the menu. It wouldn't surprise me even if the legal ones were more young looking. As for just the money. Twelve grand probably doesn't seem like a whole lot over the course of a year to somebody who is worth fifteen million. Heck, I'm cheap and I could easily blow twelve grand in a year on entertainment if I had that kind of cash.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 6:15:18 AM)
I think it requires a bit more than mere prettiness and a willingness to let some guy penetrate you. Look at all the pretty girls who want to be models or actresses, only a fraction of them have the right genes to have "the look" and sex appeal, plus have to be high sexed enough to be able to do their jobs or good enough actresses to pretend they are totally into the guy, no matter how little they fancy him. They have to maintain their looks, in most cases have to be able to conduct themselves in a manner that doesn't give away their profession... I don't think what they are doing is an easy job. Look at them as highly skilled professionals... Additionally a guy who picks up women who are willing to have sex for money runs the risks of police stings (remember Hugh Grant?), if somebody famous approaches a woman and offers her money for sex, chances are he reads about it in the paper or gets a slap (normal reaction)

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 6:15:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I don't see them equaling out. Average woman you're offering money just isn't necessarily going to be as high as paying what an established rate is. I do very much realize there is a "going rate" (e.g., ten years ago it used to be around $200 for an hour with a "apartment massage" here in the Silicon Valley, which, even then, was a lower rate than in most of the country. I surmised, at the time, the reason was that geeks know how to use search engines, since most of the women were advertised on myredbook (which, last I checked, was finally taken over by the FBI after years of activity). The local Craigslist ads seem to be around that price, even now, given a cursory check I just ran a few moments ago (they use the term 'roses' or 'kisses' instead of 'dollars'). However, supply and demand MUST still play a role, since the going rate is always subject to someone undercutting the rate (unless it's like rent control where it's strongly regulated). And anyway, skirting the TOS a bit, apparently the less-mature crowd only demands $100, according to this news report today: FBI: Jared Fogle Paid $100 To Have Sex With 16-Year-Old Girl quote: ORIGINAL: FBI Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle's text messages were subpoenaed by the FBI this week after a former girlfriend claimed he bragged about having "amazing sex" with a teenage girl. According to Business Insider, the woman, who wishes to stay anonymous claimed she met Fogle while she was a Subway franchisee in 2008. The two developed a relationship, but things took a turn for the worst when he asked her several times she can go on Craigslist to have sex with men for $500 while he watched. In several texts connected to Fogle's name, the FBI says hundreds of text acquired from January 2008 to June 2008. He also asked the woman if they can have sex with her cousin, who was underaged at the time. The age of consent is 16 in Indiana, where Fogle resides. Here are some of the texts, via Business Insider: Woman: "Is this the same website you found that 16 year old girl you that you f****? ...I still can't believe you only paid $100 for her." Fogle: "It was amazing!!!!" quote:* ORIGINAL: LadyPact (Geez, if that's how he was treating his former girlfriend, no big surprise she's an ex.) Yep. This article says "The woman was apparently in a sexual relationship with Fogle at the time. She became uncomfortable with the relationship as Fogle pushed her to post listings on Craigslist and detailed other trysts, according to her lawyer". The FBI has subpoenaed lewd text messages between Subway's Jared Fogle and a former Subway franchisee

