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Greta75 -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 8:53:20 AM)
quote: The only guys who jog shirtless in public are of the same character as the women who show their panties all the time. In my country, the humidity is so bad, a man wearing a shirt and working out, outdoors can become like he just step out of a shower. Many take off their shirts and squeeze it to squeeze out the sweat, and you'd see as IF it was soaked in water or something the amount of sweat you can squeeze out of it. And what happens is in a wet t-shirt, you get chill and uncomfortable. They would take it off to continue jogging for more comfort! And you know what! Thanks to them being men, they CAN do that to keep cool or comfortable, without being arrested by the law for indecent exposure.

ManOeuvre -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 9:53:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 There are NO counter arguments. The solution is for inept and maladroit men to realise that what they do is NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE in the western world. I disagree with the notion that there are no counter arguments. Even when discussing geography with flat earth society members, or evolution with the religious, there are counter arguments, they're probably just not arguments you agree with, and you may have very reasonable reasons to try and reason your opponent out of his arguments. I think that advancing arguments about women's hemlines, men's eyeballs and the connections between biology and society, expectations and choice is a tedious undertaking, especially if different participants can't even agree on what gender is. On that topic I looked at your profile and noticed a comment on gender that is commendably original and candid. I'm thrilled to see the conversation come round towards solutions. Inept and maladroit men certainly do need to realize some concepts, and I agree that is a fine goal. How do you propose to accomplish this? I argue that using the term creep doesn't get nearly as close to that goal and people think it does. I'm not against creep-shaming, nor am I against fat-shaming, but I can't help but notice that only in a tiny minority of cases does such shaming cure people of their ineptitude, maladroitesse or excess weight.

crumpets -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 10:04:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I give you a completely different hypothesis I'm game for a good hypothesis because it's astoundingly confusing why women merely visiting New Orleans, on almost any Friday and Saturday evening on the main drag would bare their breasts, consistently, and in great numbers, simply (and confusingly) for the benefit of a $0.25 set of beads. [image]http://mytexaslife.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/4/7/24475395/8429541_orig.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze coming from living in Germany for a long time where carnival (Fasching) is a real event and even shops and offices will be closed, people do dress up in fancy costumes, I've been to Germany a dozen times, or so, but only once was during Oktoberfest in Munchen, where, yes, indeed. I have never seen tits so well displayed as they are in those square-cut push-up frilly dresses. It helps that I'm shorter than most Germans (early maturation and all that the Germans aren't), so, for some of these behemoth women, my face is at cleavage level. I still remember this one girl, in a yellow costume, at the hotel counter ... ... ... (pleasant thoughts abound). [image]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5b/30/ab/5b30ab2ac477c65f7b05557e4f50c94b.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze it's a bit like Halloween only not focused just on the scary aspect, it's the time before lent starts and where people can drink, gorge themselves on special donuts and just have a party before a more sombre time is there, culturally the big feast before a time when food was scarce and you waited for spring and the first fresh food... Notice what you implied! Remember my premise. My premise is that people are who they really are, during these opportunities to celebrate. So, think about what you implied. You implied that Lent is coming up. That means, in a way, that people have to be DIFFERENT (during Lent) than what they would normally be. So, this "celebration" is the last chance for people to be who they actually are! Very insightful! Thank you for this insight, and, it makes sense that Mardi Gras, for example, is similar in concept to the festival you speak of (although I have been to New Orleans at conventions in the summer and the women still show their tits for a 25-cent cheap bead necklace. (NOTE: One could conclude, rashly, that they're not only whores, but extremely cheap whores (at an exchange rate of 8 bared tits to the dollar).) [image]http://www.joncouture.com/DerbBoob.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze You see a lot of princesses, you see cowboys, you see Indians, you see sheiks, gangsters, oriental princesses, comic strip characters, nurses, guys dressed as women, people dressing as aliens, Star Trek, Star Wars characters, you name it, it's a bit of a free for all thing. Thank you for mentioning this, as I have never seen this in Germany, but I was mostly in the major cities (Munchen, Hamburg, Berlin, Dusseldorf, etc.) and I was never there on Martinstag, as far as I recall (although Oktoberfest is somewhere around the same time frame). (As an aside, I counted 13 jugs + 2 of her own, that the maiden who carried away my huge glass beer mug had in her hands!) [image]http://www.germany.info/contentblob/2511076/Galeriebild_gross/605162/Weckmann_dpa.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze The thing I noticed is that people used to dress completely different from how they dressed usually, it tended to be 180 degree change of their normal attire, the homely girls tended to dress up as fairy tale princesses, a lot of the guys (especially the boring ones) all of a sudden tried to be dashing pirates (more Erol Flinn than Jack Sparrow) or outlaws like Billy the Kid, the boys and girls from the accounting department all of a sudden looked like they should be in the Sex Pistols, people who were usually well behaved and quiet like church mice dressed up like monsters, you get my drift... Oh, I do. I do. I really do. But it's not the drift you likely meant me to get. Do you see what you wrote? Read it. Read it again. What do you see in what you wrote? Do you see any wishful thinking? Any projection? It's not even subliminal. It's obvious. It's blatant. My hypothesis is that they dress like they are, but what you're clarifying is that they dress as they want to be. It's a nice twist of finesse, which I'll accept as fully fitting into the hypothesis. BTW, intelligent men may have little problem with understanding my hypothesis; but even intelligent women are so used to deluding themselves about how slutty they really are, that they'll never get my point, not in the least. This supreme self-delusion by most women as to how whorish they really are is perhaps one of the fundamental mismatches of the sexes, which, that nicely done (but all-too-simplistic) French video tried to highlight, but only from the woman's perspective. [image]http://www.theblogmocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/mardi-gras-boobs-and-beads.jpg[/image]

