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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/24/2015 8:54:13 AM   
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Its estimated that the refugees will cost Germany around 10 billion Euro between 2015-16 but some of the best economists in the world have predicted that after the initial spend Germany will see very little downward effect. Germany, just like many western nations suffers from a shrinking, ageing population. If Germany plays its cards right, the young immigrants will increase productivity and increased productivity will drive that economy upwards. For example, immigration increases demand for local services and when local services are increased, they are financed through more work and salaries. Young refugees who are able to legally work will more than pay their way and the positive effects for Germany will become substantial in the long run.



Or ... they'll put on their burqas, grab a few AK-47s and some pipes, nails, gun powder and such to make a few bombs, and cause a little destruction.

I'm all for erring on the side of caution. I hope all of the European countries step up and take as many "refugees" as possible so that there's none left to come here. That would suit me, just fine.

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Well if I were a refugee I wouldn't want to come to America. Less opportunities in such an unstable economy as well as all that fear and distrust.

Hasn't it occurred to some frightened Westerners that the people the refugees are fleeing are precisely the people who " put on their burqas, grab a few AK-47s and some pipes, nails, gun powder and such to make a few bombs, and cause a little destruction"? That is precisely the same people who have destroyed their lives and their homelands and caused them to flee in the first place???

While there are innumerable good reasons to despise IS and the like, the refugees fleeing their tyranny and brutality have far more reason to despise IS than we who live in the comfort and security of the West do. It's their lives, their countries and their religion that is being destroyed, not ours. They have far more to gain by IS's destruction than we do, just as they have far more to lose by IS's ongoing activities than we do.

Show some perspective people!




And now they have a double problem
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/harrowing-video-syrian-children-calling-7017657 Perhaps we need to reflect on scenes like this when we all sit enjoying our Xmas dinner tomorrow.

How can we turn back these people? As far as I'm concerned Angela Merkel deserves the noble peace prize.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/24/2015 9:35:13 AM   
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Justin Trudeau's first Christmas message as prime minister encourages Canadians to show a warm welcome to Syrian refugees arriving in the country for their first Canadian winter.

"After all, we share values of love, hope and compassion — it's what we do, and it's who we are," Trudeau said in the recorded video message.

Hundreds of refugees have arrived in Canada since late November. The federal government has pledged to bring in a total of 10,000 refugees by the end of the year, and 25,000 by the end of February.

Trudeau also paid tribute to members of the Canadian Armed Forces who cannot be with their families during the holidays, thanking them for their sacrifice.

Watch Trudeau's full message in the player above.

And here is the full text of a Christmas statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office on Wednesday:

"Around the world and across Canada, Christians gather on Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. This is a time when families, friends, and colleagues come together to celebrate the spirit of the season.

"Christmas is an opportunity for giving as well as receiving. Whether it is volunteering time at a local food bank, buying gifts for children in need, or opening doors to someone who may be celebrating alone, the true spirit of Christmas is about connecting with our neighbours and our community.

"This year, Canadians are welcoming thousands of Syrian refugees to our country — people who have been forced to flee their homeland due to war and conflict. I encourage all Canadians to show them a warm holiday welcome in keeping with our values of compassion, kindness, and generosity.

"From our family to yours, Sophie and I wish you all a most joyous holiday season and a merry Christmas

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-christmas-message-1.3378111

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/24/2015 10:31:58 AM   
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Or ... they'll put on their burqas, grab a few AK-47s and some pipes, nails, gun powder and such to make a few bombs, and cause a little destruction.

I'm all for erring on the side of caution. I hope all of the European countries step up and take as many "refugees" as possible so that there's none left to come here. That would suit me, just fine.


How typically catholic of you. Another christian who could not give a rats ass about his fellow man and says fuck you jesus at christmas time. I do hope you got all the trinkets you wanted for christmas.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/24/2015 10:41:21 AM   
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Because religion is a choice and a belief. So if one chooses to follow beliefs that is questionable whether they are good and peaceful beliefs or not. They should be prepared to be scrutinized and discriminated for their beliefs.

I bet any kids that go to school as an open KKK or Nazi will probably be targeted too, because they follow beliefs that are unacceptable by society.

All I can say is if white supremacist were being driven out of their home country, no Muslim country would take them as refugees. Hell, Muslim countries aren't even opening themselves to Muslim refugees. That's the weirdest part!

I gotta agree with Bernie on IF Qatar didn't spend their 200 billion on world cup. They could have saved all the Syrian refugees!

