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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:09:51 PM   
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If it's fear that they're extremists then it's unfounded...

Uh...9/11?


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...because the number of cases where refugees are terrorists are so small it almost doesn't exist.

You do see the problem with your conclusions here, right? (see bold)


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It's the 2nd generation immigrants that feel ostracized, likely because of sentiments like this, that produce terrorists.

Do you just invent what you think is the truth? It's the second generation immigrants that tend to be more assimilated than the first and are probably less likely to be radicalized.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:16:31 PM   
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So where is the information coming from that we're going to use to vet them with ?


You could try a search on Google and look for things ending in ".gov"?



That's the point, there isn't enough information on them to do a proper job of vetting.

Considering that the last attack (that one in CA) was done by an American & his wife who came into the US on a fiancee visa, I think they vet the refugees pretty thoroughly & multiple times in the 2+ years they wait in some refugee camp... How many terrorists that are/were in the US came in as refugees? seems to me that most (or all?) are either born in the USA or they came in on a tourist or other visa.. just how vetted were they? Its not refugees that make it to the US that you have to worry about, imo... The access to the US is not anywhere as easy as access to other European countries so the US can take its sweet time to do investigations on the refugees, but tourists, fiancees, not so much.. And even the last attack in Paris, it seems none of the attackers were refugees, they were either home grown or they came in on other visas..

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:28:59 PM   
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If it's fear that they're extremists then it's unfounded...

Uh...9/11?


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...because the number of cases where refugees are terrorists are so small it almost doesn't exist.

You do see the problem with your conclusions here, right? (see bold)


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It's the 2nd generation immigrants that feel ostracized, likely because of sentiments like this, that produce terrorists.

Do you just invent what you think is the truth? It's the second generation immigrants that tend to be more assimilated than the first and are probably less likely to be radicalized.


What is the price you and tkman are willing to accept? How many dead Americans? 100 a year? More?

How much blood to prove we are not afraid or bigots or whatever?


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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:39:54 PM   
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What is the price you and tkman are willing to accept? How many dead Americans? 100 a year? More?

How much blood to prove we are not afraid or bigots or whatever?


You'll have to ask him. I'm not interested in any American deaths because of terrorism.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:45:21 PM   
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If it's fear that they're extremists then it's unfounded...

Uh...9/11?


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...because the number of cases where refugees are terrorists are so small it almost doesn't exist.

You do see the problem with your conclusions here, right? (see bold)


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It's the 2nd generation immigrants that feel ostracized, likely because of sentiments like this, that produce terrorists.

Do you just invent what you think is the truth? It's the second generation immigrants that tend to be more assimilated than the first and are probably less likely to be radicalized.


What is the price you and tkman are willing to accept? How many dead Americans? 100 a year? More?

How much blood to prove we are not afraid or bigots or whatever?




Looking at the mass shootings this year, hell all the crazy gun death, it seems that it is much much higher than 100.


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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 12:57:29 PM   
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Yeah I wouldn't expect any real terrorists would exploit the situation


I agree - it's going to be a rarity. To indoctrinate a terrorist up to the required level; to train him/her in the use of weapons and other required military skills; then let him take all the risks of going through the whole refugee palaver .... Seems unlikely. It wouldn't be the way I'd want to use my 'assets' as a 'terrorist general', anyway. Much more likely, as well as easier, safer and cheaper: "radicalise" somebody who's already in the target country.



OOPs, I guess I forgot the sarcasm font. Wouldn't those terrorists who might exploit the situation already be radicalized ?

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:15:47 PM   
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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:27:40 PM   
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OOPs, I guess I forgot the sarcasm font. Wouldn't those terrorists who might exploit the situation already be radicalized ?


I knew you were being sarcastic. I just chose to ignore it. I'm familiar enough with your views by now. ;-)

I don't see what your question is aiming towards - I would have thought anyone who commits an Islamist terrorist act would previously have been radicalised. No?

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:30:20 PM   
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So where is the information coming from that we're going to use to vet them with ?


You could try a search on Google and look for things ending in ".gov"?



That's the point, there isn't enough information on them to do a proper job of vetting.

Considering that the last attack (that one in CA) was done by an American & his wife who came into the US on a fiancee visa, I think they vet the refugees pretty thoroughly & multiple times in the 2+ years they wait in some refugee camp... How many terrorists that are/were in the US came in as refugees? seems to me that most (or all?) are either born in the USA or they came in on a tourist or other visa.. just how vetted were they? Its not refugees that make it to the US that you have to worry about, imo... The access to the US is not anywhere as easy as access to other European countries so the US can take its sweet time to do investigations on the refugees, but tourists, fiancees, not so much.. And even the last attack in Paris, it seems none of the attackers were refugees, they were either home grown or they came in on other visas..