crumpets -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 10:41:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze It was basically the time where you could be who you usually weren't, because you didn't dare or because you just wanted to slip into that role for a day, sure some girls who didn't wear much usually also didn't wear much then, but you could see the very uptight housewife all of a sudden being dressed up like a courtesan (Madame Pompadour was quite popular), some snotty church lady would be flashing a basque and suspenders. Everything you say fits nicely into my still-forming theory that women (and men, but this thread is about women) doing something that is extremely natural to them, but which has absolutely huge ramifications later, because men naturally do something else in response. You see, you can NOT take what women do on one day and completely erase that from men's minds for the other 364.25 days of the year! quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze It was all OK, because of CARNEVAL, where things got turned upside down, total role reversal, freedom of expression, trying out something you usually wouldn't do... Ah. The fundamental mismatch of the sexes arises! You think we men oh-so-conveniently *forget* that a woman was dressed and acted like a whorish slut on Carneval? Once a slut, always a slut. All 365.25 days of the year. Women practice self delusion as much as men do, but, on this one situation, women reign supreme in unconsciously deluding themselves of the responsibility for how men perceive them the other 364.25 days of the year. I ask women the same thing they ask of me, which is to take responsibility for your actions. If I only rape one day a year, at Carneval perhaps, am I not still a rapist the other 364.25 days? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze A bit like a good old BDSM role play only more socially acceptable and for the general public. Nope. Doesn't hold water. If I am a crass jerk only in the dungeon, I am still a crass jerk outside of the dungeon. Women: Take responsibility for your actions. You'd ask no less of me. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Or let me try this, you might know me well enough to know that I wouldn't take advantage of anybody, especially not anybody working for me, and I don't think you're the kind of guy who lets people get away with walking all over him, that's an important premiss. OK, we got that cleared up. Well, *youcould likely walk all over me. As could a select few such as perhaps DreamLady, and probably Ullrishtar; but, the gaggle of idiots here clearly without the well-above-average mental acumen of the three of you might try to manhandle me, but, I'd only feel sorry for them because they obviously compare badly to a bag of rocks when it comes to dissemination of valuable insight. However, I easily defer to the superior intellect of the three of you, so, anyone (such as you) who is far smarter than I am, can probably walk all over me, and that's OK with me as I have a personality that respectfully defers to superior intelligence (just as it disdains ignorance). How I defer to superior intellect is sort of how you (women in general) might defer to an intellectually superior Dom/sub, yet, you'd have little to no respect for the average clueless cock-foisting wannabe. quote:* ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Now imagine we're somehow romantically involved, you're working away on your computer, I walk in with a business costume with a twist, the skirt is a bit too short, the slit is a bit too high, I"m flashing a lot of stocking top and leg, my buttons are a bit too undone and the shirt is a bit too transparent. I claim that I found some dirt on you, like that you were watching one of the secretaries changing in the ladies bathroom, I could get you fired if you don't do exactly what I want you to do NOW <wink wink, nudge nudge> Damn. Now I have to clean myself up! And that was just from the thought of what you outlined ... (please send pictures! ... my address is .... (~~redacted~~)! I have never said we men are complicated. I, for one, am as simple as your pet dog, bless his heart and soul. If you did what you said above, you would easily have full and complete and total control over me, as long as I thought you were being serious and that you weren't out for some ulterior purpose (like trying to own my lap pool as your very own back yard). quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze It wouldn't make me a slut and a predator, it wouldn't make you a weak and helpless guy who spies on secretaries in the bathroom and got caught, it would just be fun, pretend... That's how a lot of people feel about fancy dress stuff, the adult version of dressing up and pretending... Well, let's think about this a bit. I already said that I am as simple as your pet dogs. I'm probably more complex than your sheep, but not much more complex than that. If we assume most men are similar to me, then, most women would have figured this out, and, guess what? Most women would realize that changing something as simple as their wardrobe would have a HUGE CORRESPONDING EFFECT on GUYS! I think women delude themselves that they don't make use of this premise on all 356.25 days of the year. In fact, I think women take SUPER ADVANTAGE of this premise on certain days of the year, e.g., Mardi Gras, Halloween, etc. Women aren't stupid. And men are as simple as dogs. Put it together, and women dress like whorish sluts because it works. It's soooooooo simple a forumula. Of course, women conveniently forget that they used their sex to get what they wanted, and then, they want men to entirely forget this happened on the other 364.25 days of the year (which, sorry but - it 'ain't gonna happen). Men happen to have very good memories. For example, I can still remember that black two-piece bathing suit of yours, and those blue-and-white striped cotton shorts - and I haven't seen your photos since the stalking thread. Damn you! Now I have to think about that for the next 364.25 days, until it slowly ebbs away from my memory! :)