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/24/2015 10:57:35 AM   
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Because religion is a choice and a belief. So if one chooses to follow beliefs that is questionable whether they are good and peaceful beliefs or not. They should be prepared to be scrutinized and discriminated for their beliefs.

That seems to include anyone who is past the age of puberty who still has an imaginary friend.

I bet any kids that go to school as an open KKK or Nazi will probably be targeted too, because they follow beliefs that are unacceptable by society.

You have told us on more than one occasion of your belief in the nazi philosophy which you now say is unacceptable by society...why the turnaround? Why are you no longer a nazi????or is this just some more of your chin music?

All I can say is if white supremacist were being driven out of their home country, no Muslim country would take them as refugees.

Why wouldn't self described nazis like yourself not accept them?





Hell, Muslim countries aren't even opening themselves to Muslim refugees. That's the weirdest part!

You seem to open your mouth just to change feet.
Turkey,iraq,lebanon,united arab emirates,egypt,jordan,
How do you manaage to be so ignorant?



http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/world/welcome-syrian-refugees-countries/

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/26/2015 4:48:36 PM   
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How about you backing up your bullshit claims about no-go zones in Europe.



this might be relevant here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGflPYI2g_s&feature=youtu.be&t=215



I have edited my post, as the original reply wasnt aimed at you.

The demo in the video was one from 2009. It was a large group of a couple of thousand protesters, not all Muslim, breaking away from what was a fairly peaceful demo against the Israeli actions in Gaza. Around 30 police officers were backed off by a mob of two to three thousand. Hardly the police letting Muslims set up no go areas.

The so called no go areas where just a few Muslim yobs harrasing people in the Brick Lane area of London. The police stamped this out swiftly.

Arseholes like trump were even told by the Met Police that if they wanted a written reply sent to them, they could write and ask the question. To my knowledge Trump hasnt been arsed to follow up his lie, nor even set the record straight. he seems more interested in Hilary having a toilet break.


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/5/2016 12:36:19 AM   
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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/5/2016 2:03:50 AM   
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That seems to include anyone who is past the age of puberty who still has an imaginary friend.

When anybody supports an imaginary friend who preach instructions on how to beat a woman, I'm gonna judge that person as supporting battering of women. As simple as that! I don't understand one bit why any woman would by their own free will would be supportive of Islam at all as a woman, it's like them saying, it's okay for husbands to beat their wives as an disciplinary action.

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You have told us on more than one occasion of your belief in the nazi philosophy

I use the word Nazi replacement for a dictator. Just like Femi-Nazi (a woman with dictatorship ways), Nazi Moderators (rules a forum like a dictator), Nazi kitty cat, as I would call my own bossy cat who bosses me around! I agree with benevolent dictatorship as a more effective way of governance, IF the person on top is doing the right things for majority best interest and continuously show results of improvement of people's life, raise their standard of living and salary and increase jobs in the country.
So twisting it to me supporting German Nazi philosophy is misrepresenting. If I said I had a "Nazi Boss", it also means he was dictatorial and not democratic in his leadership, it doesn't mean he would want to kill jewish people or anything like that. So all I said, was our country leader was pretty Nazi-like, which means, he runs the place in a pretty dictatorial way, which he did.

Nazi besides the German Party Nazi, also means a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to control a specified activity, practice (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazi)

Do I support a person who seeks to control a specified activity or practice? Gee, I'm a submissive, that seem to refer to all dominants, and that's their role as dominant. It's never a democracy most of the time, in a D/S household. You choose your dictator base on if you approve of his beliefs. And I see it as in my country, we choose a dictator, every 5 years, we have elections and choose our next dictator. During the 5 years, whatever he says or do, happens, without opposition. Free range. After all, we can only judge whether his done a good job when he is able to actually do his job and pass everything he said he was going pass without opposition blocking him from doing so. I kinda like our system right now. And there is pressure like if they don't make the improvements, they get voted out, zero excuses, they would have had zero barriers to make anything happen that they said they were going to implement or improve.

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You seem to open your mouth just to change feet.
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How do you manaage to be so ignorant?


Good to see some of them taking refugees in and happy that they are!

And if the rest of the richer Muslim countries like Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain would take them in too, for example, Saudi is larger than Germany, and could definitely take in 1 million IF Germany can handle 1 million. Then Europe and US wouldn't even have to.