focalss -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 7:08:24 AM)
Another factor is the actual sex act, handjob, blowjob or penetration or other acts which this site is more familiar with. Most of the street hookers do not do penetration and the bj is really a handjob. Others said that what men are looking for a lot of times is a woman to talk to. Maybe I should say the price is different when there is penetration or fetish acts, because of the time involved in or for other reasons of supply and demand. In some ways its the reverse of non pros because the willingness to perform other acts is less driving up the price of fetish acts. Years ago (maybe in the 1950s and before) blow jobs I believe were more expensive but now I think they are cheaper I believe. Regarding availability and legality it does change the dynamics I think and I wonder how the women perceive it when it is legal in their area or that is part pf my question. Since that affects the price I think it fits in this thread rather than a separate thread but maybe I will start one on How women perceive legal prostitution affecting their relationships with men versus it not being legal. Does it make sex more or less expensive, or a date more or less expensive when it is legal? Maybe fetish acts also become more acceptable when more pros are doing them.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 7:42:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: focalss Regarding availability and legality it does change the dynamics I think and I wonder how the women perceive it when it is legal in their area or that is part pf my question. Since that affects the price I think it fits in this thread rather than a separate thread but maybe I will start one on How women perceive legal prostitution affecting their relationships with men versus it not being legal. Does it make sex more or less expensive, or a date more or less expensive when it is legal? Maybe fetish acts also become more acceptable when more pros are doing them. Why would it change anything? I think the only place where it's illegal is the US, when I lived there I didn't view it different than in Europe, while it wouldn't be my choice, it's up to the woman, if she's comfortable exchanging sex for money, it's her business and I prefer it if they don't have to rely on pimps for protection but get protection from the police if a customer gets too rough. This way you also create tax revenue, have health checks and the police can concentrate on busting people who force women into prostitution. As for the expenses, you go different classes of escorts everywhere, no matter if it is legal or not. So you get the from $50 to $5000 almost everywhere in the world. Personally I don't consider it more immoral than the married woman who withholds sex until she gets a piece of jewelry or a flashier car, it actually seems more honest. Again, it should be up to the women what they are comfortable with, after all it's their choice. I'm glad that there are women out there who are willing to do that job, because there are a lot of guys who simply wouldn't get laid otherwise and possibly be a real problem.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 2:01:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't consider it more immoral than the married woman who withholds sex until she gets a piece of jewelry or a flashier car

Dvr22999874 -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 2:11:54 PM)
Hear Hear Lady C. I agree totally.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 2:12:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I think it requires a bit more than mere prettiness and a willingness to let some guy penetrate you. Fair enough. Lots of pretty girls don't get paid $10,000/day like Lamar Odom's two hookers each did. So, they must supply something more than the pretty face and a place to put things. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Look at all the pretty girls who want to be models or actresses, only a fraction of them have the right genes to have "the look" and sex appeal, plus have to be high sexed enough to be able to do their jobs or good enough actresses to pretend they are totally into the guy, no matter how little they fancy him. They have to maintain their looks, in most cases have to be able to conduct themselves in a manner that doesn't give away their profession... Again, fair enough. It's sort of like being "classy". It's not just the teeth or the style, or the diction, or the type of car, or the way you treat others, etc., but the sum total of a myriad number of individual things. So, following that argument, the high-priced hookers must have striven to be classy in myriad ways, from the clothes they wear to whom they hang out with, and, specifically, to the point of this thread, to what and whom they tell after they kiss. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't think what they are doing is an easy job. Look at them as highly skilled professionals... They are. I agree. They are actors. The good ones make a guy feel good about himself. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Additionally a guy who picks up women who are willing to have sex for money runs the risks of police stings (remember Hugh Grant?), if somebody famous approaches a woman and offers her money for sex, chances are he reads about it in the paper or gets a slap (normal reaction) The police stings must be an inherent danger (as you mentioned, Hugh Grant found out). I think we can add the RISK of an arrest being part of the COST of the sex. So, it's not just $1,000 an hour, but, as in the case of Eliot Spitzer or Jimmy Swaggert, but their livelihood too. That's what gets me. It's soooooo expensive to lose your livelihood. Why not just get a mistress instead, like donald Sterling, Luciano Pavarotti or Francois Hollande did/do? Certainly they can pay to keep them in a style they can get used to. At least they'd be clean from the dripping sauces of others' hamburgers. The cost of a mistress would be just about the same as frequent hookers, wouldn't it?

littleclip -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/21/2015 10:56:52 PM)
yes I am so glad I have a loving owner so I don't have to pay for a pro Domme. in the elite of Europe many of them had such servants to minister to the prince queen and such. if the us would accept a more non traditional family dynamic where there is more than 2 in it we would have a much better time of it. I would enjoy being the service slave cooking cleaning and fixing things another could be the one to take out to fancy dinners and clubs and another could do all the bookwork budgets and such. now that would be a very happy dynamic