crumpets -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:15:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze That is because you are a man, Let's be frank here. My perspective is that of a man's perspective. This is not a sock profile (those who have met me in the flesh know who I am). Since my premise is that men are as simple as dogs for women to understand, we don't need to try all that hard to understand my perspective. What's difficult is to understand the FEMALE PERSPECTIVE. However, what complicates that understanding is that I doubt a single woman here actually realizes what she is doing, on the 365.25 days of the year. I think self delusion is rampant among women with regard to how they dress and what impact that has on how men think about them for 365.25 days of the year. I doubt many men have this self delusion with their dress (although we men self delude in spades in many other ways). Since my premise is that women (in general) are deluding themselves blind, it's very hard to figure them out, because what women (in general) say and what they do doesn't match up with what they complain about (because what they complain about is exactly what you'd expect from what they do, but not from what they say). [image]http://www.funnfun.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/women-vs-men-funny-joke-600x329.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze seriously, as a woman you hear that often even if you don't dress revealing, you know the middle aged house wife who gets raped while coming home from shopping, she reports a rape and she gets asked how she dressed, some people might even question if her skirt was too short and if she showed some leg. Yup. I fully and completely understand. There is a biological double standard. In fact, this biological double standard has recently been applied, properly, to women, e.g., how many times in the news do we now hear of female teachers going to jail for having sexual relations with 17 year old boys? That is something that is now applied to women, but which used to only apply to men. Then again, Nathanial Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter is something that used to only be applied to women, but, is now being applied to men. So, the balance of the sexes is very slowly approaching a more even keel - however - and this is big. Really big. Really really big. It's fundamental to the problem listed in this thread. Women STILL dress like whorish sluts on some days of the year (and men still don't forget easily). Women would like their once-in-a-while slutty approach to NOT impact men on the other 364.25 days of the year; but that's just wishful thinking. Men don't easily forget a slut. And, since all women tend to act like whorish sluts at some point or other, the extension to all women is easy to make. Remember, we men are as simple as dogs. We remember what you do. And we act accordingly. Just like you want us to (even though, in your (plural your) self delusion, you say something else, but it's not what you say that sticks in our minds - it's what you do. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Didn't you see one of the guys on this thread doing exactly that? Victim blaming, that women get assaulted due to the way they dress, when in fact dressing provocatively seems to turn rapists off, because maybe it displays some self-confidence and they are looking for victims.... OK. Here you have a fantastically valid viewpoint that I can not possibly disagree with. There are idiots on this thread whose viewpoint isn't even worth reading, let alone responding to. Bear in mind, you only see me responding, for the most part to two types of posts: 1. Lucid and valid posts (such as all of yours which are as well or better thought out than mine), and, 2. Pure unadulterated idiots (simply because they need to duck back where they belong or they'll ruin the thread by constantly dragging it down to their level). Very few people are in both of those categories. Most people fall into a third category: 3. They're not idiots, (they're normal) but they don't have much value to add (for an overall better understanding of the topic). That is, most people fit into that third category, where, they have no value in their insight (like how people think that what is colloquially termed warped brakes are caused by overheating rotors). Most people, as one poster here said ever so eloquently, "DON'T GIVE A FUCK" about the details. Therefore, they add no value to the conversation. As you noted, they are the vast majority of those participating in this conversation. None of them have the mental acuity that you have, which is the power to change an intelligent person's mind. In fact, in all the years I have been on CS, I have only conversed with, I think, a small handful of women here (maybe a half dozen overall) who have the mental dominance over me to have the power to change my mind. You have that. A few others have that also, but not many (e.g., FieryOpal, MistressHowl, etc. have that). But, you don't see me responding to the men who you are talking about (simply because I don't think they can teach me anything). You can teach me something; they can't. So, I have ignored them; but I do see your point that they have have-baked incorrect arguments and assumption (which is why I have ignored them). I'm sure the idiots here will exclaim that my premise is half baked - but - these are the same types that tell me that changing the octane rating "improved" the engine performance, even though they don't have the slightest clue what an octane rating indicates. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Edited to add: I think the guy dressing actually rather modestly and looking homey and not drop dead gorgeous was to drive a point home, because most of the women being assaulted are just normal women, not sexbombs, not dressed provocatively, women you wouldn't possibly turn around for if they pass you on the street, that was exactly the point, I'm sure the women can all see that... I fully and completely understood the poetic license taken by that well-done French video on role reversal. They couldn't cover everything, and, what they covered would most likely work on a lesser mind than mine. However well the acting (for example, the "bully" scene was phenomenally well done!), the movie ignores the fundamental flaw in all the arguments by the women. Remember, if I'm a leering jerk one day in a dungeon, I'm still a leering jerk the rest of the days outside the dungeon. If I'm a sadistic rapist one day of the year, I'm still a sadistic rapist the other 364.25 days of the year. If a group of female bulleys such as those depicted in the well-done movie treat me roughly because I raped one day, then I don't have the moral standing to argue that I wasn't raping anyone on the day that they roughed me up. I'd be accountable on all 365.25 days of the year for my actions on just one day of the year. You'd want nothing less from me. All I'm asking is for women to take responsibility for their actions on EVERY day of the year and to stop deluding themselves, and to look in the mirror for all 365.25 days when they wonder why men act the way they do towards them. Any women here not guilty of using her sexuality as a "tool" can recuse themselves of this responsibility. The rest have to own up to what they really do (and then see if that actually jives with what they seem to say). [image]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xWBhmuY-ep8/Tco0o9rCWNI/AAAAAAAAEOI/ZRRuNkLT5tI/s1600/women+talk+too+much.jpg[/image]