Which brings to another point. Why were the republicans given so much shit about them wanting to contribute to the funding of these refugees being housed in the middle east as an alternative to bringing them on home soil? If some middle east countries are already housing them, then it's acceptable housing for them, US just needs to help those countries support them over there.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/11/2016 8:00:34 AM   
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That seems to include anyone who is past the age of puberty who still has an imaginary friend.

When anybody supports an imaginary friend who preach instructions on how to beat a woman, I'm gonna judge that person as supporting battering of women. As simple as that!

Which would indicate just how simple minded you are



You have told us on more than one occasion of your belief in the nazi philosophy


I use the word Nazi replacement for a dictator. Just like Femi-Nazi (a woman with dictatorship ways), Nazi Moderators (rules a forum like a dictator), Nazi kitty cat, as I would call my own bossy cat who bosses me around! I agree with benevolent dictatorship as a more effective way of governance, IF the person on top is doing the right things for majority best interest and continuously show results of improvement of people's life, raise their standard of living and salary and increase jobs in the country.
So twisting it to me supporting German Nazi philosophy is misrepresenting. If I said I had a "Nazi Boss", it also means he was dictatorial and not democratic in his leadership, it doesn't mean he would want to kill jewish people or anything like that. So all I said, was our country leader was pretty Nazi-like, which means, he runs the place in a pretty dictatorial way, which he did.

Nazi besides the German Party Nazi, also means a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to control a specified activity, practice (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazi)


Your support for the nazi mentality is well documented and this is just a reiteration of your support for that idiocy.


Do I support a person who seeks to control a specified activity or practice? Gee, I'm a submissive, that seem to refer to all dominants, and that's their role as dominant. It's never a democracy most of the time, in a D/S household. You choose your dictator base on if you approve of his beliefs. And I see it as in my country, we choose a dictator, every 5 years, we have elections and choose our next dictator. During the 5 years, whatever he says or do, happens, without opposition. Free range. After all, we can only judge whether his done a good job when he is able to actually do his job and pass everything he said he was going pass without opposition blocking him from doing so. I kinda like our system right now. And there is pressure like if they don't make the improvements, they get voted out, zero excuses, they would have had zero barriers to make anything happen that they said they were going to implement or improve.

Is that why thirty percent of the third world shithole known as singapore lives below the poverty level while almost twenty percent are millionaires?



You seem to open your mouth just to change feet.
Turkey,iraq,lebanon,united arab emirates,egypt,jordan,
How do you manaage to be so ignorant?


Good to see some of them taking refugees in and happy that they are!


Why does this come as a surprise to you?

And if the rest of the richer Muslim countries like Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain would take them in too, for example, Saudi is larger than Germany, and could definitely take in 1 million IF Germany can handle 1 million. Then Europe and US wouldn't even have to.

Because we have a copper plated bitch standing in the harbor of new york city inviting them.


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/11/2016 11:03:35 AM   
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Edited to add: Are people still naive enough to believe our interest in Iraq, Libya and now Syria were to liberate its people?



So what stupid reason do you believe is why we invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria?

Gets the popcorn. This is going to be interesting. Go ahead. Say oil. I dare you.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/11/2016 12:05:32 PM   
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Donald Trump is a racist and reminds me of the old Hitler days. Targeting a religious group, talk of concentration camps? What the hell is happening to the country I thought was for Religious freedom and a nation built on immigration? I'm not surprised there are white trash racists in the world. I am amazed at how open and almost acceptable discrimination within the white trash community with their hero. They aren't even try to hide their hatred anymore.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/12/2016 6:33:00 AM   
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The man has some common sense ideas even if he may look and sounds like z buffoon!

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/20/2016 10:08:41 PM   
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Thuggee or tuggee (Hindi: Nepali ठग्गी ṭhagī; Urdu: ٹھگ‎; Sanskrit: sthaga; Sindhi: ٺوڳي، ٺڳ‎; Kannada: ಠಕ್ಕ thakka) refers to the acts of Thugs, an organised gang of professional robbers and murderers.