LadyConstanze -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/22/2015 5:46:24 AM)
I think with the high price working girls it's a combination of all things and then this unexplainable something called sex appeal... As for getting one steady mistress instead of several different girls, well, in that case you have a relationship again, plus I have a hunch that some of the guys prefer variety, that they also crave the novelty of a new body. Who knows, if they have the money and both parties are adults and know what's it all about, leave them to it, their business, it's not like them spending a lot of money on sex has a Bernie Madoff effect on the economy.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 3:38:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs This isn't a question, but a rumination on what I read in the news about the amount that some people PAY for sex ... where your observations are requested based on the fact that some people seem to pay through the nose simply to satisfy their basic sexual needs. Everyone who reads the news knows of plenty of people whose lives were ruined by illicit sex, but, what also amazes me is that some (admittedly wealthy) people pay a huge amount for normal "vanilla" sex (into which, I'll also include a prostitution transaction). For example, just now, in the news, it's reported that, wholly aside from the illegal underage crimes for which he's going to prison for over 15 years, Jared Fogle "admitted to paying a minimum of about $12,000 a year for sex". Also in today's news, Charlie Sheen has said, off camera, that sex has cost him up to 10 million dollars just to keep quiet multiple women he told about his undetectable but still existent HIV, so that he could have sex with them. Lamar Odom's credit card was billed over $25,000 per day for an extended 3-day stay at a Nevada brothel. And this is only the relatively recent news. What amazes me is that the COST for mere sex is essentially astronomical, which, must mean, by looking at the other side of the equation, that the VALUE is correspondingly high. Yet, I find that hard to believe. Is sex really that hard to come by that some people spend thousands to millions, per sex act? Who gives a fuck? If you wanna pay for it...pay for it...if you don't.....don't. Are you pissed off because you're not getting some of the action? WTF?

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 5:01:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Who gives a fuck? I realize it is hard for you to get the big picture when you start with such a small screen.

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 5:04:01 PM)
I had written this up yesterday morning, but couldn't get it in what with the site going down constantly ... Here is my response that I had saved for you, Lady Constanze. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I'm glad that there are women out there who are willing to do that job, because there are a lot of guys who simply wouldn't get laid otherwise and possibly be a real problem. Thank you for thinking of guys like me! Oh... what was that? That was for the thread on "Male subs: Self deprecation is annoying". Ooops. wrong thread. :) [image]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/television/2014/08/140821_TV_BoJAC.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg[/image] BTW, I looked up Jared Fogle a bit more and it turns out TWO WOMEN were creeped out by him enough to be feeding the FBI with their phone messages. One, Rochelle Herman-Walrond, secretly taped his conversations for FIVE YEARS, even to the point where he asked, of her own children quote: "What if we, what if we put a camera in your kids' room, would they be okay with that?," he asked her in the recording. "Would you rather have it in your son or your daughter's room? Which one do you think would be better?" This article goes on to explain the "grooming" that Jared used on the children, which, makes me sick if for no other reason that I was the victim at a very tender age of similar sex-related grooming (which bothers me to this day that I fell for it). FBI informant shares lurid details of Jared Fogle recordings In addition to those five years' worth of recordings, Jared's love interest franchisee, Cindy Mills, also recorded the lurid text messages involving sex acts. Subway Claims Their Management Team Was Not Alerted About Former Franchisee's Claims That Jared Fogle Admitted to Having Sex with Minors quote: Last week, former franchise owner Cindy Mills claimed that Fogle has told her that he had paid for sex with minors between the ages of 9 and 16 during a trip to Thailand. So, the more I find out about this Jared guy, the less I'm inclined to feel sorry for him now that he has 15 years to think about it in jail. [image]http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Jared-600-CI.jpg[/image]