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:16:57 AM)
Those dresses are traditional Bavarian costumes called dirndls, focus TRADITIONAL, Munich is the capital of Bavaria, you WOULD see those costumes, especially for the Octoberfest when I always left Munich because of the damned drunk tourists. Carnival happens around February or March, last 2 days before Ash Wednesday, nowhere near the Octorbest, which actually starts in September. So a woman dressing once a year as a slut because it's a fancy dress event is a slut for the rest of the year or forever? So any man who ever is slightly inappropriate is a creep for the rest of the year or the rest of his life? Same logic... Now let's assume, I'll humour this hypothesis for a moment, that women always use sex to get what they want, so you are expecting me to believe that men are those delicate and helpless creatures who are powerless if a woman uses her sex? So we are secretly ruling the world, damned, why wasn't I told before. Btw please let me know what I want from you, because I'm plainly unaware, when I said that if we're in the same city I'd buy you a drink and I meant it, I seriously have no problem with picking up the tab, it's that damned thing about being emancipated... Edited as I used the wrong month for the Octoberfest

M38284 -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:29:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 $5 says carpecoma is a crumpets sock. @All FWIW, CarpeComa is not any of the usual socks. Carry on.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:37:10 AM)
quote: Any women here not guilty of using her sexuality as a "tool" can recuse themselves of this responsibility. The rest have to own up to what they really do (and then see if that actually jives with what they seem to say). According to you if we don't dress in a way that hides our shape, we are flaunting our sexuality and use it as a tool, for me a flirt is just that, you know, if a guy smiles at me, I usually smile back and then walk on, it doesn't mean I am asking him to follow me around, and most don't, all it means is, he gave me a smile, which is always nice, I gave him a smile back, which hopefully made his day a bit better, I consider that polite human interaction, like holding the door for the person behind me, asking somebody if I can help if they fell down or dropped their shopping. You know how often a guy will offer me a seat on a train, yet he won't offer the seat to the frumpy and stressed out mom with a kid and her shopping, or the lady who's in her 50's, that is what I consider rude and that also is sexism, no better than the leering and jeering, but please do make an argument how women are at fault for that too, because apparently we are at fault for everything else. I'm not using my sexuality as a tool to get a seat (I tend to have a reservation anyway but sometimes I gave up my seat for somebody who was older or seemed to be more in need to sit down), I don't even want a seat that is offered to me by a sexist asshole who thinks it's a courteous gesture that will impress me, I tend to wait until asshole stood up, then tap momsy or an elderly person on the shoulder and tell them that the nice gent just gave up the seat for them. A lot of what you might perceive as women offering their sexuality is men projecting, thinking if they do something stupid it will impress the woman. It usually doesn't work this way.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:40:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M38284 quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 $5 says carpecoma is a crumpets sock. @All FWIW, CarpeComa is not any of the usual socks. Carry on. It's official, I like you ;)