I just think the more Muslem refugees we take in the more likely there are going to be problems, possibly even on a 09/11 scale or worse. I suspect those countries in Europe who are and have been taking in so many are going to see things escalate. I will say that I would have thought we would have seen more terror attacks by now so I hope that doesn't lull us into some sort of complacently. I could be wrong, my crystal ball fell off the table and shattered into a million pieces.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:34:12 PM   
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How much blood to prove we are not afraid or bigots or whatever?


Of course it would simplistic to assume that this is all about proving that the USA (or the UK, or any other host-country) is not bigoted. Aside from the altruistic humanitarian aim, there's the fact that if Syrians can't get refuge anywhere else, then they might well end up searching for welcome amongst the terrorist groups nearby. Also, we Westerners would look that bit colder and nastier for refusing them refuge, which Daesh can easily spin into anti-West propaganda of its own. On balance, I'd say the 'keep them all out!' position is the more dangerous to us in the West.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:35:39 PM   
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OOPs, I guess I forgot the sarcasm font. Wouldn't those terrorists who might exploit the situation already be radicalized ?


I knew you were being sarcastic. I just chose to ignore it. I'm familiar enough with your views by now. ;-)

I don't see what your question is aiming towards - I would have thought anyone who commits an Islamist terrorist act would previously have been radicalised. No?


No, er yes. Those guys who carried out the 09/11 attack came in with the intention of doing what they did. I'm saying that those who are already radicalized could easily exploit the situation by mingling in with the refugee crowd.


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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:39:04 PM   
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They might be, but not bright enough to pass the test.


Oh OK, I just need to know I can count on you to be right

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:40:49 PM   
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I'm saying that those who are already radicalized could easily exploit the situation by mingling in with the refugee crowd.


I know. But again - why risk mingling with that crowd? Refugees have to jump through all kinds of hoops even now, but that's likely to be even more the case with the ever-increasing suspicion of them. Moreover, there's every chance that other refugees won't take kindly to having them in their midst, should they suspect their intentions. As I said, if I were a 'terrorist General', I wouldn't want my carefully selected, trained and indoctrinated 'special forces' to take that sort of dodgy route.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:41:34 PM   
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But by now you have to know the 7 safeties on a 1911.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:55:28 PM   
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As I know I can not count on you to be right, or to be close or to be knowledgeable.

But by now you have to know the 7 safeties on a 1911.


You mean those design features

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:58:16 PM   
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He's beyond an idiot.

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:58:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
If it's fear that they're extremists then it's unfounded...

Uh...9/11?


quote:

...because the number of cases where refugees are terrorists are so small it almost doesn't exist.

You do see the problem with your conclusions here, right? (see bold)


quote:

It's the 2nd generation immigrants that feel ostracized, likely because of sentiments like this, that produce terrorists.

Do you just invent what you think is the truth? It's the second generation immigrants that tend to be more assimilated than the first and are probably less likely to be radicalized.


What is the price you and tkman are willing to accept? How many dead Americans? 100 a year? More?

How much blood to prove we are not afraid or bigots or whatever?




Looking at the mass shootings this year, hell all the crazy gun death, it seems that it is much much higher than 100.



So we should import more?


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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:59:38 PM   
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I'm saying that those who are already radicalized could easily exploit the situation by mingling in with the refugee crowd.


I know. But again - why risk mingling with that crowd? Refugees have to jump through all kinds of hoops even now, but that's likely to be even more the case with the ever-increasing suspicion of them. Moreover, there's every chance that other refugees won't take kindly to having them in their midst, should they suspect their intentions. As I said, if I were a 'terrorist General', I wouldn't want my carefully selected, trained and indoctrinated 'special forces' to take that sort of dodgy route.



With risks come rewards like blowing shit up They've done it before. What are the odds that they can't do it again ?

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 1:59:53 PM   
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I was sitting here thinking of the 10K refugees that Obama wants to bring to the US. I have a thought on this and wanted to get your input. Why not open up some closed military bases for the purpose of housing them. The necessary infrastructure is there (housing, food preparation and medical facility, etc) that would of course have to be restocked with beds, food, medical items, etc.



Fences, guard posts.....

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RE: Refugee Camps - 12/9/2015 2:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		nope, a design feature would be like glow in the dark sights, or an extended beaver tail, or extended clip . But I wouldn't expect you to be knowledgeable or correct about that.

Safeties are things that prevent the gun from firing unintended.


We've been over this repeatedly, you need to get this on your own.

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