The Thugs travelled in groups across South Asia for six hundred years.[1] Although the Thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period. They were first mentioned in Ẓiyā-ud-Dīn Baranī's History of Fīrūz Shāh dated around 1356.[2] In the 1830s they were targeted for eradication by William Bentinck, Governor-General of India, and his chief captain William Henry Sleeman. The Thugs were seemingly destroyed by this effort.[1][3]

The Thugs would join travelers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle their victims by pulling a handkerchief or noose tight around their necks. They would then rob their victims of valuables and bury their bodies. This led them to also be called Phansigar (English: using a noose), a term more commonly used in southern India.[4] The term Thuggee is derived from the Hindi word ठग, or ṭhag, which means "deceiver". Related words are the verb thugna, "to deceive", from Sanskrit स्थग sthaga "cunning, sly, fraudulent", from स्थगति sthagati "he conceals".[5] This term for a particular kind of murder and robbery of travellers is popular in South Asia and particularly in India.


An interesting bit of history. Muslim thugs were reputed to have killed 2 million travelers over 500 years...

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/21/2016 10:00:02 AM   
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An interesting bit of history. Muslim thugs were reputed to have killed 2 million travelers over 500 years

No big deal. Two bombs did that in nano-seconds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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An interesting bit of history. Muslim thugs were reputed to have killed 2 million travelers over 500 years

No big deal. Two bombs did that in nano-seconds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


And this is why you shouldn't have union thugs as teachers.

We've previously noted you're not an english teach (effect vs affect).

Now we've established - you're not a history teacher either. Casualties for the two nuclear devices were between
129,000 to 246,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

246000 << 2,000,000.. let me know if you don't understand symbolic notation.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/21/2016 10:53:46 AM   
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one is an unsourced and vague 'reputation' by a nutsucker. now we simply need to get a sourced factual number of muslim resultant killings, and then we need to compare them to a sourced factual number of christians resultant killings, and we will figure out that the 2 million (since what? recorded history?) would not come very close to just the number of jews done in by christians in the WW2 timeframe alone.

The point of whatever the nutsucker point is being far afield from anything.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 1/24/2016 1:45:53 PM   
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Now we've established - you're not a history teacher either. Casualties for the two nuclear devices were between
129,000 to 246,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

246000 << 2,000,000.. let me know if you don't understand symbolic notation.
In nanoseconds vs. 500 years. Can't you deal with time comparisons? Nano is not your grandmother. Physics not your strong point? I guess not.

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An interesting bit of history. Muslim thugs were reputed to have killed 2 million travelers over 500 years

No big deal. Two bombs did that in nano-seconds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


And this is why you shouldn't have union thugs as teachers.

We've previously noted you're not an english teach (effect vs affect).

Now we've established - you're not a history teacher either. Casualties for the two nuclear devices were between
129,000 to 246,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

246000 << 2,000,000.. let me know if you don't understand symbolic notation.


and given that the general consensus at the time was that an invasion of the Japanese homeland would cost millions of lives, one wonders what the point of the comment was?

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and given that the general consensus at the time was that an invasion of the Japanese homeland would cost millions of lives, one wonders what the point of the comment was?
General consensus? How do you know? It was a highly secret operation. The allies could have alternatively formed a blockade around the Japanese islands. That would have had the same result. The purpose was to show that using the term "thugs" to describe the actions of killers over the course of 500 years loses any significance when compared to what the United States industrial war machine can do in a snip of time. Were we justified in using nuclear weapons on innocent civilians? The question remains open, I think. Do we really know the motives of the decision makers and advisors? I don't know.

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Thuggee or tuggee (Hindi: Nepali ठग्गी ṭhagī; Urdu: ٹھگ‎; Sanskrit: sthaga; Sindhi: ٺوڳي، ٺڳ‎; Kannada: ಠಕ್ಕ thakka) refers to the acts of Thugs, an organised gang of professional robbers and murderers.


Thuggees were apparently both Muslim and Hindu, Phydeaux. But what makes your observation so depressingly pisspoor is the fact that so many robbers and murderers, throughout the centuries, have been Christian.

Why is the fact of nasty person X's religion, being Muslim, of note to you; whereas nasty person Y's religion, being Christian, not?

I see this phenomenon time and time again, all over the media .... If we find out that a killer/rapist is a Muslim - that fact makes it to the news. 'Aha!', it's always implied. 'He was a Muslim! More proof, if any more were needed, of just what those Muslims can be like!' But if he was brought up a Christian ... well, what's that got to do with anything? There's almost never a mention of it in any given news article about any given bad guy - because, presumably, his being brought up a Christian has 'self-evidently' got fuck all to do with the fact that he was a nasty person - or so the journo, as well as his/her readers, will assume.

It's beyond brainlessly prejudiced, Phydeaux - it really is. You can understand, surely, why nobody who advances an argument that smacks of such a prejudice is going to be taken seriously?

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