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:53:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets Let's be frank here. My perspective is that of a man's perspective. WRONG!! Don't presume to speak for the rest of us - because YOUR warped PoV certainly isn't ours! It's YOUR perspective and yours alone. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets Since my premise is that men are as simple as dogs for women to understand, we don't need to try all that hard to understand my perspective. Then your premise would be very wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets What's difficult is to understand the FEMALE PERSPECTIVE. They've all been telling you throughout this thread. Are you really so fucking dense that you cannot understand what everyone has been telling you? Haven't you grasped it yet?? Your perspective is just warped and wrong. Period. And I just summed up all of your contributions in this thread: I

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 11:53:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M38284 quote: ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2 $5 says carpecoma is a crumpets sock. @All FWIW, CarpeComa is not any of the usual socks. Carry on. I thought he was "unusual" and "special"

crumpets -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:05:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP So what you're saying is that you haven't matured at all since late adolescence. And you think that's something to be proud of. I apologize in advance for replying that, if that's all you inferred out of what I implied, then you are a bona fide idiot. Whether you show any mental capacity to understand basic words will be tested in your next statements, which I will take, one by one, as I normally do with all such conversations. SUBSEQUENT EDIT: The rest of what you said showed that you are not an idiot, so, I'll just ignore the statement you made above about 30 years of thinking about a problem indicating that I haven't learned anything in the interim. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Have you maintained the same attitudes towards everything else in life for the last 30 years? I study many things. Every day I run experiments. I travel paths nobody else takes. And I learn from that effort. Today I cut a trail to a new mountaintop, where I found yet another cave, that nobody within miles knows about (I have sent pictures of caves to some of the participants here, as I love exploring caves and mine shafts!). I don't take the same path twice. Certainly I don't go back the same way I came. I take the path less traveled by, and that is what makes the difference for me. If it says KEEP OUT, I'm in. I have (almost) no regard for authority. I don't follow the rules (and, whenever I hear women complaining that men don't satisfy them so thoroughly that they're not sated for a week, I wonder about both women and men). So, maybe I'm not a normal guy? As such, my opinion on women has been a focus of my studies ever since I was confused by my first sexual escapades where "girls" (I was a mere boy at the time), turned out to love sex, even though they said "no" a thousand times to my attempts. I couldn't (at the time) understand their inability to communicate correctly. Maybe it was the Aspergers in me, which expects that if you say no, you mean no. But, clearly these girls (not many, but more than one) in my junior high and high school days said no but meant yes. In fact, one even said that I took forever to keep trying, despite her many attempts to tell me no. So, ever since I realized that what women say is not what women do, I have been trying to figure them out. You probably don't understand what I'm saying, since men, in general, don't delude themselves as much as women do, particularly about them being hound dogs and women being, for the most part, whores who use their sex daily to get "something" (men aren't off the hook because they use their "assets" to get the same somethings and men lie to women as much as women lie to themselves). Actually, I just realized something ... so I appreciate that you made me think about it. Men lie constantly to women (e.g., about being married or cheating) and men lie to men too; but, women lie to themselves constantly (as can be clearly seen in the entire premise of this thread). So, women are actually receiving MORE LIES than we men are, since women don't, in general, consciously lie to us (we can easily see the truth because it's apparent in their actions). Men lie to women; women lie to themselves. SO, maybe that's why the what women SAY here doesn't jive in the least with what they actually DO? quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Or do you have a more nuanced understanding of politics, religion, economics? Bear in mind I have an Economics degree in addition to multiple other degrees (Microbiology, Electrical Engineering, etc.). And, people like DreamLady and Lady Constanze know that I am very interested in, for example, other fields, such as Geology (with dozens of books lying at my feet, as they have themselves seen). Bear in mind that I was brought up a strict Roman Catholic, yet, I have broken away (against all odds?) and therefore, if you couple my extensive knowledge of history, I realize the truth in what religion exists, and why it will always exist. Couple that to my knowledge of politics, where, for example, we clearly realize that what Putin SAYS (e.g., he's fighting Daesh) is not at all in any correspondence with what he DOES (e.g., he bombs Turkmen daily and he's inexorably bringing in such forces as to take over swiftly when/if the Syrian leadership finally falters precipitously). To summarize, personally, I'm probably about 1/10th of the way along the Dunning-Kruger curve on all those topics, which is to say that I know enough now to know that I don't know enough yet about them to completely understand them. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP You were probably trans and homo phobic 30 years ago, are you still? Hell, you were probably somewhat racist back then, are you proud of still maintaining those attitudes? I was never racist, but you are completely correct that I knew all the "bad words" as a fifth grader, none of which did I really understand (except that they were bad things to be, such as "queer", "faggot", "sissy", "girly", "asshole", "douche bag", "stick stuck up his ass", etc.). Heck, we still thought girls peed from their assholes back then (which show how little we knew, even though I have PLENTY of sisters, probably more than most have people in their entire immediate family). Guess what? ALL my sisters are ardent feminists! Yup. They have no clue that they, themselves, don't do what they say, yet they expect us to conveniently forget the little details that men never forget. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Back then you probably thought Kraft macaroni and cheese was a great dinner, do you still? Hmmmm... I'm Italian. 100% Sicilian in fact. Just barely second generation. My grandmother, bless her soul, didn't even speak English, and she used to go out in the back yard (my family always had many acres of land, even back east) and pick dandelion greens and other "weeds" to put in the pasta sauce. I never ate pizza or pastries that wasn't baked at home, and yes, the oven was brick with flames. I ate home cooked meals until I was in high school. For example, pasta was almost always made from three ingredients, olive oil, eggs, and flour. Nothing else (not even water). And always cooked al dente. Sauce took hours and filled the kitchen with the smells of basil, parsley, and onions. Meatballs were heaven on earth. So, um, no. There is no way I ate macaroni and cheese. I don't even know why that stuff exists. Kraft macaroni is the work of the devil. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP If not, then why is it solely your attitudes towards women that are this simplistic? Or is it that if you grew up emotionally, then you would lose your kinks? There's a reason why this is the one part of your life that you insist on not changing. Figure it out. Heh heh. Let's take the example of octane ratings, shall we? How many people choose gas by its octane rating? It's pretty close to 100%, right? Now, how many people UNDERSTAND octane ratings? (Not Dunning-Kruger understanding mind you - but REAL understanding.) Would you say "I" understand octane ratings? (HINT: I challenge any chemists out there to find a single flaw in what I previously wrote, even down to the fact that it's humorous that it's even "called" an 'octane' rating, since the rating has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "octane", iso or otherwise.) Now, WHY do I understand both what an octane rating means, and what most people THINK an octane rating means? It's because I ask questions of myself. I ask questions of others. I formulate an opinion on my own. And I test that opinion, constantly. I do this over a periods of decades. Each time I find a superior opinion, I reformulate mine. What you have to understand is that I'm submissive at heart. I easily defer to superior intellect. I easy defect to superior arguments. I even fall prey, like any Aspergers geek, to superior looks (superior worship being my very weakness and my resulting strength at the very same time). So, I clarify and hone my ideas, hypotheses, and opinions whenever a superior idea is logically accepted by me. And, I incorporate those clarifications into my general theory of the way women work. If I wasn't horny, I wouldn't care about how women work, but I'm extremely horny (probably as horny as anyone you have ever met in your entire life). So, like it or not, there are only three types of women who are NOT interesting to me! 1. Too close 2. Too young 3. Too dangerous The rest are extremely interesting to me; hence, my lifelong ambition to figure them out. So, yes, I do have an "opinion". And I believe I've stated it, many times here. And, I do believe that others (like you) have helped me clarify that opinion. This is not to say that my opinion is fixed in stone. However, the logical fact arises that the further clarified my opinion is, the less anyone has the mental acuity to change my mind, because they themselves haven't come to the realization that I have come to for the topic at hand. Just as very few people here (perhaps none?) understand the ramifications of octane ratings as well as I do, I might assert that few women here even understand the ramifications of the fact that they dress like a slut at the office party but they then expect men to wholly forget about that on the other 364.25 days of the year. (NOTE: Do you think whomever that idiot was who discussed octane ratings with me will EVER understand the ramifications of the various octane ratings? The answer is obvious. Just as obvious that women will forever complain of men leering at them, until/unless they actually look at their own actions, all 365.25 days of the year - and realize that what they say bears absolutely no resemblance to what they do). The fact is... Men have very good memories (when it comes to female whorish behavior)... And women delude themselves constantly (where they don't even realize they don't do what they say they do). Put it together, and, I postulate, that's the fundamental reason for the OP's rant. A woman is the sum total of what she DOES on the 365.25 days of the year. The solution is obvious. In fact, the solution is just as obvious that it will never happen UNTIL women themselves realize what they do and what they say are not anywhere near in sync, and that men react only to what women do, not to what women say they do. If you know a bit of calculus, we men are great integrators! 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M38284 -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:11:29 PM)
@ExiledTyrant Sneaky! I like it... showing EXACTLY what it's like to be given unwanted attention. I still don't bend your way. That said, thank you. I may like you, too. In time. @LadyConstanze That. Precisely so. :)