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 5:20:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I think with the high price working girls it's a combination of all things and then this unexplainable something called sex appeal... Hmmmmm... Based on what I've learned from this thread, I have to wonder if "sex appeal" is the reason for the money. I'm beginning to think the real reason for the high value isn't sex appeal, at all. Of course, sex appeal is there aplenty, but, you can get that without shelling out all that much money, and, in the case of some of these guys, their wives have plenty of sex appeal (as far as we can tell as outsiders).<<<--- truth about sex is only in the bedroom though, which may belie our imaginations in ways we will never be privy to know! Besides, it seems that a LOT of these "arranged" high-price connections may be set up ahead of time, sight unseen; so, I wonder how much initial sex appeal there is for a sex worker who is "booked" by a receptionist or a Madam, where the guy pays, up front, without having yet seen the "goods". I'm sure he's "expecting" hot; but, I don't know if the guys actually know which babes they are getting (I don't really know how that booking process works. Do you?) [image]http://www.snapshots.net/cartoons/00676-funny-cartoons-prostitute.gif[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze As for getting one steady mistress instead of several different girls, well, in that case you have a relationship again, plus I have a hunch that some of the guys prefer variety, that they also crave the novelty of a new body. Variety is the spice of life, I can't deny that. Women don't want as much variety, it seems, at least not the way men do. This has been explained, in various ways, due to the biological COST of variety for women being a different equation than it is for men. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Who knows, if they have the money and both parties are adults and know what's it all about, leave them to it, their business, it's not like them spending a lot of money on sex has a Bernie Madoff effect on the economy. I agree it's their business. I'm an extremely strong "P" personality, so, I'm fine with anything that doesn't hurt someone. I just ruminate about WHAT they value in a $4000 prostitute that they can't get in a $400 prostitute. [image]http://media.santabanta.com/joke/visuals/10933.jpg[/image]

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 5:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Who gives a fuck? I realize it is hard for you to get the big picture when you start with such a small screen. No....I think it's a masturbatory effort on your part to waste such good bandwidth on whether or not someone does. If they wanna buy chocolates.....works for me. If they wanna buy a new Chevy.....works for me. If they wanna rent a chic.....works for me. Why do you give a shit? What in your life changes/improves or fails if they do? And so....I ask....who gives a fuck? Are you concerned that the volume that's occurring is affecting your affordability calcs? Is your cash running low?

LadyPact -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 5:46:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets BTW, I looked up Jared Fogle a bit more and it turns out TWO WOMEN were creeped out by him enough to be feeding the FBI with their phone messages. One, Rochelle Herman-Walrond, secretly taped his conversations for FIVE YEARS, even to the point where he asked, of her own children. In addition to those five years' worth of recordings, Jared's love interest franchisee, Cindy Mills, also recorded the lurid text messages involving sex acts. So, the more I find out about this Jared guy, the less I'm inclined to feel sorry for him now that he has 15 years to think about it in jail. I cut this down to address just certain parts. I think part of this does have to do with why some who are more affluent going for the idea of just hiring for during trips rather than having a kept woman. The latter gives the other person all of the ability to keep records, probably complete with video, to use the minute they get pissed off, dumped, or somebody younger comes along. Heck, people do crazy stuff over regular break ups. What do you think a person would do when the gravy train comes to an end and exposing the other one is suddenly the more lucrative option? I don't feel a bit bad for the guy heading for jail. He absolutely deserves it.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 6:15:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Who gives a fuck? I realize it is hard for you to get the big picture when you start with such a small screen. LOL.....wow...I feel so small now.

Greta75 -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 6:49:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets [image]http://media.santabanta.com/joke/visuals/10933.jpg[/image] When I look at that picture, I see two people inlove kissing each other and enjoying each other intimately. I can't believe such a derogatory tagline was placed on it. Unreal! A woman can't enjoy a man's hands on her breast without being labelled as a slut?

crumpets -> RE: I find it amazing what some people pay to satisfy their sexual needs (11/23/2015 7:46:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie And so....I ask....who gives a fuck? Thank you. We're all edified by your unique point of view.

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