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:16:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M38284 @ExiledTyrant Sneaky! I like it... showing EXACTLY what it's like to be given unwanted attention. I still don't bend your way. That said, thank you. I may like you, too. In time. @LadyConstanze That. Precisely so. :) I doubt it. I am far too happy being me to change my ways to please others. Though I am open to the possibility that I'll grow on you ;)

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:37:29 PM)
Crumpets, I haven't seen the books But seriously, you expect women to think every minute of every hour of every day of the year, their whole effing lives (or at least as long as they have sexual appeal to men) about how men (or some men) might perceive the way they dress? I thought we aren't living in the 1950's anymore. Don't you think it's a bit weird to inconvenience one half of the population during every waking hour of their lives? You know I worked pretty hard for my body, hours and hours of inline skating, swimming, walking with the dogs to have nicely toned legs and keep the dreaded cellulite away, I have a slow metabolism, so I'm actually quite pleased with how things turned out, the amount of sweat I leave in LA should take care of your damned drought and my ass is a peach, perfectly round. I'm not proud of my boobs, they just grew the way they are, but the rest of my body and my muscle tone is the result of hard work. You know sometimes I would like to wear that mini-skirt, because it would make me feel good if I catch sight of me in a shop window, I would like to strutt somewhere and just enjoy how the material clings to it, but I don't because how some men react, despite not being a slut, I'd be seen as one, even if I wouldn't be flashing my crotch. And you know what, you possibly would stare, you would enjoy the view but be polite about it, you don't get to see it because some guys haven't evolved enough, so doesn't that mean that some cave dwellers inconvenience us both?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:39:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant I doubt it. I am far too happy being me to change my ways to please others. Though I am open to the possibility that I'll grow on you ;) I never thought of you as a fungus [:-]

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:41:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant I doubt it. I am far too happy being me to change my ways to please others. Though I am open to the possibility that I'll grow on you ;) I never thought of you as a fungus [:-] I am totally a fun guy. Jus sayin

LadyConstanze -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 12:58:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant I doubt it. I am far too happy being me to change my ways to please others. Though I am open to the possibility that I'll grow on you ;) I never thought of you as a fungus [:-] I am totally a fun guy. Jus sayin If I say candida, please don't say "sweet" [:o]

crumpets -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 1:03:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Those dresses are traditional Bavarian costumes called dirndls, focus TRADITIONAL, Munich is the capital of Bavaria, you WOULD see those costumes, especially for the Octoberfest when I always left Munich because of the damned drunk tourists. Thank you for letting me know what they are called, because they certainly had a huge impact on my memory of Munich! Being Italian, I am not prone to being drunk so, Oktoberfest tents notwithstanding, I probably have been drunk two or maybe three times in my entire life, the first being the first drop of alcohol I ever drank, and the next two being related to frat parties and ethanol laced sweet tasting punch (why it took two of those events, I just realized, is my mistake). However, being male, I am prone to remembering those dresses, but I didn't realize they were "traditional" slut outfits, um, I mean traditional "costumes". I don't buy your argument, and I think you're deluding yourself by calling them "traditional costumes". Sure, they're traditional costumes, but what I think you're implying is that it's not the woman's fault she's baring her breasts almost in their entirety. It's not her fault at all. Ah. I see. It's the fault of tradition. Tradition, in fact, is FORCING her to bare her teats (and trust me, I still haven't forgotten that yellow dirndls the receptionist wore at the Munich hotel I stayed for a few days at many many years ago). Funny, it was a small hotel, very small in fact, and I had gotten to know her (she was the only one there most of the time) for days, but, I only remember that one day when she wore that yellow dirndls. Yup. We men have very strong memories. Once a slut, always a slut. Whether she's a "traditional" slut, or not. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Carnival happens around February or March, last 2 days before Ash Wednesday, nowhere near the Octorbest, which actually starts in September. I was comparing Oktoberfest to Halloween, but, I see I may have gotten the dates wrong. I certainly was at Oktoberfest, so, the dirndls are what I distinctly remember (because we men have a memory for sluts that you can't imagine). quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze So a woman dressing once a year as a slut because it's a fancy dress event is a slut for the rest of the year or forever? Um. Yeah. Duh. I can't be a liar one day, and not suspected of being a liar another day. I can't be a convicted felon one day and not be a convicted felon the next day. I can't be a lecherous leering creepy jerk one day, and not be suspected of being the same on another occasion. Would you leave your kids with a convicted felonious lecherous leering old man just because he "says" he's no longer that? Once a slut, always a slut. Women (in general) delude themselves, assuming that Halloween (or Mardi Gras) is a "special" day where they can be a "traditional slut" but only for a moment. Men happen to have extremely good memories when it comes to sluts. In fact, it's my premise that almost all women, at some point in their lives, sadly to say, are sluts (traditional or otherwise). So, what does that make them the rest of the time? Same thing. You either walk the talk, or you don't - but - we see the way you walk - and we have learned to discount your talk - simply because your talk almost never matches with your walk. The self delusion that most women incorporate into their very existence makes many of them incapable of realizing that how men react to them is almost completely a linear function of how they act (even if they're only acting that way for select days of the year) and has no bearing whatsoever on what they say because intelligent men can see through what women say isn't at all what they actually do. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze So any man who ever is slightly inappropriate is a creep for the rest of the year or the rest of his life? Same logic... Would you let a guy, whom you considered a creep on day 1, then babysit your beloved animals on day 2? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Now let's assume, I'll humour this hypothesis for a moment, that women always use sex to get what they want, so you are expecting me to believe that men are those delicate and helpless creatures who are powerless if a woman uses her sex? So we are secretly ruling the world, damned, why wasn't I told before. Heh heh... good point, which is a fair counter argument. What I'm saying is that women don't DO what they say they do. So, men don't BELIEVE them (because men see otherwise). What women do is complex because they don't even realize themselves that what they do isn't what they think (or say) they do. Take the example of the "Traditional Bavarian Slut". She's dressed like a slut would dress. Sure, it's traditional. But it's still a slut. More importantly, she's USING her teats, and, in fact, she's shoving them in our faces (which, in my case, standing next to a German girl, is literally in my face at eye level) purely for sexual reasons. That it's traditional sexual reasons makes absolutely no difference. (Should I treat black people in the USA like slaves just because of tradition?) Tradition is no excuse for being a whore. Halloween is no excuse for being a whore. Mardi Gras is no excuse for being a whore. Oktoberfest is no excuse for being a whore. Getting drunk at frat parties is no excuse for being a whore. Selling yourself or your website on Collarspace as a (Fin-anything) Domme is no excuse for being a whore. The once-a-year office party is no excuse for being a whore. It's funny, because a whore is a whore is a whore, but, what women (who think they're not whores) do is they make "excuses" for being a whore. I didn't draw those cartoons showing women, essentially, choosing between a slutty maid or a slutty cowgirl or a slutty whatever for her Halloween costume. The biggest mistakes women seem to make (men make mistakes too - but that's not my point here) is thinking that men don't REMEMBER the fact that she's only a "traditional whore" on one day of the year. Men happen to remember whores very well. We have really good memories for the visual whore. Really really really good memories. Once a whore, always a whore. Just like once a convicted sex offender, always a convicted sex offender. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Btw please let me know what I want from you, because I'm plainly unaware, when I said that if we're in the same city I'd buy you a drink and I meant it, I seriously have no problem with picking up the tab, it's that damned thing about being emancipated... Edited as I used the wrong month for the Octoberfest Ummmm... huh? I don't remember thinking that you want "anything" from me. Mostly I was speaking in wide generalities. So, most of my "you" is the plural "you" for all women (or most of them, anyway). So, I don't think you (the real one and only you) want anything from me. However, I have brought women to my home, and, well, I could tell in moments, that what they wanted wasn't me. It was my stuff. That makes them fake. And worse yet, that makes them whores. Who feels like pleasuring a whore? Not me. I pleasure like no other (and yes, I'm supremely confident to the point of being infinitely cocky about that and, yes, I'll back it up with anyone who lives locally who wants me to if and only if the chemistry is right - and - if I could betray trust - which I won't - I'd show you accolades backing that up). But, I don't bother to pleasure a whore. NOTE: I realized you might infer that I'm calling you a whore, which I am decidedly not. I'm just saying that I don't think you want ANYTHING from me related to what I own, which knocks you out of the whore category instantly. What I want from you is your intellectual intercourse; and I would hope that this is all you'd desire from me in return.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Don't be a creeper (12/2/2015 1:07:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant I doubt it. I am far too happy being me to change my ways to please others. Though I am open to the possibility that I'll grow on you ;) I never thought of you as a fungus [:-] I am totally a fun guy. Jus sayin If I say candida, please don't say "sweet" [:o] Why are you tossing all this punny shiit-aki my way